Shebengal Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/bengals-safety-ricardo-allen-retires-100821062.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 More $$ for Jesse. (or was Allen a free agent about to get the gate?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 35 minutes ago, High School Harry said: More $$ for Jesse. (or was Allen a free agent about to get the gate?) I think they liked Allen. He played a smart game from what I remembered and was reasonably priced. I would have had him back at his current salary of around $2M. Sounds like he has something lined up. Good for him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 I had Safety as a draft choice anyway, as we wont keep both Bates and Bell long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 18 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: I had Safety as a draft choice anyway, as we wont keep both Bates and Bell long term. scary thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, High School Harry said: scary thought Bell is no spring chicken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, UncleEarl said: Bell is no spring chicken. yep, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 seems he has a coaching gig lined up or thats his goal, seems on the offensive side as well. super excited to see guys be excited for those opportunities. Hope he is successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, UncleEarl said: Bell is no spring chicken. He's just 27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, membengal said: He's just 27. Yep. Not sure the Bengals should be signing him into his 30s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, UncleEarl said: Yep. Not sure the Bengals should be signing him into his 30s. id be game until he is 30, but again if a guy is there in the draft im happy with that as well. bell is a great fit for the superior talent around him right now, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 He would be a 'bubble' re-sign in my mind. 3rd contracts for a lot of players are risky - will run into the same for Mixon and Boyd down the road. For Bell, if we have no young guy ready, may not have much choice unless there is another FA out there worthy. But if they pay mucho dollars to Bates we may have to concede the second safety position is a smaller contract guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 20 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: He would be a 'bubble' re-sign in my mind. 3rd contracts for a lot of players are risky - will run into the same for Mixon and Boyd down the road. For Bell, if we have no young guy ready, may not have much choice unless there is another FA out there worthy. But if they pay mucho dollars to Bates we may have to concede the second safety position is a smaller contract guy. Go big on Bates.. Bell has 2yrs left... After that I see him released here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 10 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Go big on Bates.. Bell has 2yrs left... After that I see him released here.. Bell has one year left on his contract - 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeslumina Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 the whole is greater than the sum of all parts. Whatever it was with this team keep it together. I would sign bell, can’t replace the leadership. He proved it during super bowl run. I am done with all talent players just starting. experienced leadership to protect back end. these guys haven’t played together real long . Hopefully whoever they draft gets schooled from the vets before seeing the field. The players run the team, so they should be able to tell who can play or is fronting. I would draft late rounds maybe prove yourself on special teams. High rounds we need depth and up front lineman . I love to trade that late first round pick for another 2nd or 2 3rd picks. on draft I was around when we picked very high Mike traded up to take kijana carter, if I remember. With this team we need a couple offensive lineman free agents. Whatever they been doing last couple years just follow same game plan. I would love to get bruising full back that can catch lead block for this offense, like sf has. We run similar systems and need a fb that can pass protest cj on one leg in Super Bowl pass blocking Donald was a joke. Is there anyone like Lamar that would drop we could trade to get more picks? Lamar is pretty special was a steal late first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 19 hours ago, UncleEarl said: Yep. Not sure the Bengals should be signing him into his 30s. Rod Woodson retired at 37. All-Pro at 36. Brian Dawkins retired at 36. Two Pro Bowls final years. Just sayin’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF dan Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 30 minutes ago, Le Tigre said: Rod Woodson retired at 37. All-Pro at 36. Brian Dawkins retired at 36. Two Pro Bowls final years. Just sayin’ I'm with you I think Bell is an important piece of the puzzle and has plenty left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 46 minutes ago, Le Tigre said: Rod Woodson retired at 37. All-Pro at 36. Brian Dawkins retired at 36. Two Pro Bowls final years. Just sayin’ You're comparing Hall of Famers to Bell. Different eras, too. There is a reason Allen is retiring and don't think health isn't a part of it. Troy Polamalu retired at 33 and probably should have a few years earlier. I like Bell a lot, but he's never been a pro bowl player, and his game will most likely decline after 30. He's struggled in coverage in the past and guys over 30 don't get faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 I would not mind keeping Bell for a new contract if he is willing to take on a backup aging player role for a couple years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: I would not mind keeping Bell for a new contract if he is willing to take on a backup aging player role for a couple years Yeah, I'm not trying to run the guy off. I like Bell. I also think you have to plan for the future and counting on Bell to play at this level into his thirties is risky. After this season