MULLY Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 If the sportscasters start sucking Mahomes' dick for this, fuck them. They won by a FG with 8 seconds left against a team with a decimated O line that couldn't give Burrow any time to do his thing. Had that O line protected him Joe would have torn them a new asshole. They barely got past the Bengals. The Bengals are definitely the superior team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schneiderbengal Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 hours ago, BlackJesus said: Fucking Kermit throwing his hands out immediately to get the flag ... Fake ass squeaky sounding bitch, hope his ankle gets an infection and his leg needs amputation. Everybody does it, including Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schneiderbengal Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 4 hours ago, T-Dub said: giving KC a 5th down killed us No it didn't. Got the ball back, no blood. Just 20 yards farther back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ@w Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 4 hours ago, BlackJesus said: And then Twatter hid the trend. Go read some of the comments if you don’t believe me. But hey, Elon is all about Free Speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ@w Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 4 hours ago, Jungletiger said: Lets be honest, nothing will change even if there is rigging. Too much money and the anger is fleeting because the rigging would be rare and too subtle. They being said, I won't say out right it's happening as there is no concrete proof for legal action. No concrete proof? Was this not the same Head Ref from last SuperBowl? Clock running all the time to stop play, spotting the football incorrectly many times, loud noise do over play, no measurement, not calling blatant holding calls, no roughing the passer on Burrow, etc… if you have watched football for a very long time like I have and don’t see the proof, then I don’t know what to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ@w Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 4 hours ago, HavePityPlease said: This has been my thought about all the major sports since their recent "partnerships" with the sports books. Since their M.O. has been "tilt towards whatever makes the most money" for many years, it should follow that they will do so with bets in mind soon enough, if not already. Comparing some major sports to WWE may soon be a case of simple observation. The elephant in the room probably can’t be said or people don’t want to talk about it because it might hurt people’s feelings. Yea, there are other reasons. People talk about bets, well, look at the commercials. Look at things from every angle. What do you think will be the discussion about both QBs? Someone has to say it because I am sick of the BS! Some on here won’t like what I wrote but, oh well, if you don’t think this is happening, then lead a blind eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ@w Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 Even TJ sees it… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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|BlackJesus| Posted January 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 Hubbard: "Keep your head up" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saphead Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 I just never had the feeling we were winning this game the whole night even when it was tied. And I don't think we would have won in OT. Just didn't seem like it was gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted January 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 The NFL can't fully stage a game, as the players would never go along with it. So in that case a complete "rigging" is difficult. But what they definitely can do, especially in a league where most games are decided by one possession, is have the referees put their fingers on the scales to make the desired outcome more likely. If the league wants Team A to win, and consistently give them beneficial calls through the course of a game, the accumulation of assistance is often enough to make the difference. And in a league where a single point scored can cost casinos, sports books, and organized crime millions & billions of dollars, that's an issue as it pertains to the integrity of the contest. Plus the presence of certain marketable teams can mean a big difference in viewers and thus advertising revenue for the league. So to pretend that they wouldn't have a desired preference is naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungletiger Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 hours ago, TigerJ@w said: No concrete proof? Was this not the same Head Ref from last SuperBowl? Clock running all the time to stop play, spotting the football incorrectly many times, loud noise do over play, no measurement, not calling blatant holding calls, no roughing the passer on Burrow, etc… if you have watched football for a very long time like I have and don’t see the proof, then I don’t know what to tell you. The media will down play it, the casual "fans" will cool off and forget. When the majority stops complaining it won't matter and the NFL will continue on with out change. Unless it risks the money nothing will happen whether proof or not. Just doesn't happen often enough to sustain the mass rage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungletiger Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 hours ago, TigerJ@w said: Even TJ sees it… Raw emotion, don't think it will stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 I have to admit that the performance of last night's referees was abysmal. If you are one to believe in conspiracy theories they sure gave you a lot to hang your hat on in that game. I, for one, don't buy into it. Do you know how hard it is to get someone to keep a secret? A secret that is worth so much money? All the people involved with the NFL and referees would all have to keep their mouths shut to everyone including their families. Do realize how unlikely that is? It's impossible. Someone would squeal. Lots of people would squeal. It couldn't' be sustained. As for last night...I could see one rouge official making a call and a key period of time to try to influence a game for gamblers, or whoever wanted that outcome. Last night wasn't just one call. It was call after call. The officials were absolutely confused and incompetent. The whole "extra down" thing was a master class in incompetence. The blew that situation in every way possible. Folks, incompetence is an epidemic. It's the explanation you are looking for. That officials crew should be split up and sent for remedial training, and whoever called the PI on Hilton should be bumped down to HS football. When Gene Steratore starts questioning the officiating you know it's really bad. Finally, if you think the league is corrupt and influencing games you should be able to make a killing at the betting windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 34 minutes ago, BlackJesus said: The NFL can't fully stage a game, as the players would never go along with it. So in that case a complete "rigging" is difficult. But what they definitely can do, especially in a league where most games are decided by one possession, is have the referees put their fingers on the scales to make the desired outcome more likely. If the league wants Team A to win, and consistently give them beneficial calls through the course of a game, the accumulation of assistance is often enough to make the difference. And in a league where a single point scored can cost casinos, sports books, and organized crime millions & billions of dollars, that's an issue as it pertains to the integrity of the contest. Plus the presence of certain marketable teams can mean a big difference in viewers and thus advertising revenue for the league. So to pretend that they wouldn't have a desired preference is naive. Have been saying this for at least a decade. “Rigging” outright is well-nigh impossible. Creating a paradigm of influencing is relatively simple. As you correctly state: it doesn’t take many subtle calls or non-enforcement of the multitudinous rules (created by the NFL) to alter a direction. The NBA has perfected this design since the Michael Jordan era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, UncleEarl said: I have to admit that the performance of last night's referees was abysmal. If you are one to believe in conspiracy theories they sure gave you a lot to hang your hat on in that game. I, for one, don't buy into it. Do you know how hard it is to get someone to keep a secret? A secret that is worth so much money? All the people involved with the NFL and referees would all have to keep their mouths shut to everyone including their families. Do realize how unlikely that is? It's impossible. Someone would squeal. Lots of people would squeal. It couldn't' be sustained. As for last night...I could see one rouge official making a call and a key period of time to try to influence a game for gamblers, or whoever wanted that outcome. Last night wasn't just one call. It was call after call. The officials were absolutely confused and incompetent. The whole "extra down" thing was a master class in incompetence. The blew that situation in every way possible. Folks, incompetence is an epidemic. It's the explanation you are looking for. That officials crew should be split up and sent for remedial training, and whoever called the PI on Hilton should be bumped down to HS football. When Gene Steratore starts questioning the officiating you know it's really bad. Finally, if you think the league is corrupt and influencing games you should be able to make a killing at the betting windows. You’ve stated a lot to unpack—and as to the “rigging”, it is of course not possible. But the dynamic of the NFL—based on the successful NBA model—is to create influence by way of multitudinous rules, which are impossible to enforce consistently. For that, no amount of “remedial training” is going to make things different. And, money is absolutely involved. Kermit is a highly recognizable figure. All of the commercials and media worship make him someone the average non-involved fan wants to watch. Every call was going to go his way—just as Michael Jordan had every call go his way. Talent+Favoritism=Advantage. But, this is a dog-chase-tail discussion. Nothing is changing. For me, I’m more than used to it, so it is no longer upsetting. Maybe Joe will one day become Kermit—in terms of mass-popularity—and games such as this one go the Bengals’ way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 Couple of season ending thoughts. - we've been living out of shotgun all year because the oline isn't good. It hurts our ability to run the ball effectively and when we do go under center we end up telegraphing what we are doing and become predictable - Adinji has now cost us a championship 2 years in a row because is just bad. Collins has not been good either. We have to address this position long term not with a bandaid which is basically what Collins was. - blaming Ossai is easy and wrong. He made.a mistake but there were alot of other factors that lost us that game and other than that he had a good game - blaming the refs or saying the game was fixed is loser mentality. Yea the extra down was BS but it didn't cost us the game. They did not score on that drive and we had 2 minutes to go get the lead but once again could not protect Joe long enough to do so - on the plus side once he settled down Carman had a perfectly fine game. - I hope Pratt calms down and apologies to Ossai. I've seen too many times where teams when they lose go after each other and it hurts the team and they never get back to what they were because the team aspect is gone. BJ Hill standing next to and telling reporters "next question" "why would you ask him something like that" showed true leadership. Pratt did not. We are not that far away from a championship but the team has to make the right moves and that includes some of what the players may want as far as contracts. I have faith well get there if the front office is willing to do the right things and willing to be smart about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 26 minutes ago, UncleEarl said: I have to admit that the performance of last night's referees was abysmal. If you are one to believe in conspiracy theories they sure gave you a lot to hang your hat on in that game. I, for one, don't buy into it. Do you know how hard it is to get someone to keep a secret? A secret that is worth so much money? All the people involved with the NFL and referees would all have to keep their mouths shut to everyone including their families. Do realize how unlikely that is? It's impossible. Someone would squeal. Lots of people would squeal. It couldn't' be sustained. As for last night...I could see one rouge official making a call and a key period of time to try to