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3 minutes ago, membengal said:

AH, so your issue is you are locked into o-line in the first round and if other names are discussed you are gonna diss them to fit that agenda. Got it. 

No ..you haven't got it at all.

I would be ok with a priority need but 3tech isn't one of them..

 

 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

I would be ok with a priority need but 3tech isn't one of them


The only way they’d ever have a shot at Kancey is by trading up into the top half of the first round. We all know that isn’t happening, so it’s all moot anyway. 

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3 minutes ago, membengal said:

What's weird is pretending there is not a need at 3T. And going out of one's way to slag a likely top 15 prospect to further an agenda. 

We have BJ Hill and isnt Zach Carter being used there as well?

 

Like Spicoli said if he's a top 15 no shot anyway..

 

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22 hours ago, I_C_Deadpeople said:

I would say that if a player (excluding QB) that was ranked top 15 on the Bengals board was there when we pick- he would be selected regardless of position. And there would be no doubt about taking him. 

 

Semi agree, Someone could always make a kickass trade offer.

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I doubt Kancey is going in the top 15. Most mocks I've seen don't even have him in the first round, meaning he'd be available for selection at 29. But he'd be a terrible pick for us. We're not going to bench or cut Hill and we just used a day 2 pick last year on the backup. Kancey's production isn't close to Donald's. And we certainly have bigger areas of need, not all of which will be filled in free agency. 

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You guys ought to sober up if you think Kancey is anywhere close to Donald. Donald had 28.5 tackles for loss his senior year with 4 fumbles forced and 3 passes defensed.

 

Kancey had 7 sacks, 0 fumbles forced or recovered and 0 passes defended. Not even close to the same ballpark. Just because they went to the same college doesn't make them alike. Jeez. There's a reason Donald won the Lombardi, Nagurski, Bednarik, and Outland trophies and Kancey didn't. 

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On 2/16/2023 at 12:45 PM, Jungletiger said:

Left field take and random reminder.  I understand letting go of the disrespect card and all that, but as we get praises from analysts never forget what was said.

 

 

That aged well, didn't it?😂😂😂😂😂

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https://www.cincyjungle.com/2023/2/19/23599419/bengals-3-round-mock-draft-cody-mauch

 

That means there will likely be an even bigger emphasis on the draft for Bengals fans. Chad Reuter from NFL.com gave us his first mock draft of the year.

 

 

Cody Mauch, Offensive lineman North Dakota

Mauch showed during Senior Bowl week that he could play anywhere along the offensive line. That sort of versatility would have come in handy for the Bengals during the playoffs after they lost both starting tackles (including Jonah Williams, a free agent after the 2023 season) to injury. Putting Mauch and his former Bison teammate, Cordell Volson, on the same NFL O-line does NDSU proud.

Mauch went viral for a minute on Bengals Twitter when his team picture with him missing teeth was shared as him being a former teammate of Volson. It shows off that glass-eating mentality that offensive line coach Frank Pollack looks for.

********* Second round for sure************

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12 hours ago, kennethmw said:

That aged well, didn't it?😂😂😂😂😂

Most of the comments were Colin Cowherd and Dan Patrick.There was also one by Milke Golic, and someone, whose voice I didn't recognize.Patrick,Cowherd and Golic ,all worked for ESPN.They did not like the Bengals,and trashed them all the time.

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8 hours ago, stan said:

Most of the comments were Colin Cowherd and Dan Patrick.There was also one by Milke Golic, and someone, whose voice I didn't recognize.Patrick,Cowherd and Golic ,all worked for ESPN.They did not like the Bengals,and trashed them all the time.

Dan Patrick is actually a Bengals fan. I think he goes over the top to avoid that appearance. 

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2023 NFL Draft Consensus Big Board 3.0: Which prospects crack the top 100?

Nick Baumgardner and Austin Mock
Feb 21, 2023

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The Athletic’s Consensus Big Board combines rankings from a wide range of draft experts to identify how the top prospects are viewed against the rest of the 2023 draft class. In theory, by the time we reach draft weekend, we’ll have a good handle on how the picks could (or, at least, should) fall.

For the third version of our board, Austin Mock again gives us a look at how the top 100 prospects stack up across the industry. Included in this update is the latest set of rankings from The Athletic draft expert Dane Brugler, which published on Feb. 14.

