Cut Candidates and their value

[LostInDaJungle]

Player    Savings     Dead Money

Sheldon Rankins: $8,617,647   $2,000,000

Alex Cappa: $8,000,000  $2,250,000

Sam Hubbard: $9,511,765  $2,000,000

Zack Moss: $3,316,176   $1,500,000

Geno Stone: $6,475,000  $1,500,000

Cordell Volson: $3,575,000   $164,220

Drew Sample: $2,750,000   $0

Total Savings: $42,245,588
Total Dead Money: $9,414,220
Total Cap Space: $88,812,995

[sparky151]

I'd put Pratt on there before Sample. The latter got overpaid but it mostly hit the cap last year. 

[LostInDaJungle]

1 minute ago, sparky151 said:

I'd put Pratt on there before Sample. The latter got overpaid but it mostly hit the cap last year. 

Cutting Pratt saves $5.6M in cap space.

[I_C_Deadpeople]

Not cutting Sample with All gone for the year

[LostInDaJungle]

6 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said:

Not cutting Sample with All gone for the year

Sample was essentially our Fullback. All is not that guy. You need Geisecki (or comparable) that much more with the loss of All.

He's a vestigial TE on a team that could even make TJ Uzomah a star. Nothing that couldn't be addressed with a late round draft pick. Or Cam Gandy. We have... 5 TE's on the roster? 6?

Just maybe don't take a guy with an injury history that would make Tyler Eifert say "Ouch."

[T-Dub]

Sheldon Rankins: Why was he even here to begin with *CUT*

 

Alex Cappa:  Not until they find someone better - in other words, get used to him

 

Sam Hubbard: *CUT* but they won't, 9 million Good Boy Points will buy a lot of hunny mussy

 

Zack Moss: Fuckin.. who? *CUT*

 

Geno Stone: We somehow poached the worst player on Baltimore's defense but again, who replaces him?

 

Cordell Volson:  We don't have another LG either.  That's still true with Volson but someone has to stand there on offense, it's in the rules.

 

Drew Sample:  That's a crazy price tag but you see "guy who stands behind the guards to block because they suck ass" is a crucial piece of Zac's offensive scheme. Analysts are calling it the "Offset I & Other Dude" formation.  2nd round pick BTW, another banger from Dookie Tobin.

[claptonrocks]

8 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said:

Cutting Pratt saves $5.6M in cap space.

He never saw a tackle he couldn't miss...

[MichaelWeston]

I think Pratt is probably back. Golden will believe he can get the most out of him and that number isn't absurd. 

[|BlackJesus|]

Sheldon Rankins: Cut
Alex Cappa: Keep
Sam Hubbard: Cut
Zack Moss: Keep
Geno Stone: Cut
Cordell Volson: Keep
Drew Sample: Keep

... Just those 3 cuts are 23 million, or most of Tee's extension for 1 year. 

[T-Dub]

37 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:

Sheldon Rankins: Cut
Alex Cappa: Keep
Sam Hubbard: Cut
Zack Moss: Keep
Geno Stone: Cut
Cordell Volson: Keep
Drew Sample: Keep

... Just those 3 cuts are 23 million, or most of Tee's extension for 1 year. 

 

 

Yes well you see they need to save that money for things that the Bengals front office assures us are definitely not a herd of adorable Shetland ponies.

 

and besides.. Look, they've got Joe Burrow! See!? There he is wearing an honest to goodness Bengals uniform!  He's so cool, right? With two perfectly healthy wrists of course he's not still favoring one of them a year later what a weird thing to say. Joe Burrow everyone! A Bengal!  Boy howdy he'd sure look great on instant replays beamed directly to 4K screens in the back of every Club-level seat!  Too bad that mean old county government would rather spend your tax money on roads or fire departments or whatever.. 4K screens!! It's like being there, but you already are!  And so is Joe Burrow - look at him scramble from an unblocked 300lb lineman! Incredible!  And we've got some other guys probably I think, some of them are super funny and nice and come from Ohio too! What a QB though!

 

 

[sparky151]

14 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

Sheldon Rankins: Cut
Alex Cappa: Keep
Sam Hubbard: Cut
Zack Moss: Keep
Geno Stone: Cut
Cordell Volson: Keep
Drew Sample: Keep

... Just those 3 cuts are 23 million, or most of Tee's extension for 1 year. 