I think two years max for Bell. All depends upon how he plays and if he stays healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, UncleEarl said: Yeah, I'm not trying to run the guy off. I like Bell. I also think you have to plan for the future and counting on Bell to play at this level into his thirties is risky. After this season I think two years max for Bell. All depends upon how he plays and if he stays healthy. Same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 Again, he's 27. He will be 28 when his contract is up. Another 3-year contract would take him to...31. That's...not old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 6 hours ago, UncleEarl said: You're comparing Hall of Famers to Bell. Different eras, too. There is a reason Allen is retiring and don't think health isn't a part of it. Troy Polamalu retired at 33 and probably should have a few years earlier. I like Bell a lot, but he's never been a pro bowl player, and his game will most likely decline after 30. He's struggled in coverage in the past and guys over 30 don't get faster. Sorry, I wasn't trying to compare Bell to these guys. More of an illustration that age 30 isn't the Logan's Run Renewal Zone...guys can still play at a high level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 45 minutes ago, Le Tigre said: Sorry, I wasn't trying to compare Bell to these guys. More of an illustration that age 30 isn't the Logan's Run Renewal Zone...guys can still play at a high level. If Bell is still playing well and will accept short term deals I have no issues. Often guys want longer term and more money. We'll see how it plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 On 2/21/2022 at 3:00 PM, I_C_Deadpeople said: He would be a 'bubble' re-sign in my mind. 3rd contracts for a lot of players are risky - will run into the same for Mixon and Boyd down the road. For Bell, if we have no young guy ready, may not have much choice unless there is another FA out there worthy. But if they pay mucho dollars to Bates we may have to concede the second safety position is a smaller contract guy. its always a tough pill to swallow for guys to get a new contract and make less, they typically leave for someone willing to risk it, which typically goes bad. On 2/21/2022 at 3:23 PM, claptonrocks said: Go big on Bates.. Bell has 2yrs left... After that I see him released here.. 1 year On 2/22/2022 at 1:49 AM, I_C_Deadpeople said: Bell has one year left on his contract - 2022 yea this On 2/22/2022 at 4:07 AM, Mikeslumina said: the whole is greater than the sum of all parts. Whatever it was with this team keep it together. I would sign bell, can’t replace the leadership. He proved it during super bowl run. I am done with all talent players just starting. experienced leadership to protect back end. these guys haven’t played together real long . Hopefully whoever they draft gets schooled from the vets before seeing the field. The players run the team, so they should be able to tell who can play or is fronting. I would draft late rounds maybe prove yourself on special teams. High rounds we need depth and up front lineman . I love to trade that late first round pick for another 2nd or 2 3rd picks. on draft I was around when we picked very high Mike traded up to take kijana carter, if I remember. With this team we need a couple offensive lineman free agents. Whatever they been doing last couple years just follow same game plan. I would love to get bruising full back that can catch lead block for this offense, like sf has. We run similar systems and need a fb that can pass protest cj on one leg in Super Bowl pass blocking Donald was a joke. Is there anyone like Lamar that would drop we could trade to get more picks? Lamar is pretty special was a steal late first round. im sort of with you on the first line, keeping key parts is vital, but just as some guys improved this year, some guys will play worse next year, or be hurt, so going back with the same roster (give or take) isnt likely to yield the same results, always need to add younger better talent anytime possible even if you love the guy who is there. On 2/22/2022 at 5:59 AM, Le Tigre said: Rod Woodson retired at 37. All-Pro at 36. Brian Dawkins retired at 36. Two Pro Bowls final years. Just sayin’ damn the games were in 480i resolution when woodson retired, On 2/22/2022 at 6:45 AM, UncleEarl said: You're comparing Hall of Famers to Bell. Different eras, too. There is a reason Allen is retiring and don't think health isn't a part of it. Troy Polamalu retired at 33 and probably should have a few years earlier. I like Bell a lot, but he's never been a pro bowl player, and his game will most likely decline after 30. He's struggled in coverage in the past and guys over 30 don't get faster. and bell is at a level of "pretty good" at his peak age in the league, the downhill slope wont be awesome. he is more than able currently tho. On 2/22/2022 at 7:08 AM, Jamie_B said: I would not mind keeping Bell for a new contract if he is willing to take on a backup aging player role for a couple years i would say 0-3% chance of him wanting to stick around as a backup in his early 30s. egos, denial and such. On 2/22/2022 at 7:32 AM, UncleEarl said: Yeah, I'm not trying to run the guy off. I like Bell. I also think you have to plan for the future and counting on Bell to play at this level into his thirties is risky. After this season I think two years max for Bell. All depends upon how he plays and if he stays healthy. agreed On 2/22/2022 at 8:00 AM, membengal said: Again, he's 27. He will be 28 when his contract is up. Another 3-year contract would take him to...31. That's...not old. no but he also isnt that good, with the exception of Apple, bell is the least talented DB in the starting rotation, Bates, Awuzie, and Hilton id rank better skill wise than Bell, great unit, so not a knock on bell, but damn near any first 2 round S could likely step in and do the same job, but i agree having a vet has value. he just isnt good enough to be stretching his peak NFL years here in cincy, especially if we are giving bates a bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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