The Good, the Volson, & The Volson

[UncleEarl]

6 minutes ago, Griever said:

This humiliation cannot continue, it must be fixed for next season.

 

Will Mims be the player that breaks the 12 year curse of the Bengals not being able to draft a decent starting offensive lineman? 

 

12 years is not only bad luck.

[Griever]

[texbengal]

1 hour ago, Griever said:

 

Cappa was good his first couple of years. Below average since, IMO. And Volson has shown flashes, but really not sustained improvement. Our OL, save for Mims, is really unathletic, too.

Joe got clobbered last night, and yes, some of that is how he plays the game, and holds onto the ball until the last second more than most QBs. Personally, I wish some of the late hits, like Maxx Crosby and yesterday with Humphrey (for example) would get some measure of retribution from some of the OL. 

[Jamie_B]

2 hours ago, Griever said:

 

 

If you're going to do that you need to do it when you face a team that has a mediocre Dline. Dont ruin the kid by putting him against a good one right away.

[claptonrocks]

4 hours ago, Griever said:

This humiliation cannot continue, it must be fixed for next season.

 

So do we draft an interior olineman in say round 3 if a very good one is there?

 

I don't see them pulling out big bucks for one with Chase and others contracts on the horizon.

 

I say pull the trigger on getting a young Stud early 

 

[Griever]

13 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

 

So do we draft an interior olineman in say round 3 if a very good one is there?

 

I don't see them pulling out big bucks for one with Chase and others contracts on the horizon.

 

I say pull the trigger on getting a young Stud early 

 

This is the way

[PatternMaster]

2 hours ago, texbengal said:

 

Cappa was good his first couple of years. Below average since, IMO. And Volson has shown flashes, but really not sustained improvement. Our OL, save for Mims, is really unathletic, too.

Joe got clobbered last night, and yes, some of that is how he plays the game, and holds onto the ball until the last second more than most QBs. Personally, I wish some of the late hits, like Maxx Crosby and yesterday with Humphrey (for example) would get some measure of retribution from some of the OL. 

 

This team as a whole needs some nasty, this where I think the personality of the HC is a detriment to the team...Taylor is a nice, quiet guy but football is a violent game and we need nasty on both sides of the ball. 

[texbengal]

51 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

 

So do we draft an interior olineman in say round 3 if a very good one is there?

 

I don't see them pulling out big bucks for one with Chase and others contracts on the horizon.

 

I say pull the trigger on getting a young Stud early 

 

You can get very good interior OL in the draft that can start for you immediately, and play well. Just this year, guys like Cooper Beebe in Dallas and Dominick Puni in SF were taken in round 3 and were day one starters. Puni, in particular, is playing really well. KC got Trey Smith in round 6 and he’s been starting since he got there. Pro Bowl-quality. Creed Humphrey, second round, same year, same thing. Tyler Smith is All-Pro level and he started as a rookie. 
 

Other than Mims, Bengals have whiffed mightily on OL talent, especially early. So it’s definitely possible, but you gotta take the right guys. 

[stan]

17 hours ago, PatternMaster said:

Volson sucks....that is all

Wait! Didn't the Bengals center,I think his last name is Karras.Say Volson can be a hall of fame guard? Seems to me, I remember him saying that,when he first started playing for the Bengals.

[T-Dub]

28 minutes ago, stan said:

Wait! Didn't the Bengals center,I think his last name is Karras.Say Volson can be a hall of fame guard? Seems to me, I remember him saying that,when he first started playing for the Bengals.

 

Well, I mean, he could be an admiral in His Majesty's Royal Navy. He won't be, obviously, but technically it could happen.

 

Like the Bengals FO could draft two good quality guards that can start immediately. Highly unlikely, but the opportunity is there.

[I_C_Deadpeople]

If we get a 3rd round comp for Tee, I would not mind if our first 4 picks were DE, G,G, CB

[PatternMaster]

21 hours ago, High School Harry said:

The lad did have a rough night, didn't he?

 

Rough night, more like career

[PatternMaster]

15 hours ago, stan said:

Wait! Didn't the Bengals center,I think his last name is Karras.Say Volson can be a hall of fame guard? Seems to me, I remember him saying that,when he first started playing for the Bengals.

