MichaelWeston Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 We are at 60 players for 2025 QB Burrow 29 Browning 26 RB Brown 27 Moss 26 Milton 26 Brightwell WR Chase 26 Jones 27 WR Burton 28 Pryor Burgess WR Iosivas 27 Williams 27 TE Sample 27 All 28 Grandy 25 McClachlan 28 LT Brown 27 Cochran 26 LG Volson 26 C Karras 26 Lee 28 RG Cappa 26 Steuber 26 Manning RT Mims 29 Kirkland 25 Coker K McPherson 28 York 25 P Rehkow 25 LS Adomitis 25 LE Hubbard 26 Murphy 27 Thomas 26 LT Jackson 28 RT Rankins 26 Jenkins 28 RE Hendrickson 26 Johnson 28 Johnson WLB Pratt 26 Heyward 26 Young MLB Wilson 28 Njongmeta 27 S Battle 27 Key S Stone 26 Anderson 26 Jules CB Hill 27 Newton 28 Brooks CB Taylor-Britt 26 Turner 27 Abraham NB Anthony 28 Ivey 27 Robinson 28 2 Quote
Griever Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 8 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: We are at 60 players for 2025 QB Burrow 29 Browning 26 RB Brown 27 Moss 26 Milton 26 Brightwell WR Chase 26 Jones 27 WR Burton 28 Pryor Burgess WR Iosivas 27 Williams 27 TE Sample 27 All 28 Grandy 25 McClachlan 28 LT Brown 27 Cochran 26 LG Volson 26 C Karras 26 Lee 28 RG Cappa 26 Steuber 26 Manning RT Mims 29 Kirkland 25 Coker K McPherson 28 York 25 P Rehkow 25 LS Adomitis 25 LE Hubbard 26 Murphy 27 Thomas 26 LT Jackson 28 RT Rankins 26 Jenkins 28 RE Hendrickson 26 Johnson 28 Johnson WLB Pratt 26 Heyward 26 Young MLB Wilson 28 Njongmeta 27 S Battle 27 Key S Stone 26 Anderson 26 Jules CB Hill 27 Newton 28 Brooks CB Taylor-Britt 26 Turner 27 Abraham NB Anthony 28 Ivey 27 Robinson 28 Thanks for doing this MW. Remind me again of the color code legend? 1 Quote
MichaelWeston Posted January 8 Author Report Posted January 8 19 minutes ago, Griever said: Thanks for doing this MW. Remind me again of the color code legend? Red are guys coming off IR Yellow are futures guys Green are restricted or Exclusive free agents 1 2 Quote
I_C_Deadpeople Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 That seems like an OK contract for a backup RB? Quote
esjbh2 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 11 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: That seems like an OK contract for a backup RB? Thinking the same thing. We need another good RB, preferrably a vet...and Zack seemed to do okay when he was healthy. I love Chase Brown but think he's best in a rotational situation. Quote
claptonrocks Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 On 1/8/2025 at 12:05 AM, MichaelWeston said: We are at 60 players for 2025 QB Burrow 29 Browning 26 RB Brown 27 Moss 26 Milton 26 Brightwell WR Chase 26 Jones 27 WR Burton 28 Pryor Burgess WR Iosivas 27 Williams 27 TE Sample 27 All 28 Grandy 25 McClachlan 28 LT Brown 27 Cochran 26 LG Volson 26 C Karras 26 Lee 28 RG Cappa 26 Steuber 26 Manning RT Mims 29 Kirkland 25 Coker K McPherson 28 York 25 P Rehkow 25 LS Adomitis 25 LE Hubbard 26 Murphy 27 Thomas 26 LT Jackson 28 RT Rankins 26 Jenkins 28 RE Hendrickson 26 Johnson 28 Johnson WLB Pratt 26 Heyward 26 Young MLB Wilson 28 Njongmeta 27 S Battle 27 Key S Stone 26 Anderson 26 Jules CB Hill 27 Newton 28 Brooks CB Taylor-Britt 26 Turner 27 Abraham NB Anthony 28 Ivey 27 Robinson 28 Dax and Turner and Newton should start CBT, Ivey and Anthony backups. Looks deep to me. The biggest holes I see are at G and another NT to rotate with Jackson. 2 Quote
sparky151 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 40 minutes ago, esjbh2 said: Thinking the same thing. We need another good RB, preferably a vet...and Zack seemed to do okay when he was healthy. I love Chase Brown but think he's best in a rotational situation. I'd prefer a rookie. Unless we go after Derrick Henry or something. RB is a young man's position. Agree we need to pair another starting caliber RB with Brown. 23 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Dax and Turner and Newton should start CBT, Ivey and Anthony backups. Looks deep to me. The biggest holes I see are at G and another NT to rotate with Jackson. Dax may well be on PUP at the start of next season and even if not, he may be a bit gimpy, ala Chido a couple years ago. Agree we need to upgrade both guard spots, but we also need more pass rush. We have basically none outside of Hendrickson. 1 Quote
