Steve Young says you have to look at Ownership

[TigerJ@w]

https://thenoise.com/bengals/steve-young-takes-shot-at-bengals-ownership-joe-burrow-mike-brown-jamarr-chase-defense-2024-season-playoff-odds-nfl/

 

 

[MichaelWeston]

Ownership is fine. One of the best in the league actually. 

[TigerJ@w]

Sarcasm?

[T-Dub]

14 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

Ownership is fine. One of the best in the league actually. 

 

 

[MichaelWeston]

I am serious. Brian Callahan cried when he left. The team is loyal to a city when they could leave and make way more money. They have pumped money into the team on both lines. 

 

They are doing the right things but having bad outcomes. They are not cheap. That's an illogical take that is repeated by people who don't really know whats going on. 

 

 

[MichaelWeston]

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/_/year/2024/sort/cap_active/dir/desc

[gupps]

9 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

I am serious. Brian Callahan cried when he left. The team is loyal to a city when they could leave and make way more money. They have pumped money into the team on both lines. 

 

They are doing the right things but having bad outcomes. They are not cheap. That's an illogical take that is repeated by people who don't really know whats going on. 

 

 

So they are basically nice but incompetent? 

 

 

Sounds about right.

[MichaelWeston]

I'd agree with that. 

 

There are teams like the browns that fire their coach and GM every year and that's nonsense and then we have the bengals who take forever to fire their coach and probably will never fire their gm. I like patience but we have way too much patience. 

[Randle P McMurphy]

9 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

I am serious. Brian Callahan cried when he left. The team is loyal to a city when they could leave and make way more money. They have pumped money into the team on both lines. 

 

They are doing the right things but having bad outcomes. They are not cheap. That's an illogical take that is repeated by people who don't really know whats going on. 

 

 

 

The Cincinnati Bengals worked out two free agents on Monday night. The first one, running back Leonard Fournette, was not offered a contract. The second one, cornerback Xavien Howard, was offered a contract and a chance to reunite with Lou Anarumo, who was his defensive backs coach in Miami in 2016 and 2017. However, the four-time Pro Bowler reportedly threw Cincy’s offer right back in the Bengals’ face.

 

It’s a surprising revelation for a cornerback who openly said he doesn’t need a team to empty their pockets, especially if they were a contender.

 

 

 

So trading for a scrub RB and signing another scrub RB to the practice squad was the right thing to do at the trade deadline?!

 

I would say Xavien Howard knows what's going on more than you or anyone else on this board.

 

Fans that continually defend ownership and continually throw cash at ownership for season tickets etc. etc. etc. are the reason

ownership can continue to operate the way they do.  (Why leave Cincinnati when there's a line of dolts running across the bridge

into Kentucky willing to buy anything/everything Bengals regardless!?)

 

9 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/_/year/2024/sort/cap_active/dir/desc

 

You know teams have to spend a minimum percentage of the cap right?  So just because they've spent the most on the

"Active 53 Man Roster," doesn't mean they're not cheap.  It has to be spent somewhere and since they have the LOWEST

amount in "Dead Cap Space," it goes elsewhere.  Speaking of, why do they have the lowest amount in dead cap space?

Because they are "fiscally responsible?"  A nicer way of saying cheap!?  

[UncleEarl]

If ownership is incompetent, well then, there is an ownership problem. 

 

The easiest thing to fix is the scouting staff.  It only takes money and some effort.  

 

As long as the Bengals continue to lose more than they should, and have a small staff dominated by family members this is what people are going to say. 

 

They aren't wrong.

[Jamie_B]

11 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

I am serious. Brian Callahan cried when he left. The team is loyal to a city when they could leave and make way more money. They have pumped money into the team on both lines. 

 

They are doing the right things but having bad outcomes. They are not cheap. That's an illogical take that is repeated by people who don't really know whats going on. 

 

 

 

 

It's not a matter of being cheap with contracts, they have changed since the Carson Palmer days on that, plus there are rules on this stuff now forcing the issue.

