LostInDaJungle Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 Half baked ideas and poor execution. It's worth a read. https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/allbengals-insiders-plus/film-breakdown-here-s-why-the-cincinnati-bengals-running-game-is-a-disaster-01jbeprd8824 2 Quote
Jamie_B Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 Mike comes on the Bengals Talk podcast once a week and really offers some great insight 1 Quote
KA14_HOF Posted October 31 Report Posted October 31 16 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said: Half baked ideas and poor execution. It's worth a read. https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/allbengals-insiders-plus/film-breakdown-here-s-why-the-cincinnati-bengals-running-game-is-a-disaster-01jbeprd8824 This was very interesting ... and extraordinarily depressing. 1 1 Quote
sparky151 Posted October 31 Report Posted October 31 https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5881386/2024/10/29/bengals-defensive-regression-anarumo/ Here's a piece from Dehner from a couple days ago about the defensive blunders vs the Eagles. 1 Quote
T-Dub Posted October 31 Report Posted October 31 8 hours ago, KA14_HOF said: This was very interesting ... and extraordinarily depressing. Yeah gotta love the sports media slowly returning to the old standby topic of "Why do the Bengals suck?" Don't they know we went to a Super Bowl?! 2 Quote
KA14_HOF Posted October 31 Report Posted October 31 Just wallowing in the ineptitude of our run game, I remembered that stat posted in another thread the other day that showed we were dead last in rush proficiency (or something like that) at ~19%. And it mentioned that the #31-ranked team was over 30%. That means we could improve our rushing attack by 50%, a lofty goal for any team, and one that would significantly enhance our offense, and STILL be ranked dead last. We are so bad, that merely climbing from #32 to #31 would be a vast improvement. I'll be out on the ledge.... 1 Quote
LostInDaJungle Posted October 31 Author Report Posted October 31 4 hours ago, sparky151 said: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5881386/2024/10/29/bengals-defensive-regression-anarumo/ Here's a piece from Dehner from a couple days ago about the defensive blunders vs the Eagles. I broke this down earlier in the week... CTB passes Brown off to no one. Either Stone is playing too deep because he doesn't know the play, or CTB should have carried the guy. Lou: Quote Anarumo said they were worried about screens and a QB draw that is a tendency for the Eagles in those situations and could have had more depth from Davis-Gaither stalking Barkley. What???? Backup a sec... What he thinks went wrong on that play was that Gaither didn't give up on the outlet route/screen to take their #1 receiver 16 yards downfield? So Brown brings him inside and Barkley gets to steamroll CTB? HOW is that the call against a single weak side receiver? I worked for the government for over a decade, and that is still one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Seriously, we need better coaches. If you look at that and your take away is that the only guy actually covering someone on that side of the field wasn't covering him soft enough... We're in trouble boys. You have three other guys standing there covering nothing but grass. 2 3 Quote
KA14_HOF Posted October 31 Report Posted October 31 Rushing only 3 on 3rd-and-16 is painful enough. But it's hard to put into words how utterly impossible it is to drop 8 guys into coverage and somehow allow an opposing receiver to be open without a defender within 10 yards of him. But we somehow pulled it off. When I saw this play in real time, I was spitting-nails mad that CTB just passed Brown off to the 15-yard line so he could defend....the NFL logo on the turf? This is the type of stuff that you wouldn't even do if you were trying to throw the game, because it would be too obvious that you were TRYING to let the other team convert. We blow 4th-and-16 to KC, rushing only 3. So we learn from that by....doing the exact same thing here...only worse. I guess, techincally, we DID learn from the KC game. We learned that if your DB is in the next zip code, you don't have to worry about being flagged for pass interference. How can a professional football team be this inept? 1 Quote
Le Tigre Posted October 31 Report Posted October 31 1 hour ago, KA14_HOF said: We are so bad, that merely climbing from #32 to #31 would be a vast improvement. I have the wonderful memories of what simply had to be the worst Bengals run game: 1993. A line of worn-out Kozerski/Walter…plus the All-Volson trio of Tom Scott/Thomas Rayam/Ken Moyer. Put an overmatched Harold Green, along with the wondrous Derrick Fenner…and ineptitude ensued. And this was a Dave Shula-inspired offense where the RUN was to be featured—even with Klingler. This rush offense now is like Walter Payton Bears compared to that dross of ‘93 1 1 Quote
-GoBengals- Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 Peoples whose opinions on football that mean anything to me ^^^^^^ he seems to have overlooked the fact that we have to position ONE of the backs as an extra lineman to help block, and who is in and where they are is sadly, a bit of a tell perhaps, but at best, its enough to not be able to hide the intent, if Moss is in front of Joe, with his hand in Volsons pocket, he isnt 1. getting the ball on a handoff, or 2. likely going out for a screen even. similar to how when you put a guy in motion you can get a clue into what coverage is being run on defense, when you setup the defense and you move the RB after calling out the block scheme, odds are he is blocking and not running a route, shoutout to Mike here tho for knowing more about formations and schemes than most people covering the team. this article is well written, but it is written with the blinders of other issues the offense has that the RB's are helping cover up, which henders the run game on its own aside from the thing he mentions. about 1-2 out of 5 of his articles are insightful, and the rest feels like he mails it in to hit a deadline. he is more useful than Paul Dehner Jr. 2 Quote