MichaelWeston Posted January 10 Author Report Posted January 10 43 minutes ago, esjbh2 said: Thinking the same thing. We need another good RB, preferrably a vet...and Zack seemed to do okay when he was healthy. I love Chase Brown but think he's best in a rotational situation. I'd agree with you both because he is basically being paid 3.3M when you consider the 1.5 is dead already. However, this is supposed to be a VERY deep RB class. I assume they cut Cappa-Hubbard-Rankins Stone is maybe 50/50 Moss is also 50/50 Then maybe Pratt....who is also not overly paid for his production but had a down year. 1 Quote
sparky151 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 Yes, the team can get a good RB on day 3 of the draft. We won't have to cut any vets until we have their replacements signed. And we can do extensions for Ja'Marr and Trey after the draft before camp. Bengals rolled 5.9 mil from 2024 to the 2025 cap yesterday. Quote
claptonrocks Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 50 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said: I'd agree with you both because he is basically being paid 3.3M when you consider the 1.5 is dead already. However, this is supposed to be a VERY deep RB class. I assume they cut Cappa-Hubbard-Rankins Stone is maybe 50/50 Moss is also 50/50 Then maybe Pratt....who is also not overly paid for his production but had a down year. I would keep Pratt and Hubbard. Hubbs played with injuries He's still a good edge defender.. Pratt is indeed a good value. Quote
claptonrocks Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 4 hours ago, Griever said: One and done for Moss? Cut him... Draft a hard pounding rook to team with Brown. Quote
MichaelWeston Posted January 10 Author Report Posted January 10 40 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Cut him... Draft a hard pounding rook to team with Brown. Problem is we only have 6 picks. Traded 7th rounder for Herbert. I would bet as someone else said they re-sign Herbert and hold on to Moss until they see how the draft falls. 3 Quote
sparky151 Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 3 hours ago, claptonrocks said: I would keep Pratt and Hubbard. Hubbs played with injuries He's still a good edge defender.. Pratt is indeed a good value. Hubbard has been poor for 2 years now. He's past his expiration date and shouldn't be taking up a roster spot anymore. He's certainly not a starter. Ossai won't be back, given his agent is Mulugheta. That leaves Murphy as our presumptive starter with his 0 sacks in 2024. So we need a starting caliber LDE, whether from free agency, the draft, or trade. I'd also keep Pratt if he looks like a decent player in next preseason but he was poor this year. Watch him trying and missing to tackle Spears and Pollard in the Titans game. It was humiliating for him. 2 Quote
MichaelWeston Posted January 11 Author Report Posted January 11 48 minutes ago, sparky151 said: Hubbard has been poor for 2 years now. He's past his expiration date and shouldn't be taking up a roster spot anymore. He's certainly not a starter. Ossai won't be back, given his agent is Mulugheta. That leaves Murphy as our presumptive starter with his 0 sacks in 2024. So we need a starting caliber LDE, whether from free agency, the draft, or trade. I'd also keep Pratt if he looks like a decent player in next preseason but he was poor this year. Watch him trying and missing to tackle Spears and Pollard in the Titans game. It was humiliating for him. I heard today, from a friend of a friend of a friend kind of thing, that Hubbard is retiring and this was always going to be his last year. It makes a lot of sense as to why he was playing so much and why he was playing with injuries. I have no idea if its true. I didn't realize Mulugheta was his agent. I will stop penciling his return. He is 100% gone. 1 2 Quote
