October 9, 2024Oct 9 comment_1767864 3 hours ago, BlackJesus said: Biggest fear = More cowardly play calling I didn't see anybody talking about this, but the thing that immediately had me apoplectic when LamaRB dropped the snap was....here we are in OT, our D has been about as effective as the Maginot Line, they're inside our 40-yard line, they put the ball on the ground and instead of falling on the ball, Ossai tries (and fails) to scoop it up. Then Pratt comes in and again, instead of falling on it, tries to scoop it up. Fortunately, he succeeded. But given a chance to turn the game around, we throw fundamentals out the window and nearly miss our chance at the change of possession. On 4th down, fine. Try to scoop & score. But this wasn't 4th down. If the Ravens fall on it, they keep the ball and we miss our chance to dodge the bullet. I put that on the coaches not imparting situational awareness to the players. In that situation, you've got to know that Mission #1 is: fall on the ball. Didn't cost us here. But that doesn't mean something like this isn't going to bite us in the future. These are the little things that turn games and often separate winners from losers.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767891 Statistically Lou had one good year and one good postseason. Otherwise his defenses have been pretty bad.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767892 2 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: Statistically Lou had one good year and one good postseason. Otherwise his defenses have been pretty bad. This entire team basically had 2 good seasons. Since losing that AFCC to the Chiefs they're 10-12. We'd probably both agree they should be better than that, but the other 31 teams don't give a shit about "should".
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767902 12 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: Statistically Lou had one good year and one good postseason. Otherwise his defenses have been pretty bad. Two. You don't get to a Superbowl and a AFCC without having at least a mid-level defense. And again, we made that Superbowl because the defense was playing well, and Joe and the offense were doing just enough.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767903 4 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Two. You don't get to a Superbowl and a AFCC without having at least a mid-level defense. And again, we made that Superbowl because the defense was playing well, and Joe and the offense were doing just enough. One thing different is that in previous years we were thriving on turn overs. This year not so much. Charlie Sizzle scares the bejesus out of me every time he decides to return a kick. He already has one fumble.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767905 3 minutes ago, High School Harry said: One thing different is that in previous years we were thriving on turn overs. This year not so much. Charlie Sizzle scares the bejesus out of me every time he decides to return a kick. He already has one fumble. Yup, that has been a thing. We don't really have any ball hawks in the backfield anymore. Chuck Sizzle has been a JAG for me. I'm not sure he is an upgrade over Trent Taylor to be honest. He's younger, but I'm not sure he's really better at all.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767906 9 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Two. You don't get to a Superbowl and a AFCC without having at least a mid-level defense. And again, we made that Superbowl because the defense was playing well, and Joe and the offense were doing just enough. Agreed and in fairness to Lou, when he got here, the cupboard was really bare on D. They had to use FA to build it afterwards, because there were hardly any home-grown D players worth a isht. Last year, they sucked and I think he'd be the first to admit it... way too many explosives given up and not enough playmaking. This year, they look terrible again (actually, worse than last year, even) but with some injured guys coming back, I'll suspend judgment before declaring Lou a bad DC.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767907 4 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Yup, that has been a thing. We don't really have any ball hawks in the backfield anymore. Chuck Sizzle has been a JAG for me. I'm not sure he is an upgrade over Trent Taylor to be honest. He's younger, but I'm not sure he's really better at all. Hilton has a history of making plays but he hasn't done anything this year (when healthy). And CTB can make plays, but they cancel themselves out with explosives given up. And while DJ Turner can cover, he can't find the ball (although he did have one INT this year that was called back). Safeties are another story... they just flat-out suck. While Tre and Reader are among the best defensive FAs they've had, guys like Trae Waynes - and (so far) Geno Stone and Vonn Bell part deux are on the isht list. I was a big fan of Charlie Jones in college, but no doubt he's been a disappointment so far, especially as a receiver. The return game (both KR and PR) has been woeful and I'd like to see Burton back there for more explosiveness. Charlie had a decent KR last week, but as a PR, he's done nothing this year thus far. Tray'Veon is reliable, but just doesn't have the speed and elusiveness. If you combined Tray'Veon and Charlie, you'd have something.