claptonrocks Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, Kingspoint said: Booth, Jr. Sorry I didn't respond to that in the earlier post. Calvin Booth is a long rangy CB thats injured.. The extent of his injury could drop him to 31.. Same with Davud Ojobo.. Same with 3tech supreme Devonte West and his multiple charges of domestic violence.. How much is the need despite flags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 1 hour ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: On another site i saw this: UT-Chattanooga OL Cole Strange had a private meeting and a workout with the Bengals. Cole Strange may never be a probowler but his play on 5he field has damn near every team interested in him.. Probably be a solid player imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingspoint Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 1 minute ago, claptonrocks said: Calvin Booth is a long rangy CB thats injured.. The extent of his injury could drop him to 31.. Same with Davud Ojobo.. Same with 3tech supreme Devonte West and his multiple charges of domestic violence.. How much is the need despite flags? Well, in reality, their best bet wouldn't be to trade up, but to trade down, get multiple picks and hope that one of them gets to be a very good Starter instead of hoping that the only one you picked will be. Don't go for the shooting gallery and instead get a couple of decent presents (though I did hit the grandslam with that shooting gallery once I got it, and I learned how to fix it when it would break). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingspoint Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 Some basic info compiled by PFF: CINCINNATI BENGALS Team Overview Director of Player Personnel Duke Tobin HC Zac Taylor OC Brian Callahan DC Lou Anarumo 2021 Record 10-7 Final Elo 7th Draft Capital Rank: 23rd Capital allocation percentage by position since 2018 QB 17% WR 19% TE 4% OT 12% OG 6% OC 8% CB 2% S 4% ED 9% DI 4% LB 11% RB 4% Draft picks since 2017 Year Player Career Grade Snaps per Season 2021 Ja'Marr Chase 85.3 1186 2020 Joe Burrow 90.5 1973 2019 Jonah Williams 74.6 1935 2018 Billy Price 52.4 2339 2017 John Ross 55.2 1321 Biggest needs 3 Biggest Needs Early Fit Late Fit IOL Tyler Linderbaum Luke Fortner CB Kyler Gordon Cordale Flott DT Travis Jones Curtis Brooks 2022 Draft selections Round 2022 Draft Selections (overall) 1 31 2 63 3 95 4 136 5 174 6 209 7 226, 252 Current starting lineup O Projection D Projection QB Joe Burrow DT B.J. Hill RB Joe Mixon DT D.J. Reader WR Ja'Marr Chase ED Trey Hendrickson WR Tee Higgins ED Sam Hubbard SWR Tyler Boyd LB Logan Wilson TE Hayden Hurst LB Germaine Pratt LT Jonah Williams CB Chidobe Awuzie LG Jackson Carman CB Eli Apple C Ted Karras Slot Mike Hilton RG Alex Cappa S Jessie Bates III RT La'el Collins S Vonn Bell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingspoint Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 That 2% Capital Allocation to CB's since 2018 has to change (got burned by the MIN FA signing). They could easily take two CB's with the first four picks. Definitely taking at least two CB's total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 Peter Kings Final Prediction (interesting) *** also to note, the other darlings of the board were gone 31. Cincinnati Bengals: Trey McBride, tight end, Colorado State Warning: The Bengals will have options to trade out of this pick, and they’re a more willing trade team on draft weekend than they used to be. This is a golden spot to trade up and get the fifth-year luxury that a late first-round pick would provide, particularly with a team seeing quarterbacks remaining on the board. (First-round picks are in team control pre-free-agency for five years; second-rounders, four years.) As for the tight end need, the Bengals are still in mourning after losing valuable starter C.J. Uzomah and his 965 snaps last year to the Jets in free agency. The Bengals did sign Hayden Hurst, but the former first-round Raven will be playing for his third team in four years; I doubt he’s the every-down tight end Cincinnati lost in Uzomah. McBride’s a versatile player with an excellent résumé at Colorado State as an inline blocker and a possession receiver. He caught a team-high 90 balls last year in a run-first offense. “McBride would be a classic Mike Brown pick,” one veteran GM told me. “He likes to use draft choices to fill holes.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 They will take a TE. They might take McBride. But NOT at 31. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 8 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: Going through TEs I find it hard to believe which one of these guys is known for being an uber athlete and which one is known for not being athletic. TE is supposed to be a position where only uber athletes make it. Their RAS scores don't match my eyes https://Stealersdepot.com/2022/04/2022-draft-tight-end-prospects-relative-athletic-scores-ras/ It would be interesting to see their combine/pro-day stats…AND to see them blocking (instead of just being a big WR). However, your point is very valid. Their RAS scores are SO different, and yet their highlight reels look very similar. Makes me think that we should be able to get a good TE in the mid-rounds of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Jason said: They will take a TE. They might take McBride. But NOT at 31. Yeah, if the other good options are gone, I’d expect to see a hard push for trading back. Just need a QB-needy team to trade with. [And if Detroit hasn’t yet secured a QB, I still think we could scare them into giving up a mid-round pick to move up one slot. And we could then trade back again from 32.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted April 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 10 hours ago, Kingspoint said: https://sports.yahoo.com/the-chart-that-guides-nfl-draft-trades-has-a-glaring-flaw-it-isnt-very-good-134240503.html This article explains deeply what those "trade charts" aren't very predictive anymore. Well, it doesn't exactly explain why they are not predictive, but more that the Johnson chart is as flawed today as it was when it was invented. Here's the most important part: The analytics community has consistently urged teams to accept the draft’s uncertainty and sacrifice quality picks for quantity. “It's proven that no team can consistently outperform the expectations of their draft slot,” says Brad Spielberger, a PFF analyst who co-wrote a book on the draft. “You want to have as many dart throws as possible.” Baltimore Ravens GM Eric DeCosta recently summarized the philosophy: “Teams should always trade back and acquire picks, and never trade up. You should always accumulate, because the draft is basically a luck-driven process,” he told former Atlanta Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff. “If you have 10 or 12 draft picks in any given year, even if you