saphead Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 Just think Joey B made it thru the season relatively unscathed and has another offseason for that wrist to fully heal. He should come out absolutely smoking next year. 1 Quote
Griever Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, saphead said: Just think Joey B made it thru the season relatively unscathed and has another offseason for that wrist to fully heal. He should come out absolutely smoking next year. Thought about this myself. With Zac contemplating wholesale changes to the off-season and training camp, wouldn't be surprised to see JoeyB take some more series in the preseason and catch fire sooner than ever. Quote
LostInDaJungle Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 If I was GM, in order of priority: Get Tee and Jamarr signed. Ideally, give them Jefferson deals that push big cap hits into void years. Ideally, their combined cap for 2025 is around $26M. Cut Rankins. Hubbard either takes a pay cut or looks for a new job. - $54M cap space. Chase Young: 4 year deal, $13M APY. ($10M cap hit) DJ Reed: 4 year deal, $11M APY. ($8M cap hit) - $36M Cap space Geisecki or comparable: $6M Hill or comparable: $10M Hilton or comparable: $5M If you can cut Cappa and sign a better player with the same money, do it. -$15M cap space Extend Hendrickson 3 years with a $5M "workout bonus" for 2025. This is the most flexible area... Go ahead and spend any unused/rollover cap to front load him. -$10M cap space: Rookie pool and in season emergencies RD1: DT/Edge RD2: Secondary RD3: OG RD4: OG 1 2 Quote
claptonrocks Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 10 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said: If I was GM, in order of priority: Get Tee and Jamarr signed. Ideally, give them Jefferson deals that push big cap hits into void years. Ideally, their combined cap for 2025 is around $26M. Cut Rankins. Hubbard either takes a pay cut or looks for a new job. - $54M cap space. Chase Young: 4 year deal, $13M APY. ($10M cap hit) DJ Reed: 4 year deal, $11M APY. ($8M cap hit) - $36M Cap space Geisecki or comparable: $6M Hill or comparable: $10M Hilton or comparable: $5M If you can cut Cappa and sign a better player with the same money, do it. -$15M cap space Extend Hendrickson 3 years with a $5M "workout bonus" for 2025. This is the most flexible area... Go ahead and spend any unused/rollover cap to front load him. -$10M cap space: Rookie pool and in season emergencies RD1: DT/Edge RD2: Secondary RD3: OG RD4: OG Outstanding Lost. I don't see Gesicki at 6 mil 7.5 per 3 yrs.. Someone gonna offer him that. Cutting Cappa no brainer. BJ Hill.. 2 yrs..6 per. Is Chase Young really that good of a pass rusher for that type money? 1 Quote
sparky151 Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 My try: Assuming ownership won't allow much backloading. Starting cap space: 58.6 mil https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cincinnati-bengals Definitely cut Hubbard (or let him retire without reclaiming his prorated signing bonus), Rankins, Cappa. Probably cut Moss and Stone. Probably don't cut Pratt. Savings (including Moss and Stone but not Pratt): 36 mil So about 94 mil to work with. I think Tee would take 3/80 with a charge of 26 mil in 2025. Chase would get 4/144 on the extension with a 50 mil signing bonus prorated over 5 years. So an additional 10 mil to his 21.8 mil current charge. Back to 58 mil available. Hendrickson gets a 2/50 extension with 15 mil signing bonus, ie 5 mil per year in proration. Now at 53 mil in space. Tender ERFAs Kirkland, Rehkow, and Grandy. 2.8 mil total Adomitis is a RFA but don't tender him, just re-sign him for vet min plus a small signing bonus. 