 

It's HOW the structure those contracts, their refusal to push any guaranteed years past year one unless it's QB (We might have been able to keep Jessie Bates if we did) 

 

It's their refusal to modernize and upsize the scouting department to even be middle of the league.

 

To say that this Ownership isn't a problem is to have your head in the sand.

[claptonrocks]

12 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

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13 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

Ownership is fine. One of the best in the league actually. 

 

 

To quote a John McEnroe phrase..

 "You can't be serious"

Your the only person the planet that believes that.

[PatternMaster]

12 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

I am serious. Brian Callahan cried when he left. The team is loyal to a city when they could leave and make way more money. They have pumped money into the team on both lines. 

 

They are doing the right things but having bad outcomes. They are not cheap. That's an illogical take that is repeated by people who don't really know whats going on. 

 

 

 

Sure, u know more than all the ex-players, coaches, executives, and reporters who say differently. 

 

13 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

Ownership is fine. One of the best in the league actually. 

 

By what metric would you say the Brown family is one of the best in the NFL. They are the least valuable team in the NFL, they never won a Superbowl despite having control of the team for almost 60 years.

 

They are one if the worst ownership groups in all of pro sports, not just the NFL. 

[-GoBengals-]

oh thank god, steve young via the noise dot com, the pinnacle of football coverage.

[dex]

2 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

It's not a matter of being cheap with contracts, they have changed since the Carson Palmer days on that, plus there are rules on this stuff now forcing the issue.

 

It's HOW the structure those contracts, their refusal to push any guaranteed years past year one unless it's QB (We might have been able to keep Jessie Bates if we did) 

 

 

This is it exactly. Either structuring big contracts the way the other 31 NFL teams do, or prepare to get left behind. 

 

They had an ultra rare franchise QB fall into their laps. That is something over 25 NFL teams still need and dream about happening to them the way it did for the Bengals. They would not squander the opportunity of a lifetime by stubbornly believing that they can continue to structure all non-QB contracts the "Bengals way" and be truly elite, even with Burrow on their side. It's impossible. 

[-GoBengals-]

3 minutes ago, dex said:

This is it exactly. Either structuring big contracts the way the other 31 NFL teams do, or prepare to get left behind. 

 

They had an ultra rare franchise QB fall into their laps. That is something over 25 NFL teams still need and dream about happening to them the way it did for the Bengals. They would not squander the opportunity of a lifetime by stubbornly believing that they can continue to structure all non-QB contracts the "Bengals way" and be truly elite, even with Burrow on their side. It's impossible. 

 

its delusional that fans think they know what the bengals are offering contract structure wise.

 

Frankly the only thing they need to change is their policy of not discussing contracts publicly, and leak info like agents do.

 

Chase for example

 

1. Chase came to them for an early extension

2. Chase asked for MORE money than Jefferson

3. The bengals MET THAT NUMBER

4. The hangup was 100% guaranteed or not. Bengals we were willing to pay him MORE THAN JEFFERSON just not be a fully garaunteed deal since they met him with the number that seems fair. and his agent leaks info to the shit media that they are being cheap and not offering fair money.

5. since the bengals dont slander players and agent and leak shit to the media, they take it on the chin

6. dumbfuck fans call bengals, and more hilariously, mike brown, cheap for it.

 

 

I also appreciate the bengals LOLing at agents putting in the media that their player has requested a trade. the bengals dont blink an eye at this tactic, dumbass fans gobble that shit up tho.. TREY WANTS OUT!!!1111. no he doesnt, he wants a longer contract after signing one a few months ago.  both players after their agents told the shefter crowd they wanted a trade said they wanted to stay here and both showed up to camp and both played.

 

but fans WANT to blame the bengals, they WANT to think they are cheap based on some shit from 1996 and player luxuries. which is hilarious cause the SAME fans who call the bengals cheap, which the only cheap shit they ever did was not have luxury shit for players, are the EXACT SAME FANS who call the players soft primadonnas who are too cottled and pampered..

