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1 hour ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

 

 

 

Moss's yards after contact last year were 1.9 to Mixon's 1.4.  So half a yard.  The only time Moss has had a significant amount of

starts was last year and only 8.  Mixon has had 88 so of course last year his YAC was down just from wear and tear.  

 

 

 

Even though offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher doesn't mention Mixon by name here, he does explain why Moss gives them a different kind of RB. An article excerpt from The Athletic:

 

When the Bengals turned their attention from the decision to trade Joe Mixon to the free-agent market, eyes immediately went to Moss. Sure, he shined when taking over for Jonathan Taylor early last season and continued to excel in a complementary role, but they were hunting specific situations.

Particularly, Pitcher and his staff wanted to see shotgun, downhill, gap run plays. That’s the scheme they have leaned heavily into — we’re talking matching 6-8, 345-plus-pound bookends Trent and Orlando Brown heavy

They found Moss running that scheme well. And in significant quantities.

“I love his patience,” Taylor said. “I love his eye discipline.”

All part of a career of repetition, in Moss’ mind.

“That’s something I’ve just adapted to really easy, and it just made the game so much easier,” Moss said of his extensive use in shotgun during his career. “I have a real good understanding of what my guys are doing in front of me. … You can manipulate the defense a little bit more than you can when you’re under center.

As nice as all those patient shotgun runs were, the shiftiness and contact balance at the second level scratched the Bengals right in the explosive itch, turning 6 yards into 12, 12 into 18, 18 into 24.

“He’s got some explosive plays — long, long runs in the resume — but he’s got a ton of these,” Pitcher said, breaking down a 23-yard run against the Los Angeles Rams in which he broke tackles at the second level and stayed up for 8 extra yards, powering through the safeties. “When you are looking back and writing articles on Sunday night and Monday morning, these are the runs that might get lost in the shuffle. But then when you go back and watch, and there are two in every game, that is... massive for the offense."

It’s also massive to find explosives that didn’t previously exist. The 225-pound Mixon punished tacklers at impact, wearing down defenses, majoring in efficiency and avoiding negative runs. The slight difference with Moss, for Pitcher, was how he didn’t deliver as powerful a blow but showed a propensity to stay upright.

“He plays with a natural low pad level, but without an overarching forward lean,” Pitcher said. “A lot of guys play with a heavy forward lean; they are physical finishers, but it’s hard for them to keep their feet. He plays with low pads, low center of gravity without a ton of forward lean, so he keeps his feet better as he plays through contact. It might not be punishing blows on third-level players, but they are getting glancing blows and he’s staying on his feet to grind out an extra 4 or 5 more.”

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3 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

I have never been a fan of RB by committee. When you have to play different guys at a position because neither can do it all it gives you a tell as to what your offense is going to do because you're now playing to the strengths of the guy on the field. I have little expectation that our running game is going to be good this year, and that still has a lot to do with our o-line's lack of run-blocking ability, but add into it the committee stuff and I don't see us doing much in the running game, if all we do is stay at the level we were with Mixon, I think that will be the expectation I have.  I think the guys who blamed Mixon for the lack of running game and not the O-line have been drinking large amounts of copeium, because fixing it by fixing the O-line is a lot harder than replacing one RB. Hope I'm wrong, but I'll be surprised.

 

Consider the possibility that neither Mixon nor the OL were very good.

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Even though offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher doesn't mention Mixon by name here, he does explain why Moss gives them a different kind of RB. An article excerpt from The Athletic:

 

When the Bengals turned their attention from the decision to trade Joe Mixon to the free-agent market, eyes immediately went to Moss. Sure, he shined when taking over for Jonathan Taylor early last season and continued to excel in a complementary role, but they were hunting specific situations.

Particularly, Pitcher and his staff wanted to see shotgun, downhill, gap run plays. That’s the scheme they have leaned heavily into — we’re talking matching 6-8, 345-plus-pound bookends Trent and Orlando Brown heavy

They found Moss running that scheme well. And in significant quantities.

“I love his patience,” Taylor said. “I love his eye discipline.”

All part of a career of repetition, in Moss’ mind.

“That’s something I’ve just adapted to really easy, and it just made the game so much easier,” Moss said of his extensive use in shotgun during his career. “I have a real good understanding of what my guys are doing in front of me. … You can manipulate the defense a little bit more than you can when you’re under center.

As nice as all those patient shotgun runs were, the shiftiness and contact balance at the second level scratched the Bengals right in the explosive itch, turning 6 yards into 12, 12 into 18, 18 into 24.

“He’s got some explosive plays — long, long runs in the resume — but he’s got a ton of these,” Pitcher said, breaking down a 23-yard run against the Los Angeles Rams in which he broke tackles at the second level and stayed up for 8 extra yards, powering through the safeties. “When you are looking back and writing articles on Sunday night and Monday morning, these are the runs that might get lost in the shuffle. But then when you go back and watch, and there are two in every game, that is... massive for the offense."

It’s also massive to find explosives that didn’t previously exist. The 225-pound Mixon punished tacklers at impact, wearing down defenses, majoring in efficiency and avoiding negative runs. The slight difference with Moss, for Pitcher, was how he didn’t deliver as powerful a blow but showed a propensity to stay upright.

“He plays with a natural low pad level, but without an overarching forward lean,” Pitcher said. “A lot of guys play with a heavy forward lean; they are physical finishers, but it’s hard for them to keep their feet. He plays with low pads, low center of gravity without a ton of forward lean, so he keeps his feet better as he plays through contact. It might not be punishing blows on third-level players, but they are getting glancing blows and he’s staying on his feet to grind out an extra 4 or 5 more.”

 

Okay so he has explosive runs.  Those same runs go into his average yards per carry which for his career are 4.3 to Mixon's 4.1.  

What's happening the other times where he doesn't break off a long run if there's only 0.2 yards difference in yards per carry? 

 

If those explosive/longer runs go for TD's then were onto something.   

 

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17 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

Okay so he has explosive runs.  Those same runs go into his average yards per carry which for his career are 4.3 to Mixon's 4.1.  

What's happening the other times where he doesn't break off a long run if there's only 0.2 yards difference in yards per carry? 

 

If those explosive/longer runs go for TD's then were onto something.   

 

I'll take a 4.2 average as a good starting point.

 

You could make the same point about subtracting Mixons explosive runs and see how his 4.1 drops..

 

Bottom line for me is I don't believe the Oline is a good unblocking unit.

 

These massive humans are to form a wall to protect JB so any back running behind them will have to get extra yardage on their own as Mixon tried but fell short in doing.

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10 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

I'll take a 4.2 average as a good starting point.

 

You could make the same point about subtracting Mixons explosive runs and see how his 4.1 drops..

 

Bottom line for me is I don't believe the Oline is a good unblocking unit.

 

These massive humans are to form a wall to protect JB so any back running behind them will have to get extra yardage on their own as Mixon tried but fell short in doing.

 

I didn't subtract Moss's explosive runs though.  It's 4.3 (Moss) to 4.1 (Mixon).  All runs.  Career. 

 

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Love the charitable work orgs do for hunger.

Tees look great as well.

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