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When the NFL owners approved the schedule expansion to 17 games, they also approved a new formula for determining which teams would be playing in the International Series games beginning next season.  All 4 teams from a specific division will play one of their "home" games in London, and the division in question will be from the conference that gets the 17th game at home - that way the affected teams will still get 8 home games in their home stadium.

 

In 2022, the conference will be the NFC.  Right now, it appears most likely that the division that will be tapped is the NFC East, as that division's teams have had the longest average wait since playing their most recent game overseas.

 

NFC East = PHI-2018 NYG-2017 WAS-2016 DAL-2014  (Average = 5.75 years)

NFC West = LAR-2019 SEA-2018 ARI-2017 SFF-2013 (Average = 5.25 years)

NFC North = CHI-2019 MIN-2017 DET-2015 (Average = 5.0 years)

NFC South = ATL-2021 CAR-2019 TBB-2019 NOS-2017 (Average = 3.0 years)

 

Their opponents are more than likely to come from the AFC, as those teams will play an extra road game, and will also more than likely be their "17th game" opponents so to not interfere with the current travel rotation schedule.  The 2022 "17th game" opponents for the NFC East is the AFC North.

 

If all of the above holds, the Bengals may be heading to London again next season.

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Tottenham is a more modern venue, true, but with a noticeably smaller capacity than Wembley.  And though Wembley is indeed more remote relative to city center, public transportation options are better developed.....   Sure, it could take an hour in a crush of people to get onto a train, but at least there's an underground station right there.  The closest underground stations to Tottenham are Seven Sisters (30 min walk) and Tottenham Hale (25 min walk).  Alternates are White Hart Lane Overground (5 min), and Northumberland Park National Rail (10 mins), plus a crush of bus queues.

 

Public Transport Options: https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/media/19336/area-overview-july-2019.pdf

 

So while the games are no longer at Wembley, I think I'll miss the place in spite of the distance and the tube wait times. 

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6 hours ago, AmishBengalFan said:

Tottenham is a more modern venue, true, but with a noticeably smaller capacity than Wembley.  And though Wembley is indeed more remote relative to city center, public transportation options are better developed.....   Sure, it could take an hour in a crush of people to get onto a train, but at least there's an underground station right there.  The closest underground stations to Tottenham are Seven Sisters (30 min walk) and Tottenham Hale (25 min walk).  Alternates are White Hart Lane Overground (5 min), and Northumberland Park National Rail (10 mins), plus a crush of bus queues.

 

Public Transport Options: https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/media/19336/area-overview-july-2019.pdf

 

So while the games are no longer at Wembley, I think I'll miss the place in spite of the distance and the tube wait times. 

Play the damn games in Wales..

I like it better down there..😎

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3 hours ago, claptonrocks said:

Play the damn games in Wales..

I like it better down there..😎

Watched Wales-Belgium in the World Cup qualifiers the other day. It was being played in Cardiff City Stadium, and was as energetic a game atmosphere as was possible. The Welsh got a much better than expected draw, and the place was thrilled. 

 

Cardiff is considered “almost England” by many Welsh, so the fervor was saying something. 

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2 hours ago, Le Tigre said:

Watched Wales-Belgium in the World Cup qualifiers the other day. It was being played in Cardiff City Stadium, and was as energetic a game atmosphere as was possible. The Welsh got a much better than expected draw, and the place was thrilled. 

 

Cardiff is considered “almost England” by many Welsh, so the fervor was saying something. 

Seems a huge advantage basically at home...

 

The Welsh love their snooker as well..

Play snooker long enough and 8 ball pockets seem like goalie nets!

 

Tks for sharing..

 

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Looks like 2022 will see two London games, one in Germany (there are three finalist cities - Frankfurt, Dusseldorf, Munich), and one in a feces-flinging Stadium Azteca in horrible, horrible Mexico City.

 

If the NFC East is indeed tapped as the host division, Dallas is almost certain to be the team exiled to Mexico. Assuming my speculation about the designated opponent is correct, they would host whichever AFC North team that matches them standings-wise, which would presumably be our division champ.

