|BlackJesus| Posted August 13 Report Share Posted August 13 There is a wider debate about the 'Surburbinzation' of social and civic space and the lack of adequate public transportation that is personified by this topic. This trend to move stadiums out into the "Burbs" where 75% of the landscape is either parking lots or box stores, to me is borderline dystopian. If a team is not going to be interwoven into a central urban space and represent that particular city, then why even name them after a location? Just give them a corporate sponsor and tie them to a brand: "The Google Giants". 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted August 13 Report Share Posted August 13 2 minutes ago, BlackJesus said: The Chiefs stadium is even worse to me ... 42 minutes ago, Le Tigre said: Lower.com was built on some leftover former Ohio Pen land not already taken by Nationwide and Huntington Field. None of the Arena District stadia are easy to get to…and Lower.com is even harder. Parking is abysmal. I give credit to Haslam/Edwards for this Astor Park project. It will make the surrounding area not only more interesting, but accessible as well. I was told Mason Would be ideal. Bengals stadium.Kings Island.. Accessible.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted August 13 Report Share Posted August 13 Just now, BlackJesus said: There is a wider debate about the 'Surburbinzation' of social and civic space and the lack of adequate public transportation that is personified by this topic. This trend to move stadiums out into the "Burbs" where 75% of the landscape is either parking lots or box stores, to me is borderline dystopian. If a team is not going to be interwoven into a central urban space and represent that particular city, then why even name them after a location? Just give them a sponsor and tie them to a brand: "The Google Giants". Good thoughts but won't happen. Burbs are the place to build now. Maybe they get a cheaper deal all told Accessibility is greater. Fans will come no matter.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 13 Report Share Posted August 13 When I root for the Bengals, I am also rooting for the city of Cincinnati, the place where my parents, grandparents, great grandparents etc were born. Even though I don't live in Cincinnati and am globally nomadic living in many different countries, my loyalty and nostalgia are to the place itself. Would I still root for the Bengals if they relocated to Toronto? No. So its not that different than if you disconnect the team from the city and put them in some gigantic parking lot on the side of the highway on the way to Dayton, then the thread that ties them to the place is gone to me. To me its a slippery slope that began with renaming the stadiums. Soon they will try and put corporate logos on the jerseys (ala 'soccer'), then all the stadiums will be glorified shopping malls with built-in water parks in the suburbs, and next the teams will be renamed with some company tie in "with every purchase of your Walmart Broncos merchandise, you will receive 10% off your Walmart gas card." Idiocracy here we come. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted August 13 Report Share Posted August 13 2 hours ago, Le Tigre said: Lower.com was built on some leftover former Ohio Pen land not already taken by Nationwide and Huntington Field. None of the Arena District stadia are easy to get to…and Lower.com is even harder. Parking is abysmal. I give credit to Haslam/Edwards for this Astor Park project. It will make the surrounding area not only more interesting, but accessible as well. Interesting. I lived in the short north for 5 years and have gone to lots of soccer and baseball games. I wouldn't consider any of it hard to get to but I do always Uber. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted August 13 Report Share Posted August 13 I don't think lower.com field is especially hard to get in and out of. It's at the far end of Nationwide Blvd but there are several cross streets that connect to Spring St. The police close Nationwide to vehicular traffic a bit west of Huntington Park. So there are the garages around the arena to park at, surface lots behind the arena and on Vine, then some more surface lots on the south side of NationWide. There's a lot north of the lower.com for ADA use and the triangle among the railroads is for tailgating. Then the first thing to go up in Astor Park was their parking garage next to the stadium. The rest of the development is still being built out but it's supposed to be mixed use for office space and residential. I'm going to the Leagues Cup match vs Miami tonight (they're missing Messi due to injury) and looking for some payback after we lost an MLS match to them in Florida a couple months ago. I just get off 71 at Spring street and go west, it's not too hard to get in and out. The soccer stadium sits on the originally planned site for the Columbus casino. The mayor didn't want it downtown so it got moved out to the site of a former car parts plant on the west side. But the casino amendment specified the exact addresses for the 4 casinos so the people of Ohio had to pass a constitutional amendment to move it to the current location. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted August 13 Report Share Posted August 13 5 hours ago, claptonrocks said: I was told Mason Would be ideal. Bengals stadium.Kings Island.. Accessible.. Don't agree about accessibility. Getting off the I-71 exit before games and back on after would be a nightmare. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 15 hours ago, BlackJesus said: The Chiefs stadium is even worse to me ... just to play devils advocate here, what is the point of trying to find the most concrete washed color photo of stadiums and then finding the most lit of dust colorful photo of pbs and pretend they are to be compared? this isn an election, this isnt CNN or fox news. so whats the point? been to PBS lately? are we all just pretending the parking is sweet? are we all just pretending the traintrack, piles of gravel, rusted out everything, bridges from every direction underpasses is super sweet on the west side of the stadium? people love longworth, but thats not awesome. its awesome because fans fill it up and do fan things, the sapce is old and shitty and sort of a pain in the ass to navigate. its 2024. the bengals surroundings of the stadium are 2005 level. and thats not being sarcastic. dont get me wrong, i love PBS, and im half tempting to pretend its incredible because i love what goes on there, what it stands for, and the endless hours ive spent with my father, my son and several great friends there. but in reality world, its mediocre as shit. On 8/12/2024 at 9:34 AM, UncleEarl said: I don't see a good reason for the Bengals to move to the suburbs. It's a good location with plenty of activity. BUT....If Brown/Blackburn wanted to make some big money he/she could look for a location where they could develop the area around a stadium ala Patriot Place, or the Atlanta Braves Truist Park/The Battery. its not though, is it better than it was 10 years ago? hell yea, are there better options out there? by god yes. it just depends, are we going for comfy, midwest town, wholesale fun family good time area.. or are we competing with 31 other billionaire organizations and what they offer fans and players? 8 YEARS AGO, the broncos has mini TV's with sunday ticket in the club level AT THE SEATS you could tune into other games and watch while watching the broncos play, 8 years ago... i LOVE what the bengals have done, but it took us from being 15 years before to 7-10 years behind. they are doing great improving things, but they JUST NOW improved the entrance for more people to get in fast.... and only did it on ONE ENTRANCE. i have waited 45+ minutes to get into games before. almost missed kickoff from the lack of technology at the gates and poor layout and planning. i got into the SUPERBOWL in 2-3 minutes. its really crazy becuase the nuggets are facing the same thing, Ball Arena is 20-30 years old, its fine, its been upgraded like PBS has, but its dated now, and it looks like the owners have decided to keep it ewhere it is, which is fine, downtown, BUT they also own the amusement park and the giant parking lots for both, so they are going to ditch the amusement park and build a giant mega sports entertainment plex there. the point of the space and expansion is to lure big money thing there. you want a superbowl in cincinnati? there arent enough hotels in radius, if they move to say, Monroe b the casino, add 10-20 hotels, now you have enough in the radius as downtown would count. without the stadium in the burbs, theres no reason to add hotels out there, Things to host: Final four Superbowl music festivals large music acts that skip cincy and hit columbus or another city nearby instead. Things to add: a real sportsplex for the team, we have a bubble next to a gravel pit next to two fences in decent practice fields. the nuggets are under fire for the lack of player available facilities, aaron gordon has amost as nice of a court IN HIS HOUSE as the nuggets have a practice court. transfer that to football, and thats what the bengals have. im not dissing the bengals, but we cant all sit here and pretend the bengals are even top half of the league in facilities and stadium entertainment areas. trying to mock the chiefs stadium area is so silly from others, that place is PACKED, sponsors tents and entertainment, the endless tailgating, its easy AF to get in and out (one time i got fucked getting out and took 40 minutes) but its similar to OSU, fans everyone all around, and all having fun. ever try to walk around PBS? its 35 fucking minutes up stairs or under bridges crossing streets with cops haulting traffic. i spend $80-300 on a parking pass for lot 1 every game just to avoid as much of the shit show as i can around the stadium. it sucks, and no one can tell me otherwise. On 8/12/2024 at 9:37 AM, Lawshark13 said: This has to be one of the stupidest articles I've seen...just gobsmackingly stupid. As some of have said, the whole vibe of being downtown is fantastic, there are a massive number of hotels within walking distance, restaurants and bars to frequent, ample tailgating space and vehicular access just is not that damn difficult. When I've been back for a game I've usually just parked a 10 minute-ish walk away so that your can make a quicker escape than being right at the stadium. Last fall my brother got premium parking right in one of the stadium lots and while getting in and out was a little bit of a pain...it was not a big deal. Or...we could drop a stadium in the middle of the burbs and hope for the best... jason williams is a fucking clown, no doubt, but the logic here isnt unfounded. On 8/12/2024 at 1:33 PM, BlackJesus said: Hell fucking no! 