MichaelWeston Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 18 minutes ago, sparky151 said: Did he get even 1 regular season snap this year? I'd expect the team to re-sign Hudson since he's cheap. It's no guarantee he makes the roster next year but the team has to make a decision on Gesicki. If they re-sign Higgins and extend Chase, do they want to give Mike 7-8 mil per year or put that into another position, whether guard for offense or just about anywhere on the defense. 5 Quote
sparky151 Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 I must have blinked and missed McLachlan's 2024 season. Quote
dex Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 Potential Bengals player cuts & savings: Rankins cap savings 8.6M dead money 2.M Cappa cap savings 8M dead money 2.3M Pratt cap savings 5.7M dead money 2.3M Stone cap savings 6.5M dead money 1.5M Moss cap savings 3.3M dead money 1.5M Hubbard cap savings 9.5M dead money 2M 1 Quote
T-Dub Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 2 hours ago, dex said: Potential Bengals player cuts & savings: Rankins cap savings 8.6M dead money 2.M Cappa cap savings 8M dead money 2.3M Pratt cap savings 5.7M dead money 2.3M Stone cap savings 6.5M dead money 1.5M Moss cap savings 3.3M dead money 1.5M Hubbard cap savings 9.5M dead money 2M I think Rankins and/or Moss are the only likely cuts and I wouldn't bet on them either. Replacing both guards is a tall order, we'd be lucky to upgrade from Ford. They won't give up on Stone that fast, Hubbard and Pratt stay due to familiarity. They keep their vets at least a year past their expiration date as a rule. They also seem more willing to accept poor performance over dead cap and value loyalty over competition. They've also got new defensive and OL coaches coming in so who knows how these guys might respond. Don't be surprised if a couple of dudes that have looked like bums suddenly turn it around. Quote
dex Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 41 minutes ago, T-Dub said: I think Rankins and/or Moss are the only likely cuts and I wouldn't bet on them either. Replacing both guards is a tall order, we'd be lucky to upgrade from Ford. They won't give up on Stone that fast, Hubbard and Pratt stay due to familiarity. They keep their vets at least a year past their expiration date as a rule. They also seem more willing to accept poor performance over dead cap and value loyalty over competition. They've also got new defensive and OL coaches coming in so who knows how these guys might respond. Don't be surprised if a couple of dudes that have looked like bums suddenly turn it around. Because this season was so bitterly disappointing, I think they will be changing up a lot of things from the way they have done in the past. You and I both thought they would retain all of their coaches, but they dumped quite a few of them the Monday morning after the reg season ended. In that press conference Zac Taylor said they would be evaluating all of the players in the building. I don't think it was just coach speak this time. Paul Dehner, who dubbed Al Golden as the frontrunner for DC the day Anarumo was fired, is convinced that this is a new era of real coach/player accountability. has Rankins ranked as a 100% cut, Cappa at 90%, Pratt at 80%. I believe Rankins and Cappa are both gone as the savings would be too great. Al Golden, if he takes the DC job, may make the big decision on Pratt. I think Hubbard ends up back on the team but on a restructured deal at a significant reduction in pay. Maybe Stone survives because the savings would not be all that great. He played better after Battle took over for Bell. Moss is like 50-50 for me. There isn't a lot of savings by cutting him, but that injury he's recovering from is not a good one for a RB. 1 Quote
T-Dub Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 28 minutes ago, dex said: Because this season was so bitterly disappointing, I think they will be changing up a lot of things from the way they have done in the past. You and I both thought they would retain all of their coaches, but they dumped quite a few of them the Monday morning after the reg season ended. < ✂️ This is true & if Zac doesn't right the ship next season I honestly think they might fire him, too. On the one hand I'm glad they're angry and swinging the axe but I also feel like they need to look in the mirror as well. Tobin's drafting hasn't done them any favors but he seems untouchable. I'm not at all convinced Pollack and Anarumo were the root of the problem here. I've heard this "big changes" talk from them a few too many times already. Seeing is believing. 1 Quote