 

I would also speculate that the Stealers would go to Germany, for marketing purposes only.  Based on the current standings, I would guess:

 

UK: CIN at PHI, CLE at NYG

GE: PIT at WAS

MX: BAL at DAL

 

Linky: https://www.nfl.com/news/three-german-cities-in-discussions-to-stage-nfl-regular-season-games

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So, I'm updating my assumptions slightly here.

 

1: The Jags WILL play in London next year, which means that game will replace one of the AFCN at NFCE games from the International Series - likely whomever comes in 4th.

2: The Jags will play an NFCN team, and will technically be giving up a road game (due to rotation), but will get to dress the stadium as if they were the home team... oddly enough.

3: The Cowboys WILL play in Mexico, and will drag with them whomever matches them in the standings.

4: The Germany game will feature the Stealers (to help those mouthbreathers expand their bandwagon base), unless they get dragged to Azetca with the Cowboys, in which case it'll be the Bengals (due to our heritage) unless we come in last, in which case it'll be the Ratbirds.

 

With those assumptions made, and looking at the right-now standings for projected pairings, here's my current guess:

 

UK: BAL at PHI / JAX "at" DET 

DE: PIT at WFT 

MX: CIN at DAL (ugh)

 

Stays Home: CLE at NYG

 

 

If you wanna play what-if but agree with my assumptions, here's the flow:

 

1 - Put DAL in MX and pair them with whomever matches them from the AFCN in the current standings

 

2 - Put JAX in UK and pair them with an NFCN team the same way

 

3A - If PIT isnt assigned, put them in DE with their paired NFCE team

 

3B - If PIT is assigned, and if CIN isnt in 4th place, put CIN in DE with their NFCE team

 

3C - If PIT is assigned and CIN is 4th place, put BAL in DE with their NFCE team

 

4 - Put the highest remaining AFCN team in UK with their NFCE team

 

5 - Whomever is left from the AFCN/NFCE stays home.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, AmishBengalFan said:

So, I'm updating my assumptions slightly here.

 

1: The Jags WILL play in London next year, which means that game will replace one of the AFCN at NFCE games from the International Series - likely whomever comes in 4th.

2: The Jags will play an NFCN team, and will technically be giving up a road game (due to rotation), but will get to dress the stadium as if they were the home team... oddly enough.

3: The Cowboys WILL play in Mexico, and will drag with them whomever matches them in the standings.

4: The Germany game will feature the Stealers (to help those mouthbreathers expand their bandwagon base), unless they get dragged to Azetca with the Cowboys, in which case it'll be the Bengals (due to our heritage) unless we come in last, in which case it'll be the Ratbirds.

 

With those assumptions made, and looking at the right-now standings for projected pairings, here's my current guess:

 

UK: BAL at PHI / JAX "at" DET 

DE: PIT at WFT 

MX: CIN at DAL (ugh)

 

Stays Home: CLE at NYG

 

 

 

 

 

Fuck the Cowboys.in Mexico..

 

We have a team with the ultimate leader in JB that will tumble them next year..

Bank it..

 

He isnt close to peaking yet..

Scary thought for appoinents DCs..

 

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Yeah.  But I don't want to set foot in Azteca due to the feces.

 

Interestingly enough, if not for that walk-off FG to propel the Raidaaahs over the Cleveland Football Team, the pairings would've been all shuffled....

 

UK: CIN at PHI / JAX "at" DET 

DE: PIT at NYG

MX: CLE at DAL

 

Stays Home: BAL at WAS

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The NFL yesterday announced the expansion to Germany for four years:

- Munich (Allianz Arena) 2022, 2024-25

- Frankfurt (Deutsche Bank Park) 2023-25

 

Final 2021 Standings:

AFC-N: 1-CIN 2-PIT 3-CFT 4-BAL

NFC-E: 1-DAL 2-PHI 3-WLC 4-NYG

 

If the rationale shared earlier stands-up, the 2022 International Series games appear likely to be:
MX: CIN at DAL (Feces-filled Estadio Azteca, Mexico City)

DE: PIT at PHI (Allianz Arena, Munich)

UK: CFT at WLC / JAX "at" DET (Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, London)

Staying Home: BAL + NYG

 

 

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Note to the above, the NFL also announced an "International Home Marketing Areas Initiative" where 18 NFL teams have been selected to freely market their teams across 8 different countries.  Interestingly enough, horrible Mexico has HALF of those 18 teams pegged, including Dallas and Pittsburgh.  This means it is entirely possible that the Stealers would go to Azteca (dragging the Eagles there against their will), allowing us to play in Europe against the Cowboys.  If that were to happen, then by the "flowchart" previously speculated upon, we would go to Germany.

