-GoBengals- Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 Several of the deeper football breakdown and guru guys are gushing over Matt Lee, and since he is strictly a Center only prospect it may play out perfectly to take over at Center after karras, who we have for 2024 and 2025 seasons. one of the good videos on youtube: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 It looks like we found something there. Would be nice to not have to worry about C or RT for the next 8-10 years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 17 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said: It looks like we found something there. Would be nice to not have to worry about C or RT for the next 8-10 years. Do you see Mims at LT for blindside pass protection in the future or keep him at RT to pile drive for backs and protect as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 Man I hope so, that'd go a long way towards making up ground lost to all the poor drafting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 7 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Do you see Mims at LT for blindside pass protection in the future or keep him at RT to pile drive for backs and protect as well? Probably can play LT but seems like he's a pretty sure thing at RT already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 12 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Do you see Mims at LT for blindside pass protection in the future ... I would leave him at RT. Let him master his craft there rather than 'musical chairs' (which the Bengals like to do on the OL). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted August 26 Author Report Share Posted August 26 13 hours ago, T-Dub said: Man I hope so, that'd go a long way towards making up ground lost to all the poor drafting. I gotta keep saying it... as far as top 3 round picks, since 2020, the bengals have a success rate of 28% on linemen. the leageu average in success rate is 32%. so if fischer or cedric had worked out, theyd be at the league average. linemen fail a LOT. the rate for rounds 1-2 is the same as rounds 3-5, which is also why people find the value in later rounds, and cheaper on the roster to give them time to grow. but as far as key picks, the bengals are 1 player shy of the league average. success being considered finishing their rookie deal and getting an extension OR being a starter on another team after their rookie deal. essentially played past the first contract. i know it feels dire and terrible being that its our team and we see each and every pick. but drafting linemen and any position really, is a crapshoot. and with there not even being half the linemen in the league being solid or better, we arent alone. 10 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: Probably can play LT but seems like he's a pretty sure thing at RT already. i agree here. 5 hours ago, BlackJesus said: ... I would leave him at RT. Let him master his craft there rather than 'musical chairs' (which the Bengals like to do on the OL). and agreed again. id rather ahve a top right tackle and keep looking at LT than a probalby ok LT and looking at RT... keep him where his skill peak is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 30 minutes ago, GoBengals said: I gotta keep saying it... as far as top 3 round picks, since 2020, the bengals have a success rate of 28% on linemen. the leageu average in success rate is 32%. so if fischer or cedric had worked out, theyd be at the league average. linemen fail a LOT. the rate for rounds 1-2 is the same as rounds 3-5, which is also why people find the value in later rounds, and cheaper on the roster to give them time to grow. but as far as key picks, the bengals are 1 player shy of the league average. success being considered finishing their rookie deal and getting an extension OR being a starter on another team after their rookie deal. essentially played past the first contract. i know it feels dire and terrible being that its our team and we see each and every pick. but drafting linemen and any position really, is a crapshoot. and with there not even being half the linemen in the league being solid or better, we arent alone. I think part of the reason it seems dire and terrible is because they'll bring in the likes of Cordy Glenn or La'ell Collins & then act like everything's golden while we watch them flail or not even get on the field. "Dennis Roland is technically the best lineman they have", shit like that does not inspire confidence. They're doing the same for OBjr who was absolutely terrible last year but they want to pretend he's amazing and golly what a leader of men. Maybe he was playing hurt and turns it around this season but either way they have this tendency of glazing players everyone knows are bad or at least underperforming. I mean, Volson's been pretty bad and I know you're not a fan. Why have they not even attempted to create some competition there? He sucks ass but there wasn't a single player available in the draft that could even challenge him? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 11 minutes ago, T-Dub said: I think part of the reason it seems dire and terrible is because they'll bring in the likes of Cordy Glenn or La'ell Collins & then act like everything's golden while we watch them flail or not even get on the field. "Dennis Roland is technically the best lineman they have", shit like that does not inspire confidence. They're doing the same for OBjr who was absolutely terrible last year but they want to pretend he's amazing and golly what a leader of men. Maybe he was playing hurt and turns it around this season but either way they have this tendency of glazing players everyone knows are bad or at least underperforming. I mean, Volson's been pretty bad and I know you're not a fan. Why have they not even attempted to create some competition there? He sucks ass but there wasn't a single player available in the draft that could even challenge him? Not too mention Burrow being the most sacked QB in the league in 2021 and 2022 then the 2023 draft rolls