Jamie_B Posted January 18 Author Report Posted January 18 4 hours ago, sparky151 said: Did he get even 1 regular season snap this year? I'd expect the team to re-sign Hudson since he's cheap. It's no guarantee he makes the roster next year but the team has to make a decision on Gesicki. If they re-sign Higgins and extend Chase, do they want to give Mike 7-8 mil per year or put that into another position, whether guard for offense or just about anywhere on the defense. According to this, he got 5 snaps all year, in fact, UFA Cam Grandy got more. I liked the McGlaughlin pick but it seems like he basically had a red shirt year and got beat out by a UFA. Hopefully he can contribute next year because otherwise it was a wasted pick https://www.footballguys.com/stats/snap-counts/teams?team=CIN&year=2024 Quote
sparky151 Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 1 hour ago, T-Dub said: I think Rankins and/or Moss are the only likely cuts and I wouldn't bet on them either. Replacing both guards is a tall order, we'd be lucky to upgrade from Ford. They won't give up on Stone that fast, Hubbard and Pratt stay due to familiarity. They keep their vets at least a year past their expiration date as a rule. They also seem more willing to accept poor performance over dead cap and value loyalty over competition. They've also got new defensive and OL coaches coming in so who knows how these guys might respond. Don't be surprised if a couple of dudes that have looked like bums suddenly turn it around. The team will need a certain amount of cap space in Feb and March to re-sign pending free agents and hopefully sign an impact player or two from other teams. The second and third rounds of free agency are inexpensive players. After the draft and rookie mini-camp they can decide on replacing current players like Cappa or Stone or Moss. Then in July before training camp opens is the likely time for extensions for Ja'Marr and Trey. But those shouldn't have a major impact on our 2025 cap situation. We should hope that some of our stiffs turn into players with new coaching but it's hard to predict or count on. IMO they should cut Rankins and Moss without a second thought. They didn't stay healthy or contribute much last year and we're trying for a refresh here. I think this season they will be more committed to success after seeing the waste of a borderline MVP season from Burrow. Hubbard won't be back on his current contract, maybe they offer him a deal at vet minimum or he retires instead of being cut with a promise from the team not to try to recoup his prorated signing bonus. Stone, Cappa, and Pratt (and perhaps Volson) should be replaced as soon as possible but the team probably won't cut them until the replacement is inhouse. Quote
T-Dub Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 20 minutes ago, sparky151 said: The team will need a certain amount of cap space in Feb and March to re-sign pending free agents and hopefully sign an impact player or two from other teams. The second and third rounds of free agency are inexpensive players. After the draft and rookie mini-camp they can decide on replacing current players like Cappa or Stone or Moss. Then in July before training camp opens is the likely time for extensions for Ja'Marr and Trey. But those shouldn't have a major impact on our 2025 cap situation. They shouldn't, but it's a ready excuse to sit out the first round of FA. Cutting some dead weight would be a good indication that they intend to reinvest beyond just doing a couple of extensions. Quote We should hope that some of our stiffs turn into players with new coaching but it's hard to predict or count on. IMO they should cut Rankins and Moss without a second thought. They didn't stay healthy or contribute much last year and we're trying for a refresh here. I think this season they will be more committed to success after seeing the waste of a borderline MVP season from Burrow. I think it genuinely bothers them, which again is good to see. What they intend to do about it is the question. Quote Hubbard won't be back on his current contract, maybe they offer him a deal at vet minimum or he retires instead of being cut with a promise from the team not to try to recoup his prorated signing bonus. I think he might still be effective in a rotation & he doesn't want to go out on a down year. Dude wants a ring, and I don't mind if they give him a chance to earn it. That being said, paying him $10M next year would be charity. Quote Stone, Cappa, and Pratt (and perhaps Volson) should be replaced as soon as possible but the team probably won't cut them until the replacement is inhouse. Nor should they unless they sign a veteran upgrade. The draft picks need to come in & earn it. When they're being talked about as someone's replacement on draft day we get people slacking like Burton. Quote
