MichaelWeston Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X5zdTRZPDkDPyoBeBmCfryu321hyal7qybbZpLYIOqE/edit?usp=sharing Last years convo Green=Guys I like Gold=Guys that I'd target over everybody Green/Teal=Notes that stand out for guys Red=Bad stats/notes Purple=Was coached by our coach Draft Order Cap WR Age Overall Receiving Run Block Snaps Starts 24/Career stats Notes Position Size Chase-Bengals 25 85.8 84.9 63.2 1053 16/61 127-1708-13.4-17 2026 34% slot 6'0 201 4.39 Iosivas-Bengals 25 52.7 54.3 36.7 891 8/9 36-479-13.3-6 2027 52% slot 6'3 212 4.43 Jones-Bengals 26 51.6 52.7 53.7 26 0/0 1-5-5.0-0 2027 65% slot 5'11 188 4.43 PR Williams-Bengals 24 60.9 56.7 79.9 27 0/0 2-6-3.0-0 2027 63% slot 5'10 180 4.63 Burton-Bengals 24 58.4 59.4 41.3 131 1/1 4-107-26.8-0 2028 10% Slot 6'0 194 4.45 Burgess-Bengals 25 Futures 6'1 198 4.45 Pryor-Bengals 27 65.3 64.5 60.5 19 0/0 1-9-9.0-0 Futures 10% Slot 5'11 189 4.37 Higgins-Bengals 26 88.2 88.3 52.2 635 9/62 73-911-12.5-10 2025 20% Slot 6'4 219 4.59 Draft Order Cap WR Age Overall Receiving Run Block Snaps Starts 24/Career stats Notes Position Size Slot 9 Godwin-Bucs 29 86.3 85.7 62.7 397 7/84 50-576-11.5-5 62% Slot 6'1 208 Diggs-Texans 31 79 79.7 53.3 430 8/136 47-496-10.6-3 53% Slot 6'0 191 IR Skowronek-Stealers 28 69.5 66.4 72.2 109 1/13 5-69-13.8-0; 7 tackles 67% Slot 6'3 224 Zaccheaus-Commanders 28 69.2 69.7 56.8 634 6/30 45-506-11.2-3 54% Slot 5'8 193 1yr 1.275 Sherfield-Vikings 29 68.8 67.6 66 192 1/11 8-83-10.4-1 53% Slot 6'1 205 10 Allen-Bears 33 64.4 68.2 31.6 848 15/149 70-744-10.6-7 54% Slot 6'2 211 Dortch-Cardinals 27 63.9 65.2 54.6 432 4/14 37-342-9.2-3 66% Slot 5'7 175 10 Agholor-Ravens 32 63.4 63.5 54.2 466 7/105 14-231-16.5-2 51% Slot 6'0 200 1 Boyd-Titans 30 60 60.9 47.7 636 8/85 39-390-10-0 83% slot 6'2 203 Powell-Vikings 30 58.9 60.6 48.1 217 1/11 7-71-10.1-0 53% Slot 5'8 181 2 2 Moore-Browns 25 58.5 58.6 47.9 893 13/40 61-538-8.8-1 56% slot 5'10 180 Robinson-Lions 32 57.8 61.5 49.7 91 0/122 3-30-10.0-0 50% Slot 6'3 220 Humphrey-Broncos 27 56.9 55.7 62.4 554 7/23 31-293-9.5-1 57% Slot 6'4 225 10 Sims-Ravens 29 56.1 59.5 58.2 29 0/6 NA 54% Slot 5'10 176 10 Harty-Ravens 27 56 57 60 6 1/5 15-150-10.0-1 IR Knee/23 stats 100% Slot 5'6 170 Campbell-Eagles 28 55.1 52.8 68.9 159 0/27 6-30-5.0-1 68% Slot 6'0 208 Crowder-Commanders 32 54.9 55.4 47.4 181 1/52 9-72-8-2 89% Slot 5'9 185 6 Moore-Falcons 25 53.6 50.5 54 755 8/23 40-352-8.8-1 IR-knee/stats 2023 68% Slot 5'7 180 10 Carter-Bears 32 53.3 56.5 29.6 137 0/21 9-72-8-0 69% Slot 5'8 190 4 Berrios-Dolphins 30 44.9 46.9 38.1 112 0/6 0 55% Slot 5'9 190 Golden-15 Draft Order Cap WR Age Overall Receiving Run Block Snaps Starts 24/Career stats Notes Position Size Outside Higgins-Bengals 26 88.2 88.3 52.2 635 9/62 73-911-12.5-10 2025 20% Slot 6'4 219 4.59 Hopkins-Chiefs 33 77.7 77 58 561 5/169 41-437-10.7-4 