around and not a single OL is drafted even though there was ZERO depth! That's mind blowing! With the highest paid and top 2 QB in the league 1 or 2 OL should be taken just about every draft since their not really big spenders in FA! Last year we were lucky health wise on the OL as all 5 started 17 games yet Burrow wasn't able to finish the season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said: Not too mention Burrow being the most sacked QB in the league in 2021 and 2022 then the 2023 draft rolls around and not a single OL is drafted Yeah that was definitely a head-scratcher. Not even a flyer on some 7th rounder? Nothing? At least we're starting to see some turnover on the back end of the OL chart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 1 minute ago, T-Dub said: Yeah that was definitely a head-scratcher. Not even a flyer on some 7th rounder? Nothing? At least we're starting to see some turnover on the back end of the OL chart. Yeah. Hopefully it continues but I don't have a lot of faith in Pollack to be honest! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 https://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/position-group-breakdown-a-closer-look-at-bengals-offensive-line/V6JKPZKJARCPZGPWH4AZLDNGFQ/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted August 27 Author Report Share Posted August 27 7 hours ago, T-Dub said: I think part of the reason it seems dire and terrible is because they'll bring in the likes of Cordy Glenn or La'ell Collins & then act like everything's golden while we watch them flail or not even get on the field. "Dennis Roland is technically the best lineman they have", shit like that does not inspire confidence. They're doing the same for OBjr who was absolutely terrible last year but they want to pretend he's amazing and golly what a leader of men. Maybe he was playing hurt and turns it around this season but either way they have this tendency of glazing players everyone knows are bad or at least underperforming. I mean, Volson's been pretty bad and I know you're not a fan. Why have they not even attempted to create some competition there? He sucks ass but there wasn't a single player available in the draft that could even challenge him? Well, given the previous information i always throw around.. what exactly did you want them to do? there arent good linemen, there arent enough good linemen for even 2/3 the teams to line them up. but somehow, theyll lure fair priced good or better linemen to the roster to play in...... cincinnati ohio? with what?lucrative marketing deals? great weather? beaches? killer nightlife and entertainment? so if the top free agents arent coming to your team if you even MATCH to pdollar deals being passed out... do you overpay? seems risky with as often as the position gets banged up,. the problem is that its a problem without a solution. money cant fix it, drafting cant fix it, and half the league is all fending for the same 80 good players where they need 160. the teams with killer lines, kit the normal 30-35% hits on linemen and had rookie qb and a good market and paid top guys to come in. 6 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said: Not too mention Burrow being the most sacked QB in the league in 2021 and 2022 then the 2023 draft rolls around and not a single OL is drafted even though there was ZERO depth! That's mind blowing! With the highest paid and top 2 QB in the league 1 or 2 OL should be taken just about every draft since their not really big spenders in FA! Last year we were lucky health wise on the OL as all 5 started 17 games yet Burrow wasn't able to finish the season! well burrow himself and coaches have discussed burrow willing to take a sack rather than make a bad throw or risky throw or risk a fumble, etc. he wants every split second, i couldnt find it but someone broke down burrows sacks in 2021 or 2022 and 14 were ones he chose to eat it vs throw it away vs what other QBs do. which would have landed him middle of the pack in sacks. which isnt a ton, its less than one per game. but they add up. 51 sacks is 3 per game. not trust me, im not defending the quality of the line, im just saying we had a superbowl run with 5 worse linemen than we have right now, worse at every spot id imagine. 6 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said: Yeah. Hopefully it continues but I don't have a lot of faith in Pollack to be honest! lol interesting, why? are you saying we have killer prospects, like we nailed it, just the best drafted prospects in the league its its just all pollack not developing them? this feels like the time fans said bratkowski and the offense were at fault for losing to the chargers 49-41 because the offense was scoring too fast and didnt let the defense rest long enough to stop the chargers offense... Pollack has been playing and coaching Olines for 35 years, including the incredible cowboys lines in the 2010's. im not saying he is the best ever, but he has a good history of getting the job done. if this line with a gang of veterans and good prospects like mims, fails and looks bad while healthy.. i may be willing to take on this theory a little more.. i just generally dont like blaming coaches and coordinators who have bad players ya know... fingers crossed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 On 8/25/2024 at 9:10 PM, GoBengals said: Several of the deeper football breakdown and guru guys are gushing over Matt Lee, and since he is strictly a Center only prospect it may play out perfectly to take over at Center after karras, who we have for 2024 and 2025 seasons. one of the good videos on youtube: Could be the future. Tough with some good techniques to gain advantage for his is smaller side. Jack Ruby's should help him bulk up.. Good prospect so late in the draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 42 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Jack Ruby's should help him bulk up.. “Jack Ruby”? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 8 hours ago, GoBengals said: interesting, why? are you saying we have killer prospects, like we nailed it, just the best drafted prospects in the league its its just all pollack not developing them? this feels like the time fans said bratkowski and the offense were at fault for losing to the chargers 49-41 because the offense was scoring too fast and didnt let the defense rest long enough to stop the chargers offense... Pollack has been playing and coaching Olines for 35 years, including the incredible cowboys lines in the 2010's. im not saying he is the best ever, but he has a good history of getting the job done. if this line with a gang of veterans and good prospects like mims, fails and looks bad while healthy.. i may be willing to take on this theory a little more.. i just generally dont like blaming coaches and coordinators who have bad players ya know... fingers crossed. The "incredible" line you mention consisted of 1st round pick LT, Tyron Smith, a top 10 pick that slid LG Lael Collins, 1st round pick at C, Travis Frederick, 1st round pick at RG, Zach Martin and a 7 year vet at RT, Doug Free! Basically 4 first round picks and a solid vet. That's more a case of being in the right place at the right time more than good/great coaching! He was an asst. OL coach with the Texans for 5 seasons. How were those lines? 2 seasons as the Jets OL coach. Not exactly known for great OL play. 93 sacks in 2 seasons. 2012 Raiders. So his "good history", consists of 3 seasons with basically 4 first round picks and a 7 year vet. The Cowboys let him walk! Last year we had all 5 OL start all 17 games how did that turn out? 4 of the 5 still here with Trent Brown and Mims added. As far as Burrow taking a sack instead of risking a bad throw or fumbling, ask yourself why that is. Could of been the WR running the wrong route? Sure! Just as likely though it could have been poor pass protection! If the OL play doesn't improve this year, I'm not "willing to take on this theory a little more". I'm looking for a new OL Coach! A good OL Coach can develop lesser talented players. He's not done that here unless you want to hang his hat on Volson. The vets that come in on the OL have taken steps backwards. Guess whose shoulders that falls on? So unless we draft OL in the 1st round and hit on them in the next 2 or 3 drafts were fucked! lol Regardless, Burrow will be lucky to finish out his current contract at the rate things are going and it's Pollack's job and responsibility to protect him! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 2 hours ago, Le Tigre said: “Jack Ruby”? OT (not so) fun fact... Did you know Jeff Ruby survived the Beverley Hills Supper Club fire? Carry on... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 One thing I notice is that at this very early point, Matt Lee looks better than Billy Price did at the same point? Yes? No? Seem to remember Price looking like Bluto doing The Roach at the Toga Party in "Animal House" several times in preseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 13 minutes ago, High School Harry said: OT (not so) fun fact... Did you know Jeff Ruby survived the Beverley Hills Supper Club fire? Carry on... I didn't know that but I remember that fire. I was 10 years old and we lived in Covedale. You could see the glow of the fire from our house! We moved to Florida the next month. (Not because of the fire!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 18 minutes ago, High School Harry said: One thing I notice is that at this very early point, Matt Lee looks better than Billy Price did at the same point? Yes? No? Seem to remember Price looking like Bluto doing The Roach at the Toga Party in "Animal House" several times in preseason. Billy Price tore his pectoral muscle at the combine. Serious injury so I'm not sure that's a fair comparison. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 17 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said: Billy Price tore his pectoral muscle at the combine. Serious injury so I'm not sure that's a fair comparison. had forgotten that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 5 hours ago, Le Tigre said: “Jack Ruby”? No relation to Jeff, "Ruby" isn't even his birth name. Still acts like he's a mobster though, at least according to friends that worked for him. There were definitely a fair number of old guys in track suits and pinky rings at his old nightclub before it shut down so who knows? Not hard to believe a guy that came up running hotels in New Jersey might have those connections. He sure wanted people to think so, at least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 14 minutes ago, T-Dub said: No relation to Jeff, "Ruby" isn't even his birth name. Still acts like he's a mobster though, at least according to friends that worked for him. There were definitely a fair number of old guys in track suits and pinky rings at his old nightclub before it shut down so who knows? Not hard to believe a guy that came up running hotels in New Jersey might have those connections. He sure wanted people to think so, at least. Jeff Ruby owns The Precinct. Jack Ruby shot someone in a precinct. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 7 minutes ago, High School Harry said: Jeff Ruby owns The Precinct. Jack Ruby shot someone in a precinct. Jack had a club called The Carousel in Austin (among others). That place was still around last time I was there. BYOB with an organ player, it was a trip. Jeff Ruby changed his name to Ruby for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 14 hours ago, GoBengals said: Well, given the previous information i always throw around.. what exactly did you want them to do? Try? You're absolutely right that finding good OL in the draft or as free agents is difficult. That means they have to put more effort into it, not less. They seem to have found a starting OT & at least promising backup C & T/G in one draft. I would like them to continue to focus on this each offseason going forward instead of ignoring it until there are gaping holes in the roster. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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