😡 The Bengals currently have the BEST stadium location in the entire NFL. Not one of the best, the actual best. Teams should also have to play in the city they are named after. Arlington Cowboys. Foxborough Patriots etc. Hell the Giants and Jets don't even play in the actual state. not even close. On 8/12/2024 at 7:32 PM, esjbh2 said: Dumb...I can't believe a Cincinnati based writer would even venture down this path. Being a Cincinnati resident I can't even envision where you could put a stadium in any of the city suburbs...not enough contiguous real estate. Several years ago the local now major league soccer team (FC Cincinnati) went thru the exercise of finding real estate for their stadium and it was slim pickens to say the least. It would have to be halfway to Dayton to even have enough room IMHO. i feel like im taking crazy pills. monroe area is like 16 miles from cincy. On 8/12/2024 at 7:52 PM, BlackJesus said: Imagine the degenerate level of stupidity it takes to believe that this backdrop ... Is better than this ... ... Only a craven soulless piece of shit would be shameless enough to try and sell this obvious lie to anyone with eyes. the fox news/cnn of stadium comparison photos. 23 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Those pics tell it all.. Now the costs and what county is willing to pay. lol 23 hours ago, Bleeds Orange said: Isn't this latest Paycor remodel going to bring with it and extension of the lease, or no? If so, isn't any discussion of a new stadium pointless for the near future? If there's a team that needs to get away from the city, it's the Titans, but they're doubling down and building a new Nissan Stadium right beside the current Nissan Stadium. Traffic flow into and out of the stadium area is a nightmare IF you're able to park in the stadium lots, and most have to park across the river in downtown and cross on a pedestrian bridge. The problem with the site is the problem with the entire city, and that's a spaghetti mess of multiple intersecting interstates, and there's really no fixing that. Cincinnati is easier to get into and out of than Nashville and the atmosphere along the riverfront is hard to beat. yea nashville fucking sucks. but that doesnt mean cincinnati is good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MOC Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 9 hours ago, GoBengals said: are we all just pretending the traintrack, piles of gravel, rusted out everything, bridges from every direction underpasses is super sweet on the west side of the stadium? people love longworth, but thats not awesome. its awesome because fans fill it up and do fan things, the sapce is old and shitty and sort of a pain in the ass to navigate. and now Longworth is gone as the State bought the land for a laydown yard for the new bridge construction, so I'm thinking things may get worse for a few years as far as tailgating and "doing fan things" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 On 8/13/2024 at 7:22 AM, BlackJesus said: The Chiefs stadium is even worse to me ... Let me guess...you've never been there? It's out there with Kaufmann stadium next door. It's not an inner city stadium, but there is some legendary tailgaiting going on there. KC is a city in two states. There really isn't a central downtown location that would necessarily work better. It has it's benefits for sure. Great atmosphere. Some cities just aren't built for a downtown stadium. Atlanta, for one. It's not a nice place. The Braves moved for a reason. Fulton County was great for football in the day. Great tailgating. The downtown stadiums in Atlanta are awful if you ask me. Very limited parking or tailgating. No serious restaurant or bar scene. They should move to the suburbs! The Bengals stadium is reflective of the market. No, there aren't TVs on seats or vast club areas. It's not a uber wealthy town. The games are accessible to fans that aren't super wealthy. That's a good thing in my mind. The stadiums and arenas the are just one big luxury box full of really rich people are often dead as hell. Give me a rowdy, but safe, atmosphere and a lot of passionate fans over a bunch of millionaires watching TV and ordering sushi. To each their own I guess.... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 About the original article... Jason Williams should move to a Cleveland suburb. He's a fuck with nay saying troll. Ridiculous article, btw 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dautcom08 Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 39 minutes ago, High School Harry said: About the original article... Jason Williams should move to a Cleveland suburb. He's a fuck with nay saying troll. Ridiculous article, btw The guy is a clickbait hack just like Hickory Dickory Doc always was. This thread has achieved his end game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 I don’t think the Brown family has any interest in not being on the riverfront so this idea is a nonstarter. Probably the best approach is to go piece by piece to upgrade/repair different parts of the stadium over several years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dautcom08 Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 It's public knowledge that the Bengals wanted the GABP site to build their stadium. The county, Lindner's and Castellini's all schemed to not allow that to happen. Not only did they force them there, but the Castellini's profited off of the sale. And then they made sure the county built the infrastructure directly around the Reds stadium leaving the Bengals stuck with privately owned gravel pits until they could use the county contract to force their hand and give them the land finally. People want to complain about the PBS stadium deal, and it started out more expensive than it should be thanks to the Castellini crooks. Hamilton County will pay $35 million for 27 acres of riverfront land needed for the construction of Paul Brown Stadium. Most of the land, owned by the Castellini Family Trust, should be in county hands by Dec. 8, according to terms of a deal authorized by Hamilton County Commissioners on Wednesday. The agreed-to purchase price is nearly 50 percent higher than the property's appraised value, according to the most recent valuations by the Hamilton County auditor's office. https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/1997/12/08/weekinbiz.