1 mil Let BJ Hill, Hilton, T Brown, Wilson, Ossai, Bachie, Bell, Williams, Tufele, D Smith, York, Evans, and Herbert go. Maybe re-sign some later in FA for vet min contracts. Re-sign Ford with a small raise. Also C Sample, ADG, and Hudson with a pay reduction for ADG. Let's say 5 mil combined. Down to 45 mil in cap space. It depends partly on the new DC's scheme but I'd like to find 2 veteran starting guards for the offense, a starting DE or CB1, and a couple of veteran DTs and maybe a vet LB with that space. So let's go: Gesicki re-signed for 7 per year. There are lots of guards available who are better than Volson and Cappa. Let's say Tevin Jenkins and Dalton Risner for a combined 12 mil per year. But it could be Laken Tomlinson, Kevin Zeitler, James Daniels, etc. Add a RB in the draft on day 3 and that rounds out the offense with 26 mil left for defense. Let's say we sign Maurice Hurst and Teair Tart as the backups to Jenkins and Jackson for a combined 5 mil. How about Khalil Mack for LDE? He's old but still productive. He went from 18 sacks in 2023 to 7 in 2024 but was still pretty efficient. His PFF grade was higher than Hendrickson's when he played but he played about 200 fewer snaps than Trey last year. As a designated pass rusher, he'd be good. He's coming off a contract that paid 19 mil per year but his next one will be less due to his age. Spotrac says he's worth 7 mil on a 1 year deal but that seems way low. 1 1 Quote
sparky151 Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 43 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Outstanding Lost. I don't see Gesicki at 6 mil 7.5 per 3 yrs.. Someone gonna offer him that. Cutting Cappa no brainer. BJ Hill.. 2 yrs..6 per. Is Chase Young really that good of a pass rusher? Just asking.. Young scored middle of the pack in PFF but his total pressures was top 10 in the NFL. 1 Quote
LostInDaJungle Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 1 hour ago, claptonrocks said: Outstanding Lost. I don't see Gesicki at 6 mil 7.5 per 3 yrs.. Someone gonna offer him that. Cutting Cappa no brainer. BJ Hill.. 2 yrs..6 per. Is Chase Young really that good of a pass rusher for that type money? That's a mid tier contract. He's only 25-26. He's shown big flashes, and has an injury history. Really... That's "Sam Hubbard" money. Is he better than Sam Hubbard?? F yes. Do I mean just this year's version of Sam Hubbard? Nope. Dude was a #2 pick for a reason. Potential is off the charts. With Hendrickson being the major threat one one side... Young is one of those guys I think is on the cusp. The APY is taken from OTC's valuation. I'm not just making up a number. DJ Reed is also priced at his OTC valuation. Geisecki... Or comparable. There's a budget on that position, because we have a long history of making the most of who we plug in. Same for Hill and Hilton. If Geisecki wants $7.5 Mil, we move on to the next Hayden Hurst, etc... If Hilton gets $7M from some other team, you go after a different slot CB. Cappa had a bad year... I don't think you cut him until you know you have his replacement. We need two OG's... And Volson is the guy who lost his starting job. Cappa is still expensive insurance. And you also have an OL coach to hire and get his feedback. I'm going to hold off on cutting Cappa for the time being. I don't think you get BJ Hill for $6 per. He was $11M for us last year. He has a $10M APY valuation, and is one of the top FA DT's on the market this year. Again, that's a position with a budget. We need the depth if nothing else. (And if BJ Hill is worth $10M... Chase Young for $13M anyone?) I also have to point out that in my scenario, the only players we "break the mold" for are Chase and Higgins. They're the only ones signed with void years, etc... Katie still gets to write "Madden 2025" contracts for Reed and Young. If I wanted to get really adventurous, I could easily find another $10-20M in cap space without cutting anyone else. 1 3 Quote