 

the falcons have a 22.2 mil cap hit for a safety in EACH of the next two years. they are 1 game over .500 in the worst division in the nfl. the only team with a winning record in their division. im not sure thats a deal to be too proud of. wonder if thats why tey ALREADY restructed it to give themselves an our after this season with a 16mil cap hit?!?!?!

 

 

[-GoBengals-]

There are the details of joes deal, the team protections, the player injury protections, the insurance coverage for cash protection against injury, the options for bonus structure, the no trade clause joe requested, etc..

 

this is done very well, but the bengals need to structure like other teams? like ballooning the final year or two so they HAVE to cut trade or restructure deals?  Joes 2029 is 68 mil, prescotts 2028 is 72 million. thats what other teams do. dak wont be seeing that 2028 72 million most likely. he also got a no tag clause on top of a no trade clause in his deal. 

 

lazy media + dumb biased fans = fandome hell.

 

[|Montana Bengal|]

18 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

There are the details of joes deal, the team protections, the player injury protections, the insurance coverage for cash protection against injury, the options for bonus structure, the no trade clause joe requested, etc..

 

this is done very well, but the bengals need to structure like other teams? like ballooning the final year or two so they HAVE to cut trade or restructure deals?  Joes 2029 is 68 mil, prescotts 2028 is 72 million. thats what other teams do. dak wont be seeing that 2028 72 million most likely. he also got a no tag clause on top of a no trade clause in his deal. 

 

lazy media + dumb biased fans = fandome hell.

 

 

I wish my boss was this cheap.

[MichaelWeston]

5 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

The Cincinnati Bengals worked out two free agents on Monday night. The first one, running back Leonard Fournette, was not offered a contract. The second one, cornerback Xavien Howard, was offered a contract and a chance to reunite with Lou Anarumo, who was his defensive backs coach in Miami in 2016 and 2017. However, the four-time Pro Bowler reportedly threw Cincy’s offer right back in the Bengals’ face.

 

It’s a surprising revelation for a cornerback who openly said he doesn’t need a team to empty their pockets, especially if they were a contender.

 

 

 

So trading for a scrub RB and signing another scrub RB to the practice squad was the right thing to do at the trade deadline?!

 

I would say Xavien Howard knows what's going on more than you or anyone else on this board.

 

Fans that continually defend ownership and continually throw cash at ownership for season tickets etc. etc. etc. are the reason

ownership can continue to operate the way they do.  (Why leave Cincinnati when there's a line of dolts running across the bridge

into Kentucky willing to buy anything/everything Bengals regardless!?)

 

 

You know teams have to spend a minimum percentage of the cap right?  So just because they've spent the most on the

"Active 53 Man Roster," doesn't mean they're not cheap.  It has to be spent somewhere and since they have the LOWEST

amount in "Dead Cap Space," it goes elsewhere.  Speaking of, why do they have the lowest amount in dead cap space?

Because they are "fiscally responsible?"  A nicer way of saying cheap!?  

 

 

Fournette played 2 games last year and that's it. He's old and washed. We didn't sign him because he's not as good as Herbert. 

 

I believe the Bengals wanted to put Howard, a street free agent that no team has signed coming off injury at age 31, on the practice squad and he didn't want that. 

 

Fans aren't the problem.....the team would make more money in another city. 

 

 

[Randle P McMurphy]

1 hour ago, MichaelWeston said:

 

 

Fournette played 2 games last year and that's it. He's old and washed. We didn't sign him because he's not as good as Herbert. 

 

I believe the Bengals wanted to put Howard, a street free agent that no team has signed coming off injury at age 31, on the practice squad and he didn't want that. 

 

Fans aren't the problem.....the team would make more money in another city. 

 

 

 

The article clearly states Fournette wasn't offered a contract.  That wasn't what I was referring to.  I was referring to you 

saying the Bengals are doing the right things but having bad outcomes.  The right thing was to trade for a scrub RB when you

have a HORRIBLE defense!?  Then double down and sign another RB to the PS!?