25% Slot 6'1 212 Hardman-Chiefs 27 72.8 67.9 59.2 115 0/28 12-90-7.5-0 39% Slot 5'10 187 IR Atwell-Rams 26 72.7 73.9 57.4 428 5/23 42-562-13.4-0 36% Slot 5'9 165 4 Eskridge-Dolphins 28 71.3 71.2 53.6 37 0/6 3-44-14.7-0 9% Slot 5'9 190 N Brown-Commanders 29 70.7 70.2 60.4 468 9/34 35-453-12.9-1 19% Slot 6'2 215 OSU 9 1 Pettis-Saints 29 70.2 69.3 62.2 148 0/19 12-120-10.0-1 40% Slot 6'1 195 5 Cooper-Bills 31 68.7 68.9 59.1 667 4/143 20-297-14.9-2 19% Slot 6'1 211 2 2 Proche-Browns 29 67.8 66.8 60.7 16 0/1 3-21-7.0-0 45% slot 5'11 191 Brown-Chiefs 28 67.7 66.9 60.1 122 1/66 9-91-10.1-0 39% Slot 5'9 180 Robinson-Rams 27 67 67.7 50.8 361 17/68 31-505-16.3-7 38% Slot 6'1 203 Johnson-Rams 27 67 67.7 50.8 361 2/8 26-291-11.2-1 33% Slot 6'1 205 Palmer-Chargers 26 67 68.3 50 616 7/29 39-584-15.0-1 33% Slot 6'2 210 Patrick-Lions 32 66.8 65.7 64.9 671 9/46 33-394-11.9-3 22% Slot 6'4 212 D Brown-Commanders 26 66.5 63.5 48.4 637 3/10 30-308-10.3-1 23% Slot 6'0 195 10 Wallace-Ravens 26 66.2 65.8 72.4 343 0/1 11-193-17.5-1 26% Slot 5'11 198 1 Westbrook-Ilkine-Titans 28 63.4 63.7 50.4 772 9/39 32-497-15.5-9 20% slot 6'2 211 7 Cooks-Cowboys 32 63.2 63.3 53.7 470 9/144 26-259-10.0-3 23% Slot 5'10 183 Taylor-18 8 Moore-Panthers 30 63.1 64 65.7 569 5/19 32-351-11-3 24% Slot 6'0 220 6 Hodge-Falcons 30 62.8 64.5 52.1 231 2/9 7-131-18.71- 39% Slot 6'2 208 9 1 Valdes-Scantling-Saints 30 61.7 60.8 63.7 477 8/68 17-385-22.6-4 21% Slot 6'4 206 5 Hollins-Bills 32 61.6 63.8 48.9 853 13/40 31-378-12.2-5 31% Slot 6'4 221 Smith-Schuster-Chiefs 28 60 60.2 54.9 483 8/80 18-231-12.8-2 41% Slot 6'1 215 Conley-49ers 33 59.8 56.9 74.2 239 2/65 6-76-12.7-0 20% Slot 6'3 205 3 Slayton-Giants 28 59 59.9 47.1 869 13/66 39-573-14.7-2 20% Slot 6'1 194 8 Woods-Texans 33 58.8 57.8 58.5 404 4/145 20-203-10.2-0 38% Slot 6'0 195 Williams-Stealers 31 58.8 59.7 40.7 481 2/67 9-132-14.7-1 22% Slot 6'4 218 Jefferson-Stealers 29 57.2 57.4 59.3 755 12/47 24-276-11.5-2 24% Slot 6'1 200 4 Cracraft-Dolphins 31 57.1 59.7 42.9 120 0/2 7-66-9.4-0 33% Slot 6'0 198 Reagor-Chargers 26 56.2 56.9 58.2 138 2/27 7-100-14.3-0 37% Slot 5'11 197 Fehoka-Chargers 25 55 56 44.8 249 2/2 6-106-17.7-0; 2 tackles 20% Slot 6'3 220 Dulin-Colts 28 54.9 55.6 43.7 182 2/5 2-67-33.5-1; 10 tackles 45% Slot 6'1 215 9 Shepard-Bucs 32 54.8 57 51 536 5/79 32-334-10.5-1 48% Slot 5'10 196 Chark-Chargers 28 53.7 53.4 56 132 0/51 4-31-7.8-1 17% Slot 6'4 200 Watson-Chiefs 30 53.3 52.4 57.5 699 7/24 22-289-13.1-2 34% Slot 6'2 215 Jones-Cardinals 30 53.1 53.6 45.8 257 2/69 8-84-10.5-0 19% Slot 6'2 200 Osborn-Commanders 28 52.2 51.9 53.4 250 4/34 7-57-8.1-1 33% Slot 5'11 203 Pascal-Cardinals 30 44.3 51.5 40.5 69 0/47 1 tackle 17% Slot 6'2 215 Quote