claptonrocks Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 25 minutes ago, LostInDaJungle said: That's a mid tier contract. He's only 25-26. He's shown big flashes, and has an injury history. Really... That's "Sam Hubbard" money. Is he better than Sam Hubbard?? F yes. Do I mean just this year's version of Sam Hubbard? Nope. Dude was a #2 pick for a reason. Potential is off the charts. With Hendrickson being the major threat one one side... Young is one of those guys I think is on the cusp. The APY is taken from OTC's valuation. I'm not just making up a number. DJ Reed is also priced at his OTC valuation. Geisecki... Or comparable. There's a budget on that position, because we have a long history of making the most of who we plug in. Same for Hill and Hilton. If Geisecki wants $7.5 Mil, we move on to the next Hayden Hurst, etc... If Hilton gets $7M from some other team, you go after a different slot CB. Cappa had a bad year... I don't think you cut him until you know you have his replacement. We need two OG's... And Volson is the guy who lost his starting job. Cappa is still expensive insurance. And you also have an OL coach to hire and get his feedback. I'm going to hold off on cutting Cappa for the time being. I don't think you get BJ Hill for $6 per. He was $11M for us last year. He has a $10M APY valuation, and is one of the top FA DT's on the market this year. Again, that's a position with a budget. We need the depth if nothing else. (And if BJ Hill is worth $10M... Chase Young for $13M anyone?) I also have to point out that in my scenario, the only players we "break the mold" for are Chase and Higgins. They're the only ones signed with void years, etc... Katie still gets to write "Madden 2025" contracts for Reed and Young. If I wanted to get really adventurous, I could easily find another $10-20M in cap space without cutting anyone else. Point taken... Good analysis.... Quote
sparky151 Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 3 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said: That's a mid tier contract. He's only 25-26. He's shown big flashes, and has an injury history. Really... That's "Sam Hubbard" money. Is he better than Sam Hubbard?? F yes. Do I mean just this year's version of Sam Hubbard? Nope. Dude was a #2 pick for a reason. Potential is off the charts. With Hendrickson being the major threat one one side... Young is one of those guys I think is on the cusp. The APY is taken from OTC's valuation. I'm not just making up a number. DJ Reed is also priced at his OTC valuation. Geisecki... Or comparable. There's a budget on that position, because we have a long history of making the most of who we plug in. Same for Hill and Hilton. If Geisecki wants $7.5 Mil, we move on to the next Hayden Hurst, etc... If Hilton gets $7M from some other team, you go after a different slot CB. Cappa had a bad year... I don't think you cut him until you know you have his replacement. We need two OG's... And Volson is the guy who lost his starting job. Cappa is still expensive insurance. And you also have an OL coach to hire and get his feedback. I'm going to hold off on cutting Cappa for the time being. I don't think you get BJ Hill for $6 per. He was $11M for us last year. He has a $10M APY valuation, and is one of the top FA DT's on the market this year. Again, that's a position with a budget. We need the depth if nothing else. (And if BJ Hill is worth $10M... Chase Young for $13M anyone?) I also have to point out that in my scenario, the only players we "break the mold" for are Chase and Higgins. They're the only ones signed with void years, etc... Katie still gets to write "Madden 2025" contracts for Reed and Young. If I wanted to get really adventurous, I could easily find another $10-20M in cap space without cutting anyone else. Yeah, there is a lot of cap space available around the league. Bengals have lots of cap room but are only about 10th on the list. Guys like Hill, Ossai, and Hilton will get offers from other teams. But I'm fine with turning over the defensive personnel. A lot of underachievers for us there. The guys on rookie contracts should be kept around but if we let all our defensive free agents leave plus cut some vets like Hubbard and Rankins, we'll still be fine. 1 1 Quote
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