The 2023 NFL Draft Consensus Big Board, 3.0 (including each player’s average ranking across all sources):

Consensus Top-100 Big Board (Feb. 21)
  PLAYER POS. SCHOOL AVG. RANK
1
Will Anderson Jr.
EDGE
1.5
2
Jalen Carter
DT
2.8
3
Bryce Young
QB
3.5
4
C.J. Stroud
QB
4.5
5
Myles Murphy
EDGE
7.6
6
Peter Skoronski
OT
9.8
7
Bijan Robinson
RB
10.1
8
Quentin Johnston
WR
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11.8
9
Jordan Addison
WR
team-logo-252-50x50.pngUSC
14.1
10
Michael Mayer
TE
14.1
11
Tyree Wilson
EDGE
14.6
12
Paris Johnson Jr.
OT
16.7
13
Jaxon Smith-Njigba
WR
18.7
14
Joey Porter Jr.
CB
18.9
15
Bryan Bresee
DT
20.1
16
Christian Gonzalez
CB
20.7
17
Brian Branch
S
21.0
18
Cam Smith
CB
23.5
19
Will Levis
QB
24.8
20
Jahmyr Gibbs
RB
28.9
21
Broderick Jones
OT
29.2
22
Kelee Ringo
CB
31.0
23
Antonio Johnson
S
31.5
24
Isaiah Foskey
EDGE
32.3
25
Trenton Simpson
LB
32.5
26
Devon Witherspoon
CB
35.5
27
O'Cyrus Torrence
G
35.9
28
Anton Harrison
OT
36.6
29
B.J. Ojulari
EDGE
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37.1
30
Anthony Richardson
QB
39.7
31
Dalton Kincaid
TE
40.2
32
Siaki Ika
DT
43.4
33
Dawand Jones
OT
44.3
34
Nolan Smith
EDGE
45.4
35
Felix Anudike-Uzomah
EDGE
45.5
36
Josh Downs
WR
46.8
37
Lukas Van Ness
DT
48.6
38
Clark Phillips III
CB
49.5
39
Emmanuel Forbes
CB
49.5
40
Drew Sanders
LB
51.0
41
Zay Flowers
WR
51.5
42
Will McDonald IV
EDGE
52.2
43
Andre Carter II
EDGE
52.2
44
Darnell Wright
OT
53.0
45
John Michael Schmitz
C
53.1
46
Luke Musgrave
TE
53.1
47
Jaylin Hyatt
WR
53.9
48
Darnell Washington
TE
55.3
49
Gervon Dexter Sr.
DT
55.6
50
Kayshon Boutte
WR
team-logo-267-50x50.pngLSU
55.6
51
Noah Sewell
LB
58.3
52
Tuli Tuipulotu
DT
team-logo-252-50x50.pngUSC
59.8
53
Matthew Bergeron
OT
60.8
54
Mazi Smith
DT
62.1
55
Devon Achane
RB
62.5
56
Jordan Battle
S
62.5
57
Rashee Rice
WR
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65.0
58
Cody Mauch
OT
65.9
59
Calijah Kancey
DT
66.2
60
Zach Harrison
EDGE
66.6
61
Derick Hall
EDGE
66.9
62
Tanner McKee
QB
68.3
63
Jack Campbell
LB
69.0
64
Deonte Banks
CB
69.1
65
Christopher Smith II
S
69.9
66
Garrett Williams
CB
70.9
67
Tyrique Stevenson
CB
71.5
68
Steve Avila
OL
team-logo-187-50x50.pngTCU
71.7
69
Henry To'o To'o
LB
72.6
70
Jaelyn Duncan
OT
73.1
71
Hendon Hooker
QB
73.5
72
Zach Charbonnet
RB
74.2
73
Keion White
DT
74.2
74
Kyu Blu Kelly
CB
75.1
75
Eli Ricks
CB
75.8
76
JL Skinner
S
77.5
77
Andrew Vorhees
G
team-logo-252-50x50.pngUSC
78.0
78
Sam LaPorta
TE
78.1
79
Daiyan Henley
LB
79.5
80
Tucker Kraft
TE
80.6
81
Zach Evans
RB
80.6
82
Cedric Tillman
WR
81.2
83
Jaylon Jones
CB
81.4
84
Keeanu Benton
DT
82.5
85
Marvin Mims
WR
82.6
86
Blake Freeland
OT
team-logo-217-50x50.pngBYU
84.5
87
Adetomiwa Adebawore
EDGE
85.0
88
Nathaniel Dell
WR
85.2
89
Jaquelin Roy
DT
team-logo-267-50x50.pngLSU
86.0
90
Dontayvion Wicks
WR
86.5
91
Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson
CB
team-logo-187-50x50.pngTCU
87.7
92
Zacch Pickens
DT
88.0
93
Brandon Joseph
S
88.1
94
Sean Tucker
RB
88.2
95
Luke Wypler
C
88.4
96
Sydney Brown
S
88.5
97
Tyler Steen
OT
88.6
98
Parker Washington
WR
88.9
99
Tank Bigsby
RB
89.3
100
Mekhi Garner
CB
team-logo-267-50x50.pngLSU
89.3

Thoughts from The Athletic draft analyst Nick Baumgardner on the updated consensus board:

The biggest risers in the top 75:

A few things here: One, thanks to Dane for helping fix this version of the Big Board by getting more prospects into appropriate ranges. The consensus top 100 is not all the way there, but it’s getting closer in some areas.

