UncleEarl Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 15 hours ago, HereSince68 said: Why draft him as a #1 top receiver if you're not going to pay him as a #1 top receiver, Mike & Duke? There is a difference between paying his as a #1 WR and paying him as THE #1 WR. Timing is important, but if they use the team option next season Chase will cost $21M. They should be able to work out something unless Chase is playing hardball. If he wants some kind of deal where he is always getting paid as much as the top guy, etc. that's a hard pill to swallow. You never know when a WR's performance is going to fall off. Age, injuries, etc. Seeing that Chase got his roster bonus, he isn't risking much by refusing to play. $1M and change. Maybe he'll suit up come regular season, or maybe he wont. I'm at least glad he's around and there aren't bad feelings getting spewed all over the media. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 3 hours ago, UncleEarl said: There is a difference between paying his as a #1 WR and paying him as THE #1 WR. Timing is important, but if they use the team option next season Chase will cost $21M. They should be able to work out something unless Chase is playing hardball. If he wants some kind of deal where he is always getting paid as much as the top guy, etc. that's a hard pill to swallow. You never know when a WR's performance is going to fall off. Age, injuries, etc. Seeing that Chase got his roster bonus, he isn't risking much by refusing to play. $1M and change. Maybe he'll suit up come regular season, or maybe he wont. I'm at least glad he's around and there aren't bad feelings getting spewed all over the media. Also, realistically, by any objective stat comparison, he is simply not the best WR in the NFL. Top 10 or so sure, maybe even best at certain things, but he's not at all the clear-cut #1. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 33 minutes ago, T-Dub said: he is simply not the best WR in the NFL. I don't agree. "Best" is of course subjective. But Jefferson's skill hasn't taken his team anywhere. His stats are inflated because the rest of his team lacks weapons and he's targeted more. Whereas Ja'Marr drew double teams to allow Tee and Boyd to get their yardage and Burrow spreads the ball around better than Cousins did. I think Ja'Marr is the most "impactful" WR in the NFL. He impacts the entire game and what the defense must do. He also on any given week can go for like 200 yds and 3 tds and take over the game single handedly. That's different than being a consistent 90 yd a game WR. Ja'Marr is also extremely clutch when it matters most. Which is why he's usually in a national championship, Super Bowl, or AFC championship when he plays with Burrow who is also clutch. Is there a WR I would trade Ja'Marr for straight up that I think would be better when paired with Burrow? No. So in that way, he is the BEST WR in the NFL as it relates to the Bengals. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 Tyreek Hill is certainly more impactful than Ja'Marr in terms of forcing opponents to adjust their gameplan. Chase is a very good WR and I'd welcome an extension. But pretending he's the best WR in the league and deserves to be the highest paid is wishcasting. Chase should either discount his price a good bit if he wants to get paid this early or start practicing and be prepared to play on his current deal. IMO something like 4 years 110 mil tacked on to his current deal with a 25 mil signing bonus would be fair for both sides. Chase would get the 25 mil this year and be financially secure for life considering his 22 mil salary for 2025 is fully guaranteed. Team would prorate the signing bonus at 5 mil per year over the next 5 years so it only increases his cap hit for this season by 5 mil. Then once the extension kicks in, his cash cost is about 19 mil per year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 28 minutes ago, sparky151 said: Tyreek Hill is certainly more impactful than Ja'Marr ... Yet with all of his impact he can't even sniff a playoff win in Miami. And Hill has Waddle as a #2, who is at least as good if not better than Tee. Now of course Tua is not Burrow, but he should be good enough if Hill was the best WR in the NFL, to win at least 1 playoff game for the Dolphins. Hill is faster, but I'm not convinced he's a better WR than Ja'Marr. He's 5'8 and was a 5th Rd pick for a reason. He's a track sprinter PR / KR who figured out how to catch. He racks up highlights and yards which play well on the NFL 100, but I think he's overrated as a WR (top 10 sure, but not the best). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 Hill had 119 catches for 1799 yards and 13 TDs last year. He was voted the best player in the NFL by his peers. Chase was certainly respectable with 100 catches for 1216 yards and 7 TDs. But let's not pretend the production is close. Both players missed 1 game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, sparky151 said: Tyreek Hill is certainly more impactful than Ja'Marr in terms of forcing opponents to adjust their gameplan. Chase is a very good WR and I'd welcome an extension. But pretending he's the best WR in the league and deserves to be the highest paid is wishcasting. Chase should either discount his price a good bit if he wants to get paid this early or start practicing and be prepared to play on his current deal. IMO something like 4 years 110 mil tacked on to his current deal with a 25 mil signing bonus would be fair for both sides. Chase would get the 25 mil this year and be financially secure for life considering his 22 mil salary for 2025 is fully guaranteed. Team would prorate the signing bonus at 5 mil per year over the next 5 years so it only increases his cap hit for this season by 5 mil. Then once the extension kicks in, his cash cost is about 19 mil per year. Amon St.Brown of Detroit had a breakout year. Lions signed him 4 yrs 120.mil 30 per What's Chase worth,? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 42 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Amon St.Brown of Detroit had a breakout year. Lions signed him 4 yrs 120.mil 30 per What's Chase worth,? Slightly less with every practice he sits out, but that's just my opinion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 7 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Slightly less with every practice he sits out, but that's just my opinion Is he worth less missing practices because his talents wont fall off. Id really like to know what his agent is demanding. Maybe more than we think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnbengal Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 He's turning out to be another selfish diva. At this point I'd sign Tee. Chase has 2 years left on his contract honor it. Tee = team player Chase = self centered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Treehorn Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 5 minutes ago, cnbengal said: He's turning out to be another selfish diva. At this point I'd sign Tee. Chase has 2 years left on his contract honor it. Tee = team player Chase = self centered Chase hasn't complained or said a single thing. Tee requested a trade multiple times. What are you talking about? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnbengal Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 I see better than I hear. Tee is out there, Chase is pouting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnbengal Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 Actions speak louder than words, or no words in Chase's case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Treehorn Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 He hasn't missed a single game. He hasn't complained to the media in any way. You are assuming things before they have even happened. At least wait for him to sit a game or really disrupt something before you say he's a worse team player. If he had a nagging injury right now and had missed the last few weeks would anybody be worried about his ability to play or care at all? Would you think they should still sign Tee over him? No of course not. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnbengal Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 Tee played out his contract before he asked for a trade. Hendrickson wants a new contract , he's out there practicing... good teammate. Chase wants a new contract play this one out and let the powers that be work on it. This sets a bad example for the rest of the guys. He appear to put himself above the others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 34 minutes ago, cnbengal said: Tee is out there, Chase is pouting. ... Tee is making 22 million for suiting up this year. Chase is scheduled to make only 1 million more if he plays this season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnbengal Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 Tee is making 22 million dollars after playing out his original contract. Chase can't even honor playing out his contract 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 1 hour ago, Jackie Treehorn said: Chase hasn't complained or said a single thing. Tee requested a trade multiple times. What are you talking about? Good counter.. true.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 17 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Amon St.Brown of Detroit had a breakout year. Lions signed him 4 yrs 120.mil 30 per What's Chase worth,? Less than that. Not because he's a worse player than St Brown but because he isn't worth 30 mil at this point. Every agent wants to use some overpaid guy as their comparison. Teams want to use Puka Nacua or such as theirs. WR pay is getting out of whack as they are less impactful than QBs or pass rushers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 27 minutes ago, sparky151 said: Less than that. Not because he's a worse player than St Brown but because he isn't worth 30 mil at this point. There is no way Ja'Marr takes less than 30 mill a year. In fact, there's very little likelihood he even considers less than 33, especially with Jefferson at 35. From past comments I think he wants 35.1, so he can say it's more than Jetta, who he believes he is better than. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 The Ja'Marr Chase thing is getting ridiculous. Getting? It's beyond that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 19 minutes ago, BlackJesus said: There is no way Ja'Marr takes less than 30 mill a year. In fact, there's very little likelihood he even considers less than 33, especially with Jefferson at 35. From past comments I think he wants 35.1, so he can say it's more than Jetta, who he believes he is better than. I bet we could get 2 first round picks for him. Let the Washington Whatevers pay him instead, see how that works out for him. No one would remember he's there in 2 years but at least he could call himself the Highest-Paid WR in the NFL for a few months. That's what really matters, right? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 48 minutes ago, sparky151 said: Less than that. Not because he's a worse player than St Brown but because he isn't worth 30 mil at this point. Every agent wants to use some overpaid guy as their comparison. Teams want to use Puka Nacua or such as theirs. WR pay is getting out of whack as they are less impactful than QBs or pass rushers. Agree about overpaid but if receivers are getting these deals Chase should be included. You don't think another team would pay that for his services? They definitely would. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 He's going to get what he wants, whether that is this year or next year. All the handwringing over it is silly. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 3 minutes ago, T-Dub said: I bet we could get 2 first round picks for him. Let the Washington Whatevers pay him instead, see how that works out for him. No one would remember he's there in 2 years but at least he could call himseld the Highest-Paid WR in the NFL for a few months. That's what really matters, right? If they can't sign him and he refuses to play under his present deal then I would be interested in a trade for him 2 1sts to start the process.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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