 

 

[dex]

3 hours ago, GoBengals said:

 

its delusional that fans think they know what the bengals are offering contract structure wise.

 

Frankly the only thing they need to change is their policy of not discussing contracts publicly, and leak info like agents do.

 

Chase for example

 

1. Chase came to them for an early extension

2. Chase asked for MORE money than Jefferson

3. The bengals MET THAT NUMBER

4. The hangup was 100% guaranteed or not. Bengals we were willing to pay him MORE THAN JEFFERSON just not be a fully garaunteed deal since they met him with the number that seems fair. and his agent leaks info to the shit media that they are being cheap and not offering fair money.

5. since the bengals dont slander players and agent and leak shit to the media, they take it on the chin

6. dumbfuck fans call bengals, and more hilariously, mike brown, cheap for it.

 

 

 

 

"4. The hangup was 100% guaranteed or not.".

 

To quote yourself, what "lazy media" source did you pull that little nugget from? 100 PERCENT GUARANTEED...you mean Chase demanded a never-seen-before long term contract like Deshawn Watson's and like no other in the NFL  including Joe Burrow? Do you really believe that? That would be ludicrous for any NFL player to ask for 100 percent guaranteed on a long term extension, and beyond insane to ask for it from the Bengals front office. Do you really believe Chase's agent is that far removed from reality?

 

I'm sure his agent asked for a huge percentage of guaranteed money, as he should, but certainly not 100 percent. That's just crazy. Unless someone can prove otherwise, I feel confident in saying that NEVER HAPPENED. 

 

So in conclusion  I do agree with you about one thing here though...lazy media + biased fans = fandom hell.

[MichaelWeston]

28 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

The article clearly states Fournette wasn't offered a contract.  That wasn't what I was referring to.  I was referring to you 

saying the Bengals are doing the right things but having bad outcomes.  The right thing was to trade for a scrub RB when you

have a HORRIBLE defense!?  Then double down and sign another RB to the PS!?

 

 

Who did you want them to trade for?

 

The market dictates things

 

AND that's not the owner. 

[Randle P McMurphy]

3 hours ago, GoBengals said:

There are the details of joes deal, the team protections, the player injury protections, the insurance coverage for cash protection against injury, the options for bonus structure, the no trade clause joe requested, etc..

 

this is done very well, but the bengals need to structure like other teams? like ballooning the final year or two so they HAVE to cut trade or restructure deals?  Joes 2029 is 68 mil, prescotts 2028 is 72 million. thats what other teams do. dak wont be seeing that 2028 72 million most likely. he also got a no tag clause on top of a no trade clause in his deal. 

 

lazy media + dumb biased fans = fandome hell.

 

 

Dak's contract was for 4 years and Burrow's was for 5 years.  ALSO, Burrow had 2 years left on his rookie deal when he signed

the 5 year extension whereas Dak was in the final year of his deal so of course Dak's numbers are going to be higher.  300 divided 

by 4 VS. 275 divided by 7.  That's common sense!  

[Randle P McMurphy]

11 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

Who did you want them to trade for?

 

The market dictates things

 

AND that's not the owner. 

 

6 DL and 2 CB's were traded and others were available.  The Bengals come out with 2 RB's when they pass 64% of the time.  

Makes perfect sense!  🤪

[sparky151]

43 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

Who did you want them to trade for?

 

The market dictates things

 

AND that's not the owner. 

 

Josh Uche would have been a good addition for the Bengals. Chiefs got him cheaply.

 

Bengals ownership is not very good. Look at the team's winning % under Mike Brown's ownership. There is a big nepotism problem with the team. 

 

Moving elsewhere isn't an option as the team would have to be put up for sale and it's probably worth more under competent ownership than under the Brown family. But most of the value was given to them so they aren't fighting to maximize it, ala Jerry Jones. Jones hasn't been back to the Superbowl in 30 years but he's won it 3 times and is clearly a better owner than Brown.