We talked last time about the likes of Witherspoon, Van Ness and Musgrave. All three are probably still ranked too low. Witherspoon is at least going to be in the conversation as the top cornerback on several NFL teams’ boards, while Van Ness will be a top-20 prospect for some and very well could be a first-round pick himself, despite a lack of production at Iowa. Musgrave, meantime, could flirt with the back half of Round 1 — he will be much higher on this list when we do it again after the combine (assuming he runs his 40-yard dash).

In a similar vein, White jumped up 23 spots and that might not be enough. He is, at the very least, a top-50 player and possibly even a first-round pick.

• The consensus board probably remains too high on several other prospects, including one on this “risers” list: Dawand Jones.

His dominant one-day performance at the Senior Bowl no doubt bumped him up several boards. He was able to answer several questions NFL evaluators had about his mobility and overall foot speed vs. live pass rushers, but it’s important to note the tape on Jones still is what it is. Jones is No. 52 on Brugler’s latest big board, which is likely much closer to how NFL teams view him right now. Jones’ length is incredible, but can he hold up in every scheme? Will his balance and range be as usable at the next level? We’ll see.

 

Another prospect I think the board is far too high on: Army edge Andre Carter. He struggled with power at the Senior Bowl and, despite his length and speed, appears as though he’ll have a long way to go vs. the run.

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• The board is too scared of quarterbacks Will Levis (Kentucky) and Anthony Richardson (Florida). Too many have gotten stuck on box-score scouting. Interceptions and completion rate in college matter — no one here will ever argue otherwise — but context on every single attempt in college also matters. A lot. QBs often are playing with receivers and lineman (and, in some cases, coaches) who are not NFL-caliber complements.

Richardson and Levis have physical traits that are undeniable, and that will be true no matter how many times you saw them make poor throws on your television screens last season. Certainly, those traits will show up next week at the combine and at each player’s respective pro day. Dane’s current top 100 is closer to where this is going to shake out, with Levis at No. 10 and Richardson at No. 14. People should prepare themselves for four quarterbacks to be taken in the top half of the first round.

• One more note on the quarterbacks: I’d guess the odds favor seeing just four quarterbacks in the top 100 (Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud, Levis and Richardson), rather than a scenario in which Stanford’s Tanner McKee (No. 62 on the consensus board) and Tennessee’s Hendon Hooker (No. 71) join them. Hooker could climb to that top-100 range on draft weekend, perhaps, but not sure I’d call it “likely.”

• The board is still way too high on receivers and way too low on corners. Quentin Johnston stayed at No. 8 and Jordan Addison actually moved up two spots (to No. 9). Maybe the board knows better than me, but it’d be a bit surprising to see them selected there, when all is said and done. I also don’t think Jaxon Smith-Njigba (No. 13) will go in the top 15. We’ll see if the combine changes my mind, but I really doubt it.

 

I don’t have as much of an issue with how the corners are stacked at the top, as that really depends on how you want your defense to play man coverage. That said, I don’t see zero corners coming off the board before the 14th pick (where Joey Porter Jr., is ranked on the consensus board), nor do I believe there are 15 players in this class better than Christian Gonzalez (No. 16).

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The board does have more confidence than Dane in Kelee Ringo (No. 22 here; No. 32 on Brugler’s board). On that, I side with the consensus. However, I’m right back to agreeing with Dane on South Carolina CB Cam Smith (No. 51 on Brugler’s board; No. 18 here). I like Smith, but I don’t believe he’s in the top four at his position.

My ranking of that group, presently, would be: Gonzalez, Witherspoon, Porter, Ringo.

• The linebackers had some of the widest ranges on the Consensus Big Board, and that’s really no surprise. It’ll be like that throughout the entire draft process, because the league’s general consensus on what it believes to be a good stack linebacker is … well, it doesn’t exist. There are multiple schools of thought at a position that’s changing pretty constantly.

That doesn’t diminish the position’s importance, though. On the contrary, good stack linebackers are still incredibly valuable and — like good running backs — smart general managers have shown in recent years that you can sit, wait and strike gold. Nick Bolton and Pete Werner were late second-round picks in 2021. The Lions got Malcolm Rodriguez in the sixth round last year. The Bears found a good one in undrafted rookie Jack Sanborn.

Impact linebackers are out there, even if it’s not necessarily reflected in the top 100.

(Illustration: Eamonn Dalton / The Athleticphotos: Randy Litzinger, Adam Davis, Nick Cammett / Getty Images)

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