Griever Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 22 minutes ago, membengal said: Pretty damn fine article from Morrison on Spain in The Athletic...will drop it here: Quinton Spain's value soaring a year after joining Bengals: 'He’s just about all the right stuff' – The Athletic Thanks for sharing this, great article. Ever since I saw Spain's interview (during training camp i believe), where he was like "I'm staying in Cincinnati, I don't care what it takes i'm coming back". Huge fan, both on and off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Confirmed: Mike "Who Dat?" White starting for the Jets. Might be interesting to see how long he lasts before Flacculence comes in. Assuming he passes COVID protocols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 8 hours ago, membengal said: Pretty damn fine article from Morrison on Spain in The Athletic...will drop it here: Quinton Spain's value soaring a year after joining Bengals: 'He’s just about all the right stuff' – The Athletic The Brown family is going to have to pay that man. Hope Mikey is over not paying guards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 15 hours ago, Sea Ray said: BTW, when did Chris Evans get hurt? He wasn't an inactive this past week yet I don't recall seeing him in the game either Hamstring, they said he's day to day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, UncleEarl said: The Brown family is going to have to pay that man. Hope Mikey is over not paying guards. You know that's not going to happpen, the Bengals will let him walk unless he takes a team friendly deal. Adeniji, Smith, or Johnson could be potentially replacements for Spainn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted October 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 He's here on a 1 million dollar contract this year and he's 31. He likes it here. I think there is room to find a deal that pays him well that fits within the Bengals' preferred structure for the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 I hate to say this but I think we are going to have a hard time keeping Bates Spain being the age he is will not demand anything that we can't do Reiff same thing I don't think we keep both Hill and Ogunjobi, I think Ogunjobi has been more impactful and I'd prefer to keep him over Hill but both have contributed. Tyler Shelvin better be ready next year. I think we end up tagging Bates though, after next season we will have to resign Williams and start looking at extending Joey Franchise, so Bates is going to be hard to keep unless some of these guys take some hometown deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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I_C_Deadpeople Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 28 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: I hate to say this but I think we are going to have a hard time keeping Bates Spain being the age he is will not demand anything that we can't do Reiff same thing I don't think we keep both Hill and Ogunjobi, I think Ogunjobi has been more impactful and I'd prefer to keep him over Hill but both have contributed. Tyler Shelvin better be ready next year. I think we end up tagging Bates though, after next season we will have to resign Williams and start looking at extending Joey Franchise, so Bates is going to be hard to keep unless some of these guys take some hometown deals. Bates is a critical piece for the so called culture change. He should have already been signed and he should be the top paid safety in the league. You cannot f*ck around with guys like that. Team leader, All pro, drafted yourself and part of the original change. Critical piece going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Just now, I_C_Deadpeople said: Bates is a critical piece for the so called culture change. He should have already been signed and he should be the top paid safety in the league. You cannot f*ck around with guys like that. Team leader, All pro, drafted yourself and part of the original change. Critical piece going forward. I don't disagree but we also have to manage money as Burrow's contract is going to be huge in the next year or two, and we have to resign Williams to protect him as well. Do we then let Spain and Ogunjobi walk? Reiff? If we resign Bates, we may have to let all three of those guys and maybe Hill too, move on and hope the draft picks we made this year and likely next year can fill those spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Just now, Jamie_B said: I don't disagree but we also have to manage money as Burrow's contract is going to be huge in the next year or two, and we have to resign Williams to protect him as well. Do we then let Spain and Ogunjobi walk? Reiff? If we resign Bates, we may have to let all three of those guys and maybe Hill too, move on and hope the draft picks we made this year and likely next year can fill those spots. No one has to walk! Or at least the most critical guys do not. The team has to modernize how they use the cap and the space. This team is ultra conservative on how they use the space while other teams are creative. in the end all teams spend the same amount of monies over time, it is a matter of when and how it is spent. We have several years before JB has to sign and the cap will be up significantly. By then Mixons deal is up, Waynes can be turfed, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Just now, I_C_Deadpeople said: No one has to walk! Or at least the most critical guys do not. The team has to modernize how they use the cap and the space. This team is ultra conservative on how they use the space while other teams are creative. in the end all teams spend the same amount of monies over time, it is a matter of when and how it is spent. We have several years before JB has to sign and the cap will be up significantly. By then Mixons deal is up, Waynes can be turfed, etc. Good luck with that, I do not see the team changing it's business model in any way. IIRC they extended Carson 2 years before his 5 year rookie contract was up. I would not be surprised if they do the same for Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 18 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Good luck with that, I do not see the team changing it's business model in any way. IIRC they extended Carson 2 years before his 5 year rookie contract was up. I would not be surprised if they do the same for Joe. How much will losing Waynes? Anything? I'm not into this sort of things but I would say be could be subtraction (Waynes) and that $$ added to the Jesse Bates pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, High School Harry said: How much will losing Waynes? Anything? I'm not into this sort of things but I would say be could be subtraction (Waynes) and that $$ added to the Jesse Bates pool. No idea how much is left on his contract, but I'd look at that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 35 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: No idea how much is left on his contract, but I'd look at that too. Waynes is due $11M next season. There would be $5M of dead cap space if they cut him. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/trae-waynes-16735/ It could help, but the Bengals would have to sign someone else or rely on a rookie at CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Just now, UncleEarl said: Waynes is due $11M next season. There would be $5M of dead cap space if they cut him. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/trae-waynes-16735/ It could help, but the Bengals would have to sign someone else or rely on a rookie at CB. I think you could extend Apple at a lower cost, and then draft his long term replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ray Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Jamie_B said: Good luck with that, I do not see the team changing it's business model in any way. IIRC they extended Carson 2 years before his 5 year rookie contract was up. I would not be surprised if they do the same for Joe. Exactly. That's what they'll do with Joe and it'll soften the cap hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Jamie_B said: I think you could extend Apple at a lower cost, and then draft his long term replacement. Apple will want starter money in that case, which will be way more than $1.2M. Awuzie is getting $7.5, so I would expect Apple would want at least $5M. So, if you cut Waynes you have $5M in dead cap space and are probably going to have to pay someone $5M. Cap wise it's a wash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungletiger Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, UncleEarl said: Apple will want starter money in that case, which will be way more than $1.2M. Awuzie is getting $7.5, so I would expect Apple would want at least $5M. So, if you cut Waynes you have $5M in dead cap space and are probably going to have to pay someone $5M. Cap wise it's a wash. I almost promise we will draft a CB high, good luck Apple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Just now, Jungletiger said: I almost promise we will draft a CB high, good luck Apple. I agree, but highly drafted CBs can often get off to a slow start in their careers. See Awuzie and Apple. Might be best to hope Waynes can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, UncleEarl said: Apple will want starter money in that case, which will be way more than $1.2M. Awuzie is getting $7.5, so I would expect Apple would want at least $5M. So, if you cut Waynes you have $5M in dead cap space and are probably going to have to pay someone $5M. Cap wise it's a wash. Apple has been with several teams before landing here. I'm not sure he could command as much as we think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 I doubt Waynes is on the team next year. They'll also likely need to replace Darius Phillips as he'll probably be looking for more playing time elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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