MichaelWeston Posted February 14 Author Report Posted February 14 Some thoughts 1-Only locks are Chase and Yoshi 2-Jones and Williams probably compete for backup Slot spot 3-I think it makes a lot of sense for Higgins to leave, he can make 30+M and we won't offer that. 4-I'd love to have Higgins back. He's still very young 5-Burton is done 6-Pryor-Burgess and Tinsley are all camp guys. 7-The needs will depend on whether Higgins goes. If he does then probably not a huge investment. I'd hope for no draft pick and we leverage the desire for veterans to play with Burrow and get a couple near vet min Free agents. 8-If Higgins goes you will be scrambling for a 2nd WR in a free agency class where they are few and far between. Quote
I_C_Deadpeople Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 Not sure if Burton is done but the team should be working under the assumption he is. Quote
|High School Harry| Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 Maybe we can get Burton a brain transplant. 1 Quote
MichaelWeston Posted February 14 Author Report Posted February 14 There are seemingly 2 paths Path 1 Higgins leaves-We aggressively are seeking a #2 WR in the draft and free agency. The free agent market is very thin so we would likely be overpaying one of these guys 1-Keenan Allen-Age is an issue at 33 but he could end his career here and might like the idea of finishing up with Burrow 2-Elijah Moore-Size is a restriction but I hope he's just 25 and has played inside and out 3-Tutu Atwell-He is a big play guy who seems underutilized. I am sure that we would have the book on him from 4-Josh Palmer-Just 26 and decent numbers he probably still has upside 5-Dyami Brown-Finally started to show his promise and he's just 26 6-Westbrook-Ilkine-He has shown well every year but is limited 7-Brandin Cooks-He's 32 and was coached by Taylor for the Rams Because the spot is so limited in free agency you'd also want some high end draft pick Option 2 you re-sign Higgins. This also allows you to avoid taking a WR in the draft because you have your top 3 and long-term investment near the top. Combine that with their excellent ability to add guys as UDFAs and it would be a spot I'd avoid. You then can play off the idea of getting a veteran who wants to play with Burrow. This is probably someone who is a cap casualty like Adam Thielen or Kendrick Bourne but there is an ok list to start out with. 1-Zaccheaus-I've wanted him for years, nice production in DC, Inside and outside, came cheap 2-Powell-Powell was productive in 22 nd 23 also cheapr 3-Lil'Jordan Humphrey-His name is Lil'Jordan...That's enough. He's just 27, great size, cheap, had his most productive year this year 4-Noah Brown-He makes a lot of sense, OSU ties, cheap, a great separation score and win rate....he's the one for me.....and didn't he destroy us one year and give me sadness 5-Tyler Johnson-Rams WR is very under the radar for me, just 27, cheap 6-Tim Patrick-Was out of football for a couple years and then