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 16 hours ago, GoBengals said: it just depends, are we going for comfy, midwest town, wholesale fun family good time area.. or are we competing with 31 other billionaire organizations and what they offer fans and players? This, but applied to every facet of the organization from top to bottom. The stadium area though? You've got The Banks, which is what? 4 blocks? And 2 of those are a pretty mid hotel and a museum. Immediately opposite the stadium you've got the I-71 canyon, acting as a moat to the "awesome" (lol) downtown. It's good for a nice cheap petroleum exhaust buzz on the way over but that's about it. On crossing we get 3rd St, which offers a couple of tiny dive bars and a parking garage here and there. Entertainment options basically nil unless you're into vacant storefronts or huffing things out of paper bags under a freeway. Also, it's a one-way street with narrow sidewalks in a number of spots. The difference between a stadium with ample space to develop around it vs shoehorning one into 200+ years of riverfront impacted urban blight next to an interstate should be obvious to anyone if they take off the homer glasses for a moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dautcom08 Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 16 hours ago, GoBengals said: 8 YEARS AGO, the broncos has mini TV's with sunday ticket in the club level AT THE SEATS you could tune into other games and watch while watching the broncos play, 8 years ago... Mile High's setup is terrible, been there and all of the fans sit on their hands but they stomp their feet loudly. But pretty kewl they had TVs in your seats to watch games you didn't pay for to watch. Just stay home then. What a lame argument for being a state of the art stadium a whole 8 years ago lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 2 hours ago, Dautcom08 said: Mile High's setup is terrible, been there and all of the fans sit on their hands but they stomp their feet loudly. But pretty kewl they had TVs in your seats to watch games you didn't pay for to watch. Just stay home then. What a lame argument for being a state of the art stadium a whole 8 years ago lol. If we would get those, could we watch Cartoon Network when the Browns came to town? Wouldn't be much different. Bevis and Butthead would be a lot better, actually 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dautcom08 Posted August 15 Report Share Posted August 15 4 hours ago, High School Harry said: If we would get those, could we watch Cartoon Network when the Browns came to town? Wouldn't be much different. Bevis and Butthead would be a lot better, actually The Broncos are a second class organization and their ownership team blows. Denver has more homeless people than maybe any other city in America. KEWL!!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted August 15 Report Share Posted August 15 On 8/12/2024 at 9:27 AM, High School Harry said: I dunno... The Norwood Bengals has a nice ring to it. The team mascot could be a 73 Camaro. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted August 15 Report Share Posted August 15 NRG Stadium (Houston Texans) was done better than most if it’s going to be built away from downtown. They have trains that go to the stadium so you can pre game at nice bars and then take a quick train ride to the main entrance. Plenty of room to tailgate too. Obviously, Cincy have nothing like the METROrail in Houston. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 15 Report Share Posted August 15 Why couldn't the Bengals put several party river boats in the water next to the stadium on GameDay for tailgating Ohio River style? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted August 15 Report Share Posted August 15 24 minutes ago, BlackJesus said: Why couldn't the Bengals put several party river boats in the water next to the stadium on GameDay for tailgating Ohio River style? 🤔 tailgating is pretty much free. Those river boats may be expensive to party on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarkster Posted August 15 Report Share Posted August 15 On 8/14/2024 at 8:17 AM, Griever said: Parking Garage? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 15 Report Share Posted August 15 On 8/13/2024 at 4:27 AM, BlackJesus said: There is a wider debate about the 'Surburbinzation' of social and civic space and the lack of adequate public transportation that is personified by this topic. This trend to move stadiums out into the "Burbs" where 75% of the landscape is either parking lots or box stores, to me is borderline dystopian. If a team is not going to be interwoven into a central urban space and represent that particular city, then why even name them after a location? Just give them a corporate sponsor and tie them to a brand: "The Google Giants". Why are they not the Boston Patriots? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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