snarkster Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 On 12/30/2024 at 10:54 AM, I_C_Deadpeople said: Signing Tee, Trey and Chase have to be the highest priorities. Jettison a couple of slug contracts as well. That in itself is loads of work for this front office. I have no issue with youth on D as long as Tee and Chase are signed and we hit the IOL a few times in the top half of the draft. An average D is all we need. I wanna double dip on the IOL with a FA and a draft pick in the round 3-5 range. I'd also like to see them add a swing tackle somewhere along the line (given OBrown's propensity for injury. Cappa should be gone and Volson should have to claw for his life for the ,last chair in the room to see if the new coach can salvage anything). Quote
MichaelWeston Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 Cappa and Rankins are gone Hubbard is probably gone and maybe back at a very low contract Moss neck injury is his biggest factor...3.3 for what he brings isn't a big deal Stone played better at the end of the year. Not sure he's cut Pratt laughed at the idea on line but Dehner thinks its a sure thing Volson might also be a cut, his salary built up due to playing so much Quote
MichaelWeston Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 Cowboys done I was not familiar with this guys game at all. Might be interesting. Draft Order Cap DL Age Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Starts 24/Career stats Notes B Odighizuwa-Cowboys 27 68.1 50.8 78.5 61.6 859 17/63 47-4fl-23h-4.5s-1ff-1pd 571B-222OVT 6'2 280 I am always thinking about how to bring Lawson back. Had a good year last year Draft Order Cap DE/Edge Age Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Starts 24/Career stats Notes Edge Lawson-Cowboys 30 59.7 58.8 64.8 59.5 402 3/34 15-4fl-15h-5s-1ff 384 Out 6'2 265 Quote
claptonrocks Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 10 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: 5 Don't believe Katy will see it that way. I see her tagging Tee for another year Even though it's a WR1 cap hit it's also for 1 year. If Tee performs at a high level and stays healthy they may offer him an extension Ja'Marr will be signed not for his greatness but the thought of ridicule from they fan base as well as the entire league will make his signing so. They'll have room for Gesicki for a couple more years if they decide to 1 Quote
I_C_Deadpeople Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 15 hours ago, snarkster said: I wanna double dip on the IOL with a FA and a draft pick in the round 3-5 range. I'd also like to see them add a swing tackle somewhere along the line (given OBrown's propensity for injury. Cappa should be gone and Volson should have to claw for his life for the ,last chair in the room to see if the new coach can salvage anything). I have noted before but I would look to draft two DL and 2 IOL in the first four rounds. May have to trade down so as not to reach - and if we picked up a third OL later I would not squawk. Quit f*cking around and fill the lines with prospects. 1 Quote
sparky151 Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 4 hours ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: I have noted before but I would look to draft two DL and 2 IOL in the first four rounds. May have to trade down so as not to reach - and if we picked up a third OL later I would not squawk. Quit f*cking around and fill the lines with prospects. That would probably be overkill and also risky if we're counting on rookies to come through as starters. We'll probably carry 9 OL on the 53 man roster. Brown, Mims, Karras, are locks. Ford is likely to return. Probably Volson as well. Lee and Kirkland are likely too. I'd like to find at least 1 starting guard in free agency. And probably a DT or DE there as well. Quote
