Bengals' Ja'Marr Chase hold-in is one to monitor according to Adam Schefter

[Griever]

Uhhh

 

 

[Jamie_B]

Just now, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

Burrow was getting pressure from everywhere on the line in the SB.  It didn't matter if he could see it or not. 7 sacks and 4 came from the ends,

not interior DL.  Von Miller twice.  Earnest Jones once and Leonard Floyd once. 

 

Will just agree to disagree on it.  

 

Sure but it was Donald not being blocked that kept Joe from throwing the game winning TD to..... Jamar

 

That's fine.

[Randle P McMurphy]

1 minute ago, Jamie_B said:

 

Sure but it was Donald not being blocked that kept Joe from throwing the game winning TD to..... Jamar

 

That's fine.

 

Right.  Not from his blindside.  lol  And if Ja'Marr HAD scored that TD, the #2 WR had 2 TD's.  😛

[Jamie_B]

1 minute ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

Right.  Not from his blindside.  lol  And if Ja'Marr HAD scored that TD, the #2 WR had 2 TD's.  😛

 

 

Because the GUARD didn't block and that was on his blindside. 

 

But then I don't think either of us are going to argue that a left guard is more important than a WR 1. (which Jamar is WR1)

[UncleEarl]

1 hour ago, Jamie_B said:

 

A QB (assuming they are right handed) can see a pass rush coming to him from the right side and do their best to avoid it to pass to WR1 (or a HOF TE), they can't from the left. 

 

If Trent Williams is younger I'm taking him over Jamar 11 our of 10 times. 

 

I'm taking Jamar over Sewell even today.

I was in the Sewell camp pre-draft, but I was wrong.  Chase is a spectacular player and just what the Bengals needed.  
 

On the other hand, if the Bengals can’t sign Chase and end up getting a handful of maybe (draft picks) that opinion will change. 

[Jamie_B]

1 minute ago, UncleEarl said:

I was in the Sewell camp pre-draft, but I was wrong.  Chase is a spectacular player and just what the Bengals needed.  
 

On the other hand, if the Bengals can’t sign Chase and end up getting a handful of maybe (draft picks) that opinion will change. 

 

 

He'll get signed, I don't know when (or even at all this year) but it will get done.

[T-Dub]

3 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

WR1 is always more important than RT. The Bengals were right to take Chase then, and that hasn't changed just because he wants to be paid.

 

More important, maybe, debatable. Harder to find, definitely RT, at least for the Bengals.

 

Sitting out with 2 years remaining on his contract is a factor as well though.

[Jamie_B]

Just now, T-Dub said:

 

More inportant, maybe, debatable. Harder to find, definitely RT, at least for the Bengals.

 

Sitting out with 2 years remaining on his contract is a factor as well though.

 

 

I mean the Bengals have struggled as of late to find linemen of all positions. That's a front office problem, not a what's more important RT or WR1 problem.

 

He will play this year, when is the question. He won't risk having to accrue another year.

[T-Dub]

1 minute ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

I mean the Bengals have struggled as of late to find linemen of all positions. That's a front office problem, not a what's more important RT or WR1 problem.

 

He will play this year, when is the question. He won't risk having to accrue another year.

 

If he does sit out games it'll be real interesting how things change depending on if they're 4-0 or whatever vs closer to .500 or worse.  In a sense his value goes down with every win he's not a part of & I do think they can win without him. Maybe not a SB but enough to make the postseason.  A whole lot of things have to go right for a championship that have nothing to do with him anyway.

 

End of the day I'm a Bengals fan and only care about Chase when & if he plays for the Bengals. 

 

 

[Jamie_B]

Just now, T-Dub said:

 

If he does sit out games it'll be real interesting how things change depending on if they're 4-0 or whatever vs closer to .500 or worse.  In a sense his value goes down with every win he's not a part of & I do think they can win without him. Maybe not a SB but enough to make the postseason.  A whole lot of things have to go right for a championship that have nothing to do with him anyway.

 

End of the day I'm a Bengals fan and only care about Chase when & if he plays for the Bengals. 

 

 

 

Hard to say. Jefferson's value didn't go down when he was hurt for a good part of their season.

 

Same and as such I want the game changing players signed and on the field.

[T-Dub]

Just now, Jamie_B said:

 

Same and as such I want the game changing players signed and on the field.

 

For sure, but not at whatever price their agent whispers in their ear. 

[Jamie_B]

Just now, T-Dub said:

 

For sure, but not at whatever price their agent whispers in their ear. 

 

It's going to be what the market pays, the agent may have some wish, but at the end of the day all parties will have an influence on that. That may very well be as the top paid WR and if it is that's what it is.

 

I just hope the reports of "progress is being made" gets made sooner so we can get back to football.

[Randle P McMurphy]

3 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

Jefferson's value didn't go down when he was hurt for a good part of their season.

 

Which is exactly why Chase can play this season and THEN ask for the big contract.  

[T-Dub]

8 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

It's going to be what the market pays, the agent may have some wish, but at the end of the day all parties will have an influence on that. That may very well be as the top paid WR and if it is that's what it is.

 

I just hope the reports of "progress is being made" gets made sooner so we can get back to football.