 

Er, you want to keep Cappa, Moss, and Volson? I don't. We could put the 14 mil we save from them to better use with vet guards to protect Sheisty.

[|BlackJesus|]

51 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

Er, you want to keep Cappa, Moss, and Volson? I don't. We could put the 14 mil we save from them to better use with vet guards to protect Sheisty.

 

They are fairly cheap, have experience in the offense, and we don't currently have good replacements.

 

The 3 I said to cut have price tags that outweigh those considerations.

[sparky151]

We don't currently have good replacements for Stone, Hubbard, and Rankins either. We can sign or draft them though. We don't really have to extend Trey and Ja'Mar until after the draft. They'd prefer to get it done sooner than later but as long as it's before training camp and the numbers are promised, they'll be ok. 

 

Free agency is strong at guard and edge rusher. The draft is strong all across the D-line and at RB. Other positions are less abundant. My view is that I don't want to trust a rookie to protect Burrow so we should sign a couple of veteran guards who are upgrades from Cappa/Volson. That's not a high bar and doesn't require Trey Smith or Fries. Risner/Zeitler/Tomlinson/Jenkins/Becton/Daniels type players would be upgrades. So sign a couple of them, probably for less combined than we save from cutting Volson/Cappa and move on to the defense. Extend Ford for his versatility and it's fine to draft a guy but maybe Kirkland can be OG4 if we don't draft anyone at guard.

[-GoBengals-]

On 2/11/2025 at 12:31 PM, sparky151 said:

I'd put Pratt on there before Sample. The latter got overpaid but it mostly hit the cap last year. 

 

 

agreed, pratt is LONG GONE. 

 

On 2/11/2025 at 2:45 PM, I_C_Deadpeople said:

Not cutting Sample with All gone for the year

 

even if he wanst sample is a reliable, team a nd blocking guy with solid hands when needed 4 times a year.. let this man cook in the shadows as he has been. 

 

On 2/11/2025 at 2:57 PM, LostInDaJungle said:

Sample was essentially our Fullback. All is not that guy. You need Geisecki (or comparable) that much more with the loss of All.

He's a vestigial TE on a team that could even make TJ Uzomah a star. Nothing that couldn't be addressed with a late round draft pick. Or Cam Gandy. We have... 5 TE's on the roster? 6?

Just maybe don't take a guy with an injury history that would make Tyler Eifert say "Ouch."

 

i think only 3 under contract though. once that league year free agency hits in a few weeks. and All is one of them.. so Sample and McLaughlin or whatever is it under contract right?

 

On 2/11/2025 at 3:51 PM, T-Dub said:

Sheldon Rankins: Why was he even here to begin with *CUT*

 

Alex Cappa:  Not until they find someone better - in other words, get used to him

 

Sam Hubbard: *CUT* but they won't, 9 million Good Boy Points will buy a lot of hunny mussy

 

Zack Moss: Fuckin.. who? *CUT*

 

Geno Stone: We somehow poached the worst player on Baltimore's defense but again, who replaces him?

 

Cordell Volson:  We don't have another LG either.  That's still true with Volson but someone has to stand there on offense, it's in the rules.

 

Drew Sample:  That's a crazy price tag but you see "guy who stands behind the guards to block because they suck ass" is a crucial piece of Zac's offensive scheme. Analysts are calling it the "Offset I & Other Dude" formation.  2nd round pick BTW, another banger from Dookie Tobin.

 

samples price tag is Crazy?  isnt it like 3mil?

 

19 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

I think Pratt is probably back. Golden will believe he can get the most out of him and that number isn't absurd. 

 

thats not how it has sounded, Goldne has seemingly purposely left him out of talking about the core players on defense... i think dude is long long long gone

 

3 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

 

They are fairly cheap, have experience in the offense, and we don't currently have good replacements.

 

The 3 I said to cut have price tags that outweigh those considerations.

 

of course we dont currently have replacements its february, thats what the next two to 6 months are for.....

 

why do people keep saying that?

 

30 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

We don't currently have good replacements for Stone, Hubbard, and Rankins either. We can sign or draft them though. We don't really have to extend Trey and Ja'Mar until after the draft. They'd prefer to get it done sooner than later but as long as it's before training camp and the numbers are promised, they'll be ok. 

