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Cricket Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 5 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said: Chase at best is still 2 years away from hitting the market. 4 years if you count the tag option. I don’t think that second Franchise Tag is going to be a realistic option, as that would be at the average pay of the top five players in the league, regardless of position…so probably a bit North of $50 million. [FYI, I am in the camp saying that Chase is one season early in asking for an extension.] [Edit: USA Today lists the top five QB average annual value as: Burrow ($55m), Lawrence ($55m), Love ($55m), Tua ($53.1m), and Goff ($53m).] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 7 minutes ago, Cricket said: I don’t think that second Franchise Tag is going to be a realistic option, as that would be at the average pay of the top five players in the league, regardless of position…so probably a bit North of $50 million. [FYI, I am in the camp saying that Chase is one season early in asking for an extension.] Gotcha. One thing though, the franchise tag is the average of the top 5 players over the last 5 seasons not the last season alone. So it won't be north of $50 million. The NFL franchise tag has several parameters, including: Value: The value of the franchise tag is the average of the top five salaries at the player's position, or 120% of the player's previous salary, whichever is greater. The NFL averages the top five cap hits for each position over the previous five years, and then adjusts that number based on the upcoming season's salary cap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 6 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said: Gotcha. One thing though, the franchise tag is the average of the top 5 players over the last 5 seasons not the last season alone. So it won't be north of $50 million. The NFL franchise tag has several parameters, including: Value: The value of the franchise tag is the average of the top five salaries at the player's position, or 120% of the player's previous salary, whichever is greater. The NFL averages the top five cap hits for each position over the previous five years, and then adjusts that number based on the upcoming season's salary cap. Ah, got it. I didn’t know that…but 2027 (year of potential 2nd tag of Chase) is three years off, so will be rising quite a bit from this year’s $38.3m tag for QBs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 5 minutes ago, Cricket said: Ah, got it. I didn’t know that. To be honest I didn't know either until Higgins got the tag and I researched into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 10 minutes ago, Cricket said: Ah, got it. I didn’t know that…but 2027 (year of potential 2nd tag of Chase) is three years off, so will be rising quite a bit from this year’s $38.3m tag for QBs. Even if NO new QB contracts are signed, by 2027 the QB Franchise tag would be at least $47.85 m. Maths. 🤓 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 1 hour ago, Cricket said: Ah, got it. I didn’t know that…but 2027 (year of potential 2nd tag of Chase) is three years off, so will be rising quite a bit from this year’s $38.3m tag for QBs. It's for each position, not regardless of position. Well we know this year the tag for WR's, (Tee Higgins) was $21.8 million. So average this seasons top 5. 1. Justin Jefferson, Minnesota Vikings: $35 million (4 years, $140 million) 2. CeeDee Lamb, Dallas Cowboys: $34 million (4 years, $136 million) 3. A.J. Brown, Philadelphia Eagles: $32 million (3 years, $96 million) 4. Amon-Ra St. Brown, Detroit Lions: $30.002 million (4 years, $120.01 million) 5 (tie). Brandon Aiyuk, San Francisco 49ers: $30 million (4 years, $120 millon) 5 (tie). Tyreek Hill, Miami Dolphins: $30 million (4 years, $120 million) 2024 season average, (so far), is $33 million. Add $21.8 million and $33 million = $54.8 million divided by 2= $27.4 million. So $27.4 million will roughly be the tag for WR's in 2025 so roughly a $5.6 million/20% increase. Increase $27.4 million by 20% and that's $32.88 million for 2026. So a rough estimate of the tag for WR's in 2026 is $32.88 million. Now I have a headache! haha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 20 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said: It's for each position, not regardless of position. I’m pretty sure that for the 2nd Franchise Tag, it IS regardless of position. Edit: it is apparently the 3rd year that it’s “regardless of position”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeds Orange Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 On 8/28/2024 at 11:52 PM, I_C_Deadpeople said: I think i have been on most if not all of those old boards, but I do not recall a Paxy Bengal On 8/29/2024 at 6:39 AM, Le Tigre said: I was on that board regularly in the ‘90’s. No recollection of that person. If anyone would know for certain, it would be Numbers Hopefully someone will see this that remembers. I don't remember if he eventually got exposed as a fraud or he just disappeared. It was over the course of one training camp, IIRC. Waybackmachine nor google searches have been any help. Trust me, it's not a Mandela Effect. 😄 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 16 minutes ago, Cricket said: I’m pretty sure that for the 2nd Franchise Tag, it IS regardless of position. In the NFL, the second franchise tag for a player is calculated by paying them 120% of their previous salary. This is because the value of a franchise tag increases with each use. * It's confusing as f#ck to say the least! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 8 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said: In the NFL, the second franchise tag for a player is calculated by paying them 120% of their previous salary. This is because the value of a franchise tag increases with each use. * It's confusing as f#ck to say the least! lol Yes, see my edit of the post you quoted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 1 minute ago, Cricket said: Yes, see my edit of the post you quoted. Gotcha. I did see it but not until after I posted the 2nd tag stuff. I must've been posting that while you were editing. All good! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 Now that I think about it lol, I forgot Chase has the 5th year option year in 2025 at $21.8 million so his 1st franchise tag would be in 2026 where the tag is roughly $32.88 million. His 2nd tag would be roughly 20% more at $39.46 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 4 hours ago, Griever said: Intensified as in guaranteed money?..😎 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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claptonrocks Posted September 1 Report Share Posted September 1 On 8/30/2024 at 1:34 PM, Randle P McMurphy said: I wasn't meaning you Jamie! lol The "talking heads". And no not David Byrne's band from back in the '70's. I was a big fan of David Byrne and the Heads awhile ago. Incredibly gifted entertainer . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted September 1 Report Share Posted September 1 50 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: I was a big fan of David Byrne and the Heads awhile ago. Incredibly gifted entertainer . Stop Making Sense is one of the better concert films ever IMO & was just remastered if you haven't seen it, or seen it lately. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted September 1 Report Share Posted September 1 “So check out mister businessman, oh-oh-oh He bought some wild, wild life On the way to the stock exchange, oh-oh-oh He got some wild, wild life” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted September 1 Report Share Posted September 1 9 hours ago, T-Dub said: Stop Making Sense is one of the better concert films ever IMO & was just remastered if you haven't seen it, or seen it lately. Absolutely .Video oh Life during Wartime is a masterpiece but so we're.many of their hits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted September 1 Report Share Posted September 1 Paying Chase 35 mil per year on an extension would be silly. There's certainly no harm in waiting. He's basing his demand on Jefferson's contract but he's not as good a player as Jefferson, at least thus far in the NFL. Jefferson has 4 year career totals of 392-5899-30. Chase has 3 year totals of 268-3717-29. So to catch JJ, he'd need to turn in a 2024 season of 124-2182-1. I'm confident he'll get more than 1 TD but he probably won't be close to 124 catches and has no chance at 2182 yards. There's also the relative value question. The argument that "the price only goes up, never down" is probably untrue. Higgins may be the top free agent WR next offseason. Nobody is going to pay him more than Jefferson. There's also a bubble in the WR market that teams don't need to participate in. Myles Garrett makes 25 mil per year and is a better player than Chase. Why should the Bengals pay Ja'Marr 40% more than Garrett makes? Or 40% more than Trent Williams makes? Or 80% more than Christian McCaffrey? It's poor resource allocation. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted September 1 Report Share Posted September 1 1 hour ago, sparky151 said: Paying Chase 35 mil per year on an extension would be silly. There's certainly no harm in waiting. He's basing his demand on Jefferson's contract but he's not as good a player as Jefferson, at least thus far in the NFL. Jefferson has 4 year career totals of 392-5899-30. Chase has 3 year totals of 268-3717-29. So to catch JJ, he'd need to turn in a 2024 season of 124-2182-1. I'm confident he'll get more than 1 TD but he probably won't be close to 124 catches and has no chance at 2182 yards. There's also the relative value question. The argument that "the price only goes up, never down" is probably untrue. Higgins may be the top free agent WR next offseason. Nobody is going to pay him more than Jefferson. There's also a bubble in the WR market that teams don't need to participate in. Myles Garrett makes 25 mil per year and is a better player than Chase. Why should the Bengals pay Ja'Marr 40% more than Garrett makes? Or 40% more than Trent Williams makes? Or 80% more than Christian McCaffrey? It's poor resource allocation. But we love Chase and will need him for JB to target ... 35 mill though..damn Something the Bengals are pondering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted September 2 Report Share Posted September 2 *Tee had an extra season though over Chase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted September 2 Report Share Posted September 2 59 minutes ago, BlackJesus said: *Tee had an extra season though over Chase. He's also been the 2nd target for all but one of those seasons. I'd expect the separation for the highest-paid WR in the league to be a little more dramatic than an average game from either one. Chase is demanding about a million per yard. Say again he gets to be the highest-paid when he's the highest scoring, or highest anything other than opinion of himself. If he doesn't suit up this week, trade him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Jersey Bengal Posted September 2 Report Share Posted September 2 14 minutes ago, T-Dub said: He's also been the 2nd target for all but one of those seasons. I'd expect the separation for the highest-paid WR in the league to be a little more dramatic than an average game from either one. Chase is demanding about a million per yard. Say again he gets to be the highest-paid when he's the highest scoring, or highest anything other than opinion of himself. If he doesn't suit up this week, trade him. The numbers dont lie Jefferson is the best WR in the nfl and deserves to be paid as such Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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