 

I don't like the sitting out now that real games are on the line and I don't like the "highest paid by one cent" hang up from a guy that hasn't consistently been top 5 at his position. 

 

Otherwise would agree that how his eventual contract impacts their budget in the long term is a problem for another day. At the rate the cap has gone up it may not matter in 2 years & he'll look like a bargain (as you've been saying). I just don't want to be like the old Lions or Carolina with a QB/WR duo and not much else.

[|SF2|]

Not playing won’t make his value go down. There are plenty of teams out there that over value WRs and will pay him.  Jefferson set the bar by playing for an organization with this mindset.  
 

I am sure if he had waited until next year, we would have paid Jefferson + more money. 

[Griever]

 

[|High School Harry|]

[dex]

On 9/2/2024 at 7:12 PM, T-Dub said:

 

 

Enough bullshit, it's game week and the practices matter.  Not amused.  This team has bigger goals than Ja'Marr Chase getting his signing bonus a year early.

In today's NFL it is no longer "a year early"...

 

 

[Cricket]

Click this link (or copy/paste):

npr.org/sections/13.7/2014/02/27/283348422/that-s-unfair-you-say-this-monkey-can-relate    

 

Then click on the video that looks like this:

 

 

 

Many of Ja’Marr’s teammates have been very supportive of Ja’Marr getting a larger group of grapes, many of whom are already getting a few grapes themselves.
 

But a majority of players on the team are only getting cucumbers.  Nice, big pieces of cucumbers…but it’s still just cucumbers.  

 

And before you dismiss this as total hogwash, just remember that one of those guys on the Bengal’s team (defensive end Jeff Gunter) has already thrown his cucumber back at the team (retired).  

[Randle P McMurphy]

4 minutes ago, dex said:

In today's NFL it is no longer "a year early"...

 

 

 

Jacksonville thinks Lawrence is their "Franchise" QB just like the Bengals do Burrow.  So that's a no brainer for Jax.  (Apples to Oranges).

 

Sewell is a dominate RT.  Dominate tackles, (left or right), are harder to find than #1 WR's.  Even one at Chase's level.

Example:  Nabors has been compared to Chase by members of the board and some in NFL circles just 3 years after Chase.  No tackle,

(left or right), has been compared to Sewell in that same time period.

 

Waddle and Smith are both #2 WR's on their team and took lesser deals TOTAL than what Chase wants in just guarantees.

They took advantage of the WR pay bubble this year and still fell well short of what Chase wants or even top 5 WR pay period!

 

Surtain.  Lockdown Corners are probably almost as rare as dominate Tackles.  

 

 

 

[dex]

8 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

Jacksonville thinks Lawrence is their "Franchise" QB just like the Bengals do Burrow.  So that's a no brainer for Jax.  (Apples to Oranges).

 

Sewell is a dominate RT.  Dominate tackles, (left or right), are harder to find than #1 WR's.  Even one at Chase's level.

Example:  Nabors has been compared to Chase by members of the board and some in NFL circles just 3 years after Chase.  No tackle,

(left or right), has been compared to Sewell in that same time period.

 

Waddle and Smith are both #2 WR's on their team and took lesser deals TOTAL than what Chase wants in just guarantees.

They took advantage of the WR pay bubble this year and still fell well short of what Chase wants or even top 5 WR pay period!

 

Surtain.  Lockdown Corners are probably almost as rare as dominate Tackles.  

 

 

 

You can talk positions all you want, but NFL teams are now signing top 10 picks after their 3rd year if their play warrants it.

 

Look at the five players from the top 10 who have not signed extensions after their 3rd year - Zach Wilson/Trey Lance/Kyle Pitts/Ja'Marr Chase/Jaycee Horn. Which one of those players are unlike the other four in terms of production? 

[claptonrocks]

1 minute ago, dex said:

You can talk positions all you want, but NFL teams are now signing top 10 picks after their 3rd year if their play warrants it.

 

Look at the five players from the top 10 who have not signed extensions after their 3rd year - Zach Wilson/Trey Lance/Kyle Pitts/Ja'Marr Chase/Jaycee Horn. Which one of those players are unlike the other four in terms of production? 

Uh Wilson and Lance..😎

[Randle P McMurphy]

1 minute ago, dex said:

You can talk positions all you want, but NFL teams are now signing top 10 picks after their 3rd year if their play warrants it.

 

Look at the five players from the top 10 who have not signed extensions after their 3rd year - Zach Wilson/Trey Lance/Kyle Pitts/Ja'Marr Chase/Jaycee Horn. Which one of those players are unlike the other four in terms of production? 

 

Yeah Chase.  I get that.  So if you want to throw out position I'm okay with that too.

 

Surtain got $77 million guaranteed.  Sewell got $85 million guaranteed.

 

Chase wants $100-110 million guaranteed.  

 

Big difference!

 

 

[Griever]

 

[dex]

4 minutes ago, Griever said:

 

Thanks, Griever.

 

This is exactly why I'm rooting for Ja'Marr Chase...it will be the best possible outcome for the future of the franchise. Let Chase set the non-QB precedent. Push the Cincinnati front office into the current NFL contract structure.

 

They can't stop what's happening around the NFL. No need for Cincinnati to fall on their own sword any longer. Get with the rest of the NFL or prepare to get left behind.