 

Ok...what's your point...my Mom told me I could do whatever I wanted to do professionally when I was 8...neither my mom or Karras were being realistic or honest with others or themselves 

[Jungletiger]

Where is the OL man that is going to get in the defense's face when they hit JB late?  Unless I missed it, not once did I see a line man blow up about him getting hit.  I saw an apology by one of em last time, but c'mon.

[T-Dub]

3 hours ago, Jungletiger said:

Where is the OL man that is going to get in the defense's face when they hit JB late?  Unless I missed it, not once did I see a line man blow up about him getting hit.  I saw an apology by one of em last time, but c'mon.

 

 

Bunch of lames to let that go on all night. Mims is a rookie so I don't expect him to be starting shit, I guess Ford was busy trying not to drown, but the rest of them are sorry & I don't mean as an apology.  What teammates.  Everyone gets beat sometimes but you better be mad about it.  Don't get bullied. too.

[Randle P McMurphy]

4 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

 

Bunch of lames to let that go on all night. Mims is a rookie so I don't expect him to be starting shit, I guess Ford was busy trying not to drown, but the rest of them are sorry & I don't mean as an apology.  What teammates.  Everyone gets beat sometimes but you better be mad about it.  Don't get bullied. too.

 

I'd guess when Pollack said he wanted, "glass eaters", on the OL Mike Brown thought he said, "ass eaters", and gave him Karras, Volson and Cappa!

 

 

[-GoBengals-]

21 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

I'd guess when Pollack said he wanted, "glass eaters", on the OL Mike Brown thought he said, "ass eaters", and gave him Karras, Volson and Cappa!

 

 

 

aside from the mike brown involvement nonsense, this is funny.

 

 

[BBR]

On 11/8/2024 at 5:45 PM, I_C_Deadpeople said:

If we get a 3rd round comp for Tee, I would not mind if our first 4 picks were DE, G,G, CB

 

Don't forget, the comp pick for leaving after this season would be in the 2026 draft, not the 2025 draft.

[Cricket]

22 minutes ago, BBR said:

 

Don't forget, the comp pick for leaving after this season would be in the 2026 draft, not the 2025 draft.

Plus, if we sign more “qualified” free agents than we lose, we won’t get any comp picks.

 

 

[|High School Harry|]

As good a place as any to put this but it is telling... 

woof

 

 

[KA14_HOF]

I'm surprised Stone cracked the Top 90.

[Jamie_B]

2 hours ago, High School Harry said:

As good a place as any to put this but it is telling... 

woof

 

 

 

 

Adding in how poorly our defensive drafts have been lately and is it any wonder we are struggling?

[dex]

On 11/8/2024 at 11:09 AM, Griever said:

Pollock says he chose Cappa and Volson because they were glass-eaters, but the real reason is their length. There are only four or five guards who are 6-6 or taller...Cappa/Volson are two of them. All OL coaches love tall tackles with long arms because they play out in space. For some reason Pollock thinks that it's great for guards to be extremely tall too, even though leverage is so important in pass protection. You don't want DTs to be able to get under the guards as they try to collapse the pocket, but that happens to the Bengals guards all the time because they can't get low enough.

[texbengal]

34 minutes ago, dex said:

Pollock says he chose Cappa and Volson because they were glass-eaters, but the real reason is their length. There are only four or five guards who are 6-6 or taller...Cappa/Volson are two of them. All OL coaches love tall tackles with long arms because they play out in space. For some reason Pollock thinks that it's great for guards to be extremely tall too, even though leverage is so important in pass protection. You don't want DTs to be able to get under the guards as they try to collapse the pocket, but that happens to the Bengals guards all the time because they can't get low enough.

Yes they both get bulled some - there were a few egregious ones last week that I remember. The other thing is, this OL (especially the interior) is really un-athletic, except for Mims. Not much recovery ability once they're beaten, or effective blocking in space/getting to the second level. Would expect this area to get some attention this off-season. 

[sparky151]

Bring back Anthony Collins. He got beat off the snap almost every time but was fantastic at recovering.