 

Australia: LAR

Brazil: MIA

Canada: MIN SEA

China: LAR

Germany: CAR KCC NEP TBB

Horrible Mexico: ARI DAL DEN HOU KCC LVR LAR PIT SFF

Spain: CHI MIA

UK: CHI JAX MIA MIN NYJ SFF

 

(Several of the 18 have multiple marketing areas tagged)

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On 10/24/2021 at 7:31 PM, AmishBengalFan said:

When the NFL owners approved the schedule expansion to 17 games, they also approved a new formula for determining which teams would be playing in the International Series games beginning next season.  All 4 teams from a specific division will play one of their "home" games in London, and the division in question will be from the conference that gets the 17th game at home - that way the affected teams will still get 8 home games in their home stadium.

 

In 2022, the conference will be the NFC.  Right now, it appears most likely that the division that will be tapped is the NFC East, as that division's teams have had the longest average wait since playing their most recent game overseas.

 

NFC East = PHI-2018 NYG-2017 WAS-2016 DAL-2014  (Average = 5.75 years)

NFC West = LAR-2019 SEA-2018 ARI-2017 SFF-2013 (Average = 5.25 years)

NFC North = CHI-2019 MIN-2017 DET-2015 (Average = 5.0 years)

NFC South = ATL-2021 CAR-2019 TBB-2019 NOS-2017 (Average = 3.0 years)

 

Their opponents are more than likely to come from the AFC, as those teams will play an extra road game, and will also more than likely be their "17th game" opponents so to not interfere with the current travel rotation schedule.  The 2022 "17th game" opponents for the NFC East is the AFC North.

 

If all of the above holds, the Bengals may be heading to London again next season.

the packers have never played overseas so shouldnt their division (NFC North) have more then 5 years average?   

 

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On 2/10/2022 at 7:41 PM, stryker57 said:

the packers have never played overseas so shouldnt their division (NFC North) have more then 5 years average?   

 

Of those who have gone, the average is 5.  Hard to add "infinity" into the equation and come up with a useful result.

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Looks like the NFC South is the designated division, not the East.  The Packers go to London, and they've added a third London game for the Jags.  Here are the announced teams this far:

 

UK: TBD at JAX / TBD at NOS* / TBD at GBP

DE: TBD at TBB*

MX: TBD at ARI

 

Linky: https://www.nfl.com/news/buccaneers-cardinals-jaguars-packers-and-saints-to-play-international-games-in-2

 

* We have away games scheduled against both NOS and TBB, but the AFC North is unlikely to be providing opponents for either game IMO.  The current schedule rotation scheme only guarantees one cross-conference visit every 8 years.  If an AFC team goes - which they likely should - it should be from the "17th game" division so not force fans of a team to have to wait 16 years to visit a specific opponent.  This year, the "17th" division for the NFC-S is the AFC-W.  NOS would play LVR, TBB would play KCC.

 

The Falcons have announced that they're playing the Saints in London but that's not yet confirmed by Park Avenue.

 

 

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My guess is:

 

UK: DET at JAX* / ATL at NOS+ / TEN at GBP+

DE: KCC at TBB

MX: NEP at ARI

 

* at Wembley

+ at Tottenham

 

I've simply assigned the "17th" opponent for all games except ATL-NOS, and have sent DET to UK to play JAX even tho DET would be the "home" team based on rotation.  This is due to my hunch that the league would have JAX burn one of their 9 road games, but would show up in London to a stadium decked out in teal anyway.  DET is the only NFC opponent on JAX's schedule who has 9 home games and is not paired due to rotation.  Seems to make sense, at least to me.

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1 hour ago, AmishBengalFan said:

so not force fans of a team to have to wait 16 years to visit a specific opponent.

 

I think making money is more important to the NFL than fairness to fans.  The Bengals are currently the hot ticket, but KC works well for that, too. 

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