Jamie_B Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Since BJ is quoting Chomsky these days, I thought I'd give a link to those who dont know who he is. From Wikipedia, which is usually just factual and non-biased. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 [i][b]The Most brilliant man alive today .... People would be wise to read his books and contributions [/b][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steggyD Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 This is pretty intelligent actually, I'll quote it. [quote][b]Views on socialism[/b] Noam Chomsky at a peace rally in Boulder, Colorado, in 2003.Chomsky is deeply opposed to what he calls the "corporate state capitalism" practiced by the United States and its allies. He supports many of Mikhail Bakunin's anarchist (or libertarian socialist) ideas, requiring economic freedom in addition to the "control of production by the workers themselves, not owners and managers who rule them and control all decisions." He refers to this as "real socialism," and describes Soviet-style socialism as similar in terms of "totalitarian controls" to U.S.-style capitalism, saying that each is a system based in types and levels of control, rather than in organization or efficiency. In defense of this thesis, Chomsky sometimes points out that Frederick Winslow Taylor's philosophy of scientific management was the organizational basis for the Soviet Union's massive industrialization movement as well as the American corporate model. Chomsky has illuminated Bakunin's comments on the totalitarian state as predictions for the brutal Soviet police state that would come. He echoes Bakunin's statement that "...If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Czar himself," which expands upon the idea that the tyrannical Soviet state was simply a natural growth from the Bolshevik ideology of state control. He has also termed Soviet communism as "fake socialism," and said that contrary to what many in America claim, the collapse of the Soviet Union should be regarded as "a small victory for socialism," not capitalism.[/quote] I agree with practically these two entire paragraphs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scales Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 I am very i g n o r a n t on these topics....Saw one of his audiobooks on a newsgroup recently, was gonna give it a spin, but it was broken in to four parts and part three was missing....THATS A NO GO TEMPLATE! Still lookin for it..HINT<HINT...alt.binaries.sounds.spokenword....cough, cough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scales Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 "He supports many of Mikhail Bakunin's anarchist (or libertarian socialist) ideas, requiring economic freedom in addition to the "control of production by the workers themselves, not owners and managers who rule them and control all decisions." How in the hell is that gonna work? Everyone has a say? Am i misunderstanding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 I've read three of Chomsky's books: Rules and Representations, Manufacturing Consent, and Fateful Triangle. I also studied under a pretty good friend of his, a fellow named Norton Mezvinsky. I think the man is intelligent, but wouldn't go as far as BJ does. His politics are a mixed bag, and his core area (linguistics) is kind of a modern version of nominalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Only read [u]The Prosperous Few and the Restless Many.[/u] I wouldn't say Anti-American (he calls it the best country in the world), but he sure doesn't like the way this country is run. A huge hit in European circles. He has some genius ideas and correlations, but is disappointing from time to time. Also writes for The Progressive (www.theprogressive.org) with [b]MY[/b] favorite brand of truthful/incendiary scholar, Howard Zinn. Say what you will about Zinn, but his sources and his research is all perfect, and the man DID fight for this country in WWII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Side Note: Rush Limbaugh seems to think that Wikipedia is a liberal clearinghouse of misinformation, so watch out Jamie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted September 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 [quote name='#22' date='Sep 13 2005, 06:29 PM']Side Note: Rush Limbaugh seems to think that Wikipedia is a liberal clearinghouse of misinformation, so watch out Jamie [right][post="148372"][/post][/right][/quote] Aw crap... uhm Go Rush. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//3.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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