suck at drafting, you’re probably gonna hit on five or six picks.” NFL teams, however, often haven’t listened. Rich Hill, a writer at Pats Pulpit, analyzed five years of trades after the 2011 implementation of the rookie wage scale, and found they closely mirrored the original Cowboys chart. There are hints that behavior has begun to shift, slightly, slowly, but precedent still pulls GMs back to the 80s. The Chart, Spielberger says, “remains the controller of the marketplace.” So, when Zac Taylor says that he's not involved in trades, which is the job of Tobin and Mike Brown because of their "experience" factor, that "experience factor" is a major negative as far as producing results. It takes new minds to make the decisions regarding the trading of draft picks, except for Bill Belichick, of course, who is in a class by himself for understanding the true value of picks that nobody else understands who hasn't worked for him. (his trade earlier today was with a former employee). This argument was partially countered with what Bill Polian said this morning on Sirius NFL radio. He had stats that had 70% of active healthy players in the NFL were from rounds 1-3. And there are just as many from rounds 4-7 as there are UDFA. He said the Colts (and he said the Ravens as well) were very dedicated to the UDFA process. Essentially he was saying having more late round picks are not all that useful. That is why teams try and use those to move up in say round 3 or 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griever Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 Nice article here, concise breakdowns of a lot of possible picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 24 minutes ago, Griever said: Nice article here, concise breakdowns of a lot of possible picks Santangana and Goodberry are the two guys who I like when they talk players as they seem to really know what they are talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 Fryfogle was all Big10 a couple years ago. He's elusive but has bad hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 Here is where I am at TE: I am highest on the value of Kollar-Allen and falling for Wedermyer if he falls. Trey McBride-C State (3) All around 2x Team captain Greg Dulcich-UCLA (4) Pass catcher Charlie Kolar-Iowa St (5) McBride light, team captain Jeremy Ruckert-OSU (5) Raw but you can see the tools, probably taken before this Jelani Woods-Va (5) Raw but athletic Jalen Wedermeyer-Texas AnM (6) Tested poorly, production and my eyes tell me he is good Austin Allen-Nebraska (7) 6-7, still a bit raw as he focused on basketball a ton, team captain, great senior year Derrick Deese-S Jose St (7) Led team in receiving as a senior...seems out of shape almost, son of a former Guard, has some upside James Mitchell-Va Tech (7) Team captain. Tore ACL sr year Gerrit Prince-UAB (7) Undersized and overaged but 19.4 yards on 36 catches in 2021 I think everyone on the list could be an eventual starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted April 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 Well, I did a mock draft based on unusual or cool names and i even got a good grade lol. But I did miss out on Smoke Monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 14 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Calvin Booth is a long rangy CB thats injured.. The extent of his injury could drop him to 31.. Same with Davud Ojobo.. Same with 3tech supreme Devonte West and his multiple charges of domestic violence.. How much is the need despite flags? Injuries are one thing, multiple charges of domestic violence is another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: Well, I did a mock draft based on unusual or cool names and i even got a good grade lol. But I did miss out on Smoke Monday Aww man, we need to get Snoop for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 23 hours ago, membengal said: Love the OTA idea!! That's smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 1 minute ago, SF2 said: Aww man, we need to get Snoop for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted April 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 1 hour ago, SF2 said: Aww man, we need to get Snoop for sure. We need to land Smoke as well....it will forever be the "Snoop and Smoke Draft" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 2 hours ago, SF2 said: Injuries are one thing, multiple charges of domestic violence is another. Agree.. I think Tobin and co. have dropped him from their board.. You cant respect a player with that background nor should you.. He's not a fit here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 Where I landed with RBs. I want one in the late rounds every draft RB Abram Smith-Baylor (6) Played LB and great tape at RB. Would be immediate STeamer Zonovan Knight-NC St (7) Good size and kick returner Trestan Ebner-Baylor (7)Good size and kick returner and great pass catcher out of the backfield Rachaad White-Az St (6)-Probably goes much higher but a steady guy if he falls Tyler Badie-Missou (6)-Led team in pass catching last year. KR. 1600+ yards rushing last year Jerome Ford-Cincy (6)-I probably am just biased for the productive local guy Ty Chandler-NC (U)-Name keeps coming up, Can return kicks Isaih Pacheco-Rutgers (U) Feels like a guy who was on a bad team and might show in the pros Jashuan Corbin-FSU (U) Flashed as a KR both stops Master Teague-OSU (U) Local guy who got passed over at ton at OSU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted April 27, 2022 Report Share Posted April 27, 2022 4 hours ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: We need to land Smoke as well....it will forever be the "Snoop and Smoke Draft" Good one. A player named Wine would top it off.. "Snoop Smoke and Wine"....😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingspoint Posted April 27, 2022 Report Share Posted April 27, 2022 11 hours ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: This argument was partially countered with what Bill Polian said this morning on Sirius NFL radio. He had stats that had 70% of active healthy players in the NFL were from rounds 1-3. And there are just as many from rounds 4-7 as there are UDFA. He said the Colts (and he said the Ravens as well) were very dedicated to the UDFA process. Essentially he was saying having more late round picks are not all that useful. That is why teams try and use those to move up in say round 3 or 4. Then, there's that, which you just mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingspoint Posted April 27, 2022 Report Share Posted April 27, 2022 I'm not judging, and nobody should judge, a 2nd Rd Guard based upon his rookie season in a COVID-shortened training camp/OTA's/Rookie Camp, while being thrust next to bad options at Center making the line-calls and giving help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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