influence a game for gamblers, or whoever wanted that outcome. Last night wasn't just one call. It was call after call. The officials were absolutely confused and incompetent. The whole "extra down" thing was a master class in incompetence. The blew that situation in every way possible. Folks, incompetence is an epidemic. It's the explanation you are looking for. That officials crew should be split up and sent for remedial training, and whoever called the PI on Hilton should be bumped down to HS football. When Gene Steratore starts questioning the officiating you know it's really bad. Finally, if you think the league is corrupt and influencing games you should be able to make a killing at the betting windows. All of this. There is more truth to the idea that refs should be a full time job than there is that the NFL fixes games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Jersey Bengal Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Couple of season ending thoughts. - we've been living out of shotgun all year because the oline isn't good. It hurts our ability to run the ball effectively and when we do go under center we end up telegraphing what we are doing and become predictable - Adinji has now cost us a championship 2 years in a row because is just bad. Collins has not been good either. We have to address this position long term not with a bandaid which is basically what Collins was. - blaming Ossai is easy and wrong. He made.a mistake but there were alot of other factors that lost us that game and other than that he had a good game - blaming the refs or saying the game was fixed is loser mentality. Yea the extra down was BS but it didn't cost us the game. They did not score on that drive and we had 2 minutes to go get the lead but once again could not protect Joe long enough to do so - on the plus side once he settled down Carman had a perfectly fine game. - I hope Pratt calms down and apologies to Ossai. I've seen too many times where teams when they lose go after each other and it hurts the team and they never get back to what they were because the team aspect is gone. BJ Hill standing next to and telling reporters "next question" "why would you ask him something like that" showed true leadership. Pratt did not. We are not that far away from a championship but the team has to make the right moves and that includes some of what the players may want as far as contracts. I have faith well get there if the front office is willing to do the right things and willing to be smart about it. Agree here Adeniji did not play well last night but did vs the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBacker Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 23 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: - I hope Pratt calms down and apologies to Ossai. I've seen too many times where teams when they lose go after each other and it hurts the team and they never get back to what they were because the team aspect is gone. BJ Hill standing next to and telling reporters "next question" "why would you ask him something like that" showed true leadership. Pratt did not. I couldn't make out exactly what Pratt was saying. Can anyone translate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HavePityPlease Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, BengalBacker said: I couldn't make out exactly what Pratt was saying. Can anyone translate? On the Twitter thread I saw multiple attempts, the two I think are the closest are: "It's my last year, motherfucker why you touch the quarterback" (meaning he realizes he's done with the Bengals and laments potentially missing his last chance at a SB) or "It's the last series, motherfucker why you touch the quarterback" (meaning you obviously don't touch the QB on the last drive of the game before OT) Something to that effect. Fair enough to say he's raging at Ossai and blames him for the outcome. He should look in the mirror because he missed the easy tackle on Pacheco earlier which could have been decisive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBacker Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, HavePityPlease said: On the Twitter thread I saw multiple attempts, the two I think are the closest are: "It's my last year, motherfucker why you touch the quarterback" (meaning he realizes he's done with the Bengals and laments potentially missing his last chance at a SB) or "It's the last series, motherfucker why you touch the quarterback" (meaning you obviously don't touch the QB on the last drive of the game before OT) Something to that effect. Fair enough to say he's raging at Ossai and blames him for the outcome. He should look in the mirror because he missed the easy tackle on Pacheco earlier which could have been decisive. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gupps Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, saphead said: I just never had the feeling we were winning this game the whole night even when it was tied. And I don't think we would have won in OT. Just didn't seem like it was gonna happen. I think we may have won in OT, but the Eagles dline would have murdered Burrow in the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HavePityPlease Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 36 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: - blaming the refs or saying the game was fixed is loser mentality. Yea the extra down was BS but it didn't cost us the game. They did not score on that drive and we had 2 minutes to go get the lead but once again could not protect Joe long enough to do so I think most people (not everyone) around here realizes the Bengals had a chance in this game, but obvious tilting is just an observation at the end of the day and the two are not mutually exclusive. As for the "they didn't score so no big deal" point of view, that's not true because both of the Chiefs' last two drives that were punts were both aided by shit calls that gave the punter the opportunity to coffin-corner/pin us, which he did both times. That matters, unfortunately. Point taken that we still had the chance, but it was just that much harder - standard NFL tilting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted January 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, BengalBacker said: Can anyone translate? Pratt: "It's the motherfucking last series ... The fuck ... Why the fuck did he touch the quarterback !?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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