 

Free agency is strong at guard and edge rusher. The draft is strong all across the D-line and at RB. Other positions are less abundant. My view is that I don't want to trust a rookie to protect Burrow so we should sign a couple of veteran guards who are upgrades from Cappa/Volson. That's not a high bar and doesn't require Trey Smith or Fries. Risner/Zeitler/Tomlinson/Jenkins/Becton/Daniels type players would be upgrades. So sign a couple of them, probably for less combined than we save from cutting Volson/Cappa and move on to the defense. Extend Ford for his versatility and it's fine to draft a guy but maybe Kirkland can be OG4 if we don't draft anyone at guard.

 

 

why would we have good replacement right now?

 

explain this.. the season just ended... how would we have got replacements so far? the draft is 2+ months away... free agency is a mnoth away....

 

of course if no guards hit the market and are none in the draft we probably wont cut Cappa....  but i think we are all talking about these guys being cut once they grab repalcements, like "we need to replace and cut these guys"

 

if we had replacements they would just be the starters...

[T-Dub]

5 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

 

samples price tag is Crazy?  isnt it like 3mil?

 

 

Think of it in terms of adding that $3M to Volson's current salary and instead signing a better guard that doesn't need Sample to stand behind him and block for him.

 

I'm suggesting we replace him with a capable OL and a TE that can do what TE's generally do instead of carrying 5 of them in order to get that stuff done.

[claptonrocks]

On 2/11/2025 at 5:51 PM, T-Dub said:

Sheldon Rankins: Why was he even here to begin with *CUT*

 

Alex Cappa:  Not until they find someone better - in other words, get used to him

 

Sam Hubbard: *CUT* but they won't, 9 million Good Boy Points will buy a lot of hunny mussy

 

Zack Moss: Fuckin.. who? *CUT*

 

Geno Stone: We somehow poached the worst player on Baltimore's defense but again, who replaces him?

 

Cordell Volson:  We don't have another LG either.  That's still true with Volson but someone has to stand there on offense, it's in the rules.

 

Drew Sample:  That's a crazy price tag but you see "guy who stands behind the guards to block because they suck ass" is a crucial piece of Zac's offensive scheme. Analysts are calling it the "Offset I & Other Dude" formation.  2nd round pick BTW, another banger from Dookie Tobin.

I see no surprise in cutting any of your first 4..

Behead them all...🗡️

 

Battle replaces Bell . 

Does Anthony replace Stone?

Ehhhhh.....

Draft Starks then everything goes up a notch 

 

Volson.

Pros. 

Knows the entire system.

Durable ...

 

Cons.

Serious Strength issues still..

Not enough talent to start.

 

With the cuts coming they'll be in prime position to sign their studs..

 

 

[sparky151]

33 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

 

 

agreed, pratt is LONG GONE. 

 

 

even if he wanst sample is a reliable, team a nd blocking guy with solid hands when needed 4 times a year.. let this man cook in the shadows as he has been. 

 

 

i think only 3 under contract though. once that league year free agency hits in a few weeks. and All is one of them.. so Sample and McLaughlin or whatever is it under contract right?

 

 

samples price tag is Crazy?  isnt it like 3mil?

 

 

thats not how it has sounded, Goldne has seemingly purposely left him out of talking about the core players on defense... i think dude is long long long gone

 

 

of course we dont currently have replacements its february, thats what the next two to 6 months are for.....

 

why do people keep saying that?

 

 

 

why would we have good replacement right now?

 

explain this.. the season just ended... how would we have got replacements so far? the draft is 2+ months away... free agency is a mnoth away....

 

of course if no guards hit the market and are none in the draft we probably wont cut Cappa....  but i think we are all talking about these guys being cut once they grab repalcements, like "we need to replace and cut these guys"

 

if we had replacements they would just be the starters...

 

Er, we don't. BJ argued that we should keep some guys most of us want to cut because we didn't have their replacements lined up. We can cut guys as we sign their replacements, either in free agency or the draft. I'm not worried that we won't be able to find guard upgrades from Cappa and Volson as we have lots of cap space and will be one of the first calls for every agent. 

[claptonrocks]

22 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

I think Pratt is probably back. Golden will believe he can get the most out of him and that number isn't absurd. 

He never believed it before .

Pratt can't cover..he misses to many tackles despite his totals.

He's never been a coveted Blitzer of any means 

They need to upgrade his position ..