|BlackJesus| Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 Bengals need to bring Mekhi Becton back to play RG! He's only on a 1 year deal with Philly. 😳 EpP9Tydfuy3biswg.mp4 2 Quote
texbengal Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 On 1/18/2025 at 11:14 AM, sparky151 said: Did he get even 1 regular season snap this year? I'd expect the team to re-sign Hudson since he's cheap. It's no guarantee he makes the roster next year but the team has to make a decision on Gesicki. If they re-sign Higgins and extend Chase, do they want to give Mike 7-8 mil per year or put that into another position, whether guard for offense or just about anywhere on the defense. I don’t thnk he was ever active… just on the 53. Agree on Gesicki, he was a nice add and really, he’s a WR. Joe liked him a lot but if they re-sign Tee, I wonder if they keep him too. 1 Quote
Le Tigre Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 4 hours ago, BlackJesus said: Bengals need to bring Mekhi Becton back to play RG! He's only on a 1 year deal with Philly. 😳 EpP9Tydfuy3biswg.mp4 1.44 MB · 0 downloads He’s never leaving South Philly. He’s become a real favorite there 1 Quote
|BlackJesus| Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 ^ ADG is gone. Need that money elsewhere. 1 Quote
sparky151 Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 19 hours ago, texbengal said: I don’t thnk he was ever active… just on the 53. Agree on Gesicki, he was a nice add and really, he’s a WR. Joe liked him a lot but if they re-sign Tee, I wonder if they keep him too. SB Nation has their free agency rankings out and they have Gesicki rated as the top TE. Higgins and Hill were also rated as the top FA at their positions. 15 hours ago, BlackJesus said: ^ ADG is gone. Need that money elsewhere. He was a free agent last year and didn't get much offered. I doubt he increased his value this year, even with more playing time in the regular defense. 1 Quote
claptonrocks Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 23 hours ago, sparky151 said: That would probably be overkill and also risky if we're counting on rookies to come through as starters. We'll probably carry 9 OL on the 53 man roster. Brown, Mims, Karras, are locks. Ford is likely to return. Probably Volson as well. Lee and Kirkland are likely too. I'd like to find at least 1 starting guard in free agency. And probably a DT or DE there as well. " Probably Volson as well". Hopefully as a backup. 1 Quote
texbengal Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 On 1/18/2025 at 10:27 PM, MichaelWeston said: Cowboys done I was not familiar with this guys game at all. Might be interesting. Draft Order Cap DL Age Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Starts 24/Career stats Notes B Odighizuwa-Cowboys 27 68.1 50.8 78.5 61.6 859 17/63 47-4fl-23h-4.5s-1ff-1pd 571B-222OVT 6'2 280 I am always thinking about how to bring Lawson back. Had a good year last year Draft Order Cap DE/Edge Age Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Starts 24/Career stats Notes Edge Lawson-Cowboys 30 59.7 58.8 64.8 59.5 402 3/34 15-4fl-15h-5s-1ff 384 Out 6'2 265 Odighizuwa had a solid year; he’s a 3T and he can make some plays in the backfield and rush the passer. He was the Cowboys’ best interior DL. He’ll get some good coin in the market if he doesn’t re-sign. They had another guy, Chauncey Gholston, who played pretty well too. More of a run stopper than interior pass rush but he was a pleasant surprise last year. Quote
MichaelWeston Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 18 minutes ago, texbengal said: Odighizuwa had a solid year; he’s a 3T and he can make some plays in the backfield and rush the passer. He was the Cowboys’ best interior DL. He’ll get some good coin in the market if he doesn’t re-sign. They had another guy, Chauncey Gholston, who played pretty well too. More of a run stopper than interior pass rush but he was a pleasant surprise last year. Draft Order Cap DE/Edge Age Overall Run D Pass Rush Coverage Snaps Starts 24/Career stats Notes Edge Golston-Cowboys 27 65.3 56.8 60.7 68.9 790 13/16 56-5fl-8h-5.5s-1fr-5pd-1int 487 Out-211 OVT 6'5 268 Quote
Jamie_B Posted January 21 Author Report Posted January 21 We signed Cam Gandy for a year. https://www.bengals.com/news/bengals-sign-te-cam-grandy-to-contract-extension-bengals-roster-update Quote
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