Jamie_B Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 We aren't using the RB as an extra blocker on every play, and as evidenced by Moss taking a backseat to Brown in number of snaps. And even when Moss is in he does run the ball from time to time. I'd also argue that alot of teams use a RB to block. Quote
claptonrocks Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 18 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said: I broke this down earlier in the week... CTB passes Brown off to no one. Either Stone is playing too deep because he doesn't know the play, or CTB should have carried the guy. Lou: What???? Backup a sec... What he thinks went wrong on that play was that Gaither didn't give up on the outlet route/screen to take their #1 receiver 16 yards downfield? So Brown brings him inside and Barkley gets to steamroll CTB? HOW is that the call against a single weak side receiver? I worked for the government for over a decade, and that is still one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Seriously, we need better coaches. If you look at that and your take away is that the only guy actually covering someone on that side of the field wasn't covering him soft enough... We're in trouble boys. You have three other guys standing there covering nothing but grass. Good stuff Lost. I'm surprised our secondary is playing this bad at this point. Geno Stone has the worst grade if any safety in the league. They can't trust Battle? How could he be any worse? I don't see a solution unless they get more pressure on opposing QBs which isn't happening. This is do or die against the Raiders and I'm not sure they can win this. Sad state of affairs. 1 Quote
|High School Harry| Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 3 hours ago, Jamie_B said: We aren't using the RB as an extra blocker on every play, and as evidenced by Moss taking a backseat to Brown in number of snaps. And even when Moss is in he does run the ball from time to time. I'd also argue that alot of teams use a RB to block. I like(d) seeing Drew Sample back there. Yeah, an extra blocker but maybe throw one of the famous horizontal passes to him in the flat and letting him stomp some d backs or... even bring back the old Paul Brown behind the back draw play. The Bengals are driving me absolutely crackers with ZERO creativity in the play calling. Well... with the exception of a horizontal pass to Ja'Marr on 4th and short. 2 Quote
claptonrocks Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 4 minutes ago, High School Harry said: I like(d) seeing Drew Sample back there. Yeah, an extra blocker but maybe throw one of the famous horizontal passes to him in the flat and letting him stomp some d backs or... even bring back the old Paul Brown behind the back draw play. The Bengals are driving me absolutely crackers with ZERO creativity in the play calling. Well... with the exception of a horizontal pass to Ja'Marr on 4th and short. I keep beating a dead horse on playing Trayveon Williams but he may be able to boost the run game so I'll continue until he proves me wrong. Moss has become very mediocre imo. 1 Quote
T-Dub Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 16 minutes ago, High School Harry said: I like(d) seeing Drew Sample back there. Yeah, an extra blocker but maybe throw one of the famous horizontal passes to him in the flat and letting him stomp some d backs or... even bring back the old Paul Brown behind the back draw play. The Bengals are driving me absolutely crackers with ZERO creativity in the play calling. Well... with the exception of a horizontal pass to Ja'Marr on 4th and short. I'd like to see them go no huddle more and let Joe call his shots. Sometimes they look like they're running a complete NFL offense but then a lot of times it looks simplified and dumbed down for some reason. I assume that's part limitations of different personnel packages and part a HC needing to do HC things while also calling plays. Really wish he'd turn that over to an OC that has pro experience. This dude was an assistant QB coach. I think he may have a little too much on his plate and is clearly missing Callahan to lean on. 2 Quote
T-Dub Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 13 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: I keep beating a dead horse on playing Trayveon Williams but he may be able to boost the run game so I'll continue until he proves me wrong. Moss has become very mediocre imo. He's an average back. Adrian Peterson couldn't make this Bengal's ground game work. Williams ain't gonna do shit for them unless he can play guard. Quote
claptonrocks Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 12 minutes ago, T-Dub said: He's an average back. Adrian Peterson couldn't make this Bengal's ground game work. Williams ain't gonna do shit for them unless he can play guard. Probably right...sigh. 1 Quote
Jamie_B Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 54 minutes ago, High School Harry said: I like(d) seeing Drew Sample back there. Yeah, an extra blocker but maybe throw one of the famous horizontal passes to him in the flat and letting him stomp some d backs or... even bring back the old Paul Brown behind the back draw play. The Bengals are driving me absolutely crackers with ZERO creativity in the play calling. Well... with the exception of a horizontal pass to Ja'Marr on 4th and short. I just said in the other thread that if Moss is out for longer than a week they should but Sample back there as an H-Back, so were on the same page. 1 Quote
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