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767909 1 minute ago, texbengal said: Agreed and in fairness to Lou, when he got here, the cupboard was really bare on D. They had to use FA to build it afterwards, because there were hardly any home-grown D players worth a isht. Last year, they sucked and I think he'd be the first to admit it... way too many explosives given up and not enough playmaking. This year, they look terrible again (actually, worse than last year, even) but with some injured guys coming back, I'll suspend judgment before declaring Lou a bad DC. Completely agree. The cupboard was empty when he got here except for a couple of guys like Bates and Hubbard. We had to revamp things in FA and add pieces like Wilson and Pratt through the draft. Injuries, especially to the DT position hurt, but I'm not convinced we have the same level of talent we had when we got to the SB. Losing Bates hurt, losing Cheedo hurt, losing Reader, hurt. We havent done enough to replace them. If people want to hold Lou and the coaches feet to the fire for not being very good at identifying talent in the draft I can get on board with that. FA is interesting because we kind of got the perfect storm of good FAs being available at positions we needed. I'm not sure there has been good DEs, CBs, or even NT available in FA over the past two years. I could get on board that it was a coaching problem, if this defense NEVER preformed, but that's just not true.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767910 1 minute ago, texbengal said: Hilton has a history of making plays but he hasn't done anything this year (when healthy). And CTB can make plays, but they cancel themselves out with explosives given up. And while DJ Turner can cover, he can't find the ball (although he did have one INT this year that was called back). Safeties are another story... they just flat-out suck. While Tre and Reader are among the best defensive FAs they've had, guys like Trae Waynes - and (so far) Geno Stone and Vonn Bell part deux are on the isht list. I was a big fan of Charlie Jones in college, but no doubt he's been a disappointment so far, especially as a receiver. The return game (both KR and PR) has been woeful and I'd like to see Burton back there for more explosiveness. Charlie had a decent KR last week, but as a PR, he's done nothing this year thus far. Tray'Veon is reliable, but just doesn't have the speed and elusiveness. If you combined Tray'Veon and Charlie, you'd have something. Hilton has been solid but he hasnt been the playmaker he was in the past. He started slow last year too in that regard, so I guess Ill wait and see, but as guys get old that happens. Maybe Dax Hill can slide into the slot next year if we can get a true CB1? As far as the return game, we're on the same page.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767911 35 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Completely agree. The cupboard was empty when he got here except for a couple of guys like Bates and Hubbard. We had to revamp things in FA and add pieces like Wilson and Pratt through the draft. Injuries, especially to the DT position hurt, but I'm not convinced we have the same level of talent we had when we got to the SB. Losing Bates hurt, losing Cheedo hurt, losing Reader, hurt. We havent done enough to replace them. If people want to hold Lou and the coaches feet to the fire for not being very good at identifying talent in the draft I can get on board with that. FA is interesting because we kind of got the perfect storm of good FAs being available at positions we needed. I'm not sure there has been good DEs, CBs, or even NT available in FA over the past two years. I could get on board that it was a coaching problem, if this defense NEVER preformed, but that's just not true. I would not say the cupboard was bare, I would say we did not even have a cupboard.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767913 11 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: I would not say the cupboard was bare, I would say we did not even have a cupboard. Well, Hubbard had a cupboard, so there's that.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767914 16 minutes ago, texbengal said: Well, Hubbard had a cupboard, so there's that. No, that was his mother. 😎
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767915 32 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: I would not say the cupboard was bare, I would say we did not even have a cupboard. Yeah, Hubbard and Bates was pretty much it.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767918 Anarumo Year Yards Scoring 2019 29 25 2020 26 22 2021 18 17 2022 7 5 2023 31 21 2024 27 31
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767919 Saleh Year Yards Scoring 2017 24 25 2018 13 28 2019 2 8 2020 5 17 2021 32 32 2022 5 4 2023 3 12 2024 3 7
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767920 2 hours ago, texbengal said: Agreed and in fairness to Lou, when he got here, the cupboard was really bare on D. They had to use FA to build it afterwards, because there were hardly any home-grown D players worth a isht. Last year, they sucked and I think he'd be the first to admit it... way too many explosives given up and not enough playmaking. This year, they look terrible again (actually, worse than last year, even) but with some injured guys coming back, I'll suspend judgment before declaring Lou a bad DC. LDE 96 DUNLAP, CARLOS 10/2 75 Willis, Jordan 17/3 72 Wynn, Kerry U/NYG NT 99 Billings, Andrew 16/4 91 Tupou, Josh CF17 95 Wren, Renell 19/4 RDT 97 ATKINS, GENO 10/4 98 Glasgow, Ryan 17/4 RDE 94 Hubbard, Sam 18/3 58 Lawson, Carl 17/4 93 Brown, Andrew 18/5 SLB 59 Vigil, Nick 16/3 MLB 52 Brown, Preston U/Buf WLB 50 Evans, Jordan 17/6 57 Pratt, Germaine 19/3 LCB 27 Kirkpatrick, Dre 12/1 23 Phillips, Darius 18/5 SS 36 Williams, Shawn 13/3 42 Fejedelem, Clayton 16/7 FS 30 Bates III, Jessie 18/2 40 Wilson, Brandon 17/6 RCB 22 Jackson III, William 16/1 29 McRae, Tony SF16 NB 24 Webb, BW U/NYG
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767921 2 hours ago, Jamie_B said: Completely agree. The cupboard was empty when he got here except for a couple of guys like Bates and Hubbard. We had to revamp things in FA and add pieces like Wilson and Pratt through the draft. Injuries, especially to the DT position hurt, but I'm not convinced we have the same level of talent we had when we got to the SB. Losing Bates hurt, losing Cheedo hurt, losing Reader, hurt. We havent done enough to replace them. If people want to hold Lou and the coaches feet to the fire for not being very good at identifying talent in the draft I can get on board with that. FA is interesting because we kind of got the perfect storm of good FAs being available at positions we needed. I'm not sure there has been good DEs, CBs, or even NT available in FA over the past two years. I could get on board that it was a coaching problem, if this defense NEVER preformed, but that's just not true. Don't think they've drafted particularly well overall, but it doesn't matter. They talk about Tobin like a loyal golden retriever & he's not going anywhere. He could draft nothing but utter busts and he's still here until he retires.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767922 11 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said: Anarumo Year Yards Scoring 2019 29 25 2020 26 22 2021 18 17 2022 7 5 2023 31 21 2024 27 31 1 minute ago, MichaelWeston said: Saleh Year Yards Scoring 2017 24 25 2018 13 28 2019 2 8 2020 5 17 2021 32 32 2022 5 4 2023 3 12 2024 3 7 Yeah nobody here would say the Jets dont have a better defense. The fact is though they have better players I'd kill to have Sauce Gartner or DJ Reed on this team (in fact Reed is the guy I want to target in the offseason) Of course their Offense isnt very good, but hey let's not look behind that curtain.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767923 3 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Don't think they've drafted particularly well overall, but it doesn't matter. They talk about Tobin like a loyal golden retriever & he's not going anywhere. He could draft nothing but utter busts and he's still here until he retires. I think we draft pretty ok on offense, defense not so much.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767924 7 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said: LDE 96 DUNLAP, CARLOS 10/2 75 Willis, Jordan 17/3 72 Wynn, Kerry U/NYG NT 99 Billings, Andrew 16/4 91 Tupou, Josh CF17 95 Wren, Renell 19/4 RDT 97 ATKINS, GENO 10/4 98 Glasgow, Ryan 17/4 RDE 94 Hubbard, Sam 18/3 58 Lawson, Carl 17/4 93 Brown, Andrew 18/5 SLB 59 Vigil, Nick 16/3 MLB 52 Brown, Preston U/Buf WLB 50 Evans, Jordan 17/6 57 Pratt, Germaine 19/3 LCB 27 Kirkpatrick, Dre 12/1 23 Phillips, Darius 18/5 SS 36 Williams, Shawn 13/3 42 Fejedelem, Clayton 16/7 FS 30 Bates III, Jessie 18/2 40 Wilson, Brandon 17/6 RCB 22 Jackson III, William 16/1 29 McRae, Tony SF16 NB 24 Webb, BW U/NYG I think I see why the disconnect. You don't think this is a good roster do you? I believe this was Pratt's rookie year no? Can't say he was as good as he is now his rookie year, in fact he didn't start till week 6 that year. Dunlap and Atkis were not really the players they were at the height of their career, Dunlap would be let go the following year, and Atkins would get injured the following year and never really recover and ended up retiring 2 years later. Kirkpatrick was always mid and not worth much by the time Lou got here and WJ3 only ever had one good year in his entire career. In fact he was so bad Pacman Jones makes fun of him. Hubbard and Bates were pretty much it.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767925 Biggest concern has to be the safeties. Both are slower than Sunday Easter Mass. Stone ran a pedestrian 4.62 at the combine. Bell is probably a few steps slower now. Those 7 interceptions from Geno Stone last year are fools gold. Haven't seen one play from Stone this year where is was in position to get one.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767926 23 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: I think I see why the disconnect. You don't think this is a good roster do you? I believe this was Pratt's rookie year no? Can't say he was as good as he is now his rookie year, in fact he didn't start till week 6 that year. Dunlap and Atkis were not really the players they were at the height of their career, Dunlap would be let go the following year, and Atkins would get injured the following year and never really recover and ended up retiring 2 years later. Kirkpatrick was always mid and not worth much by the time Lou got here and WJ3 only ever had one good year in his entire career. In fact he was so bad Pacman Jones makes fun of him. Hubbard and Bates were pretty much it. I just posted a Depth chart of that year.
October 10, 2024Oct 10 comment_1767927 39 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Yeah nobody here would say the Jets dont have a better defense. The fact is though they have better players I'd kill to have Sauce Gartner or DJ Reed on this team (in fact Reed is the guy I want to target in the offseason) Of course their Offense isnt very good, but hey let's not look behind that curtain. Corner isn't an issue at all. They don't have better players overall. The Defensive system here is overly complicated and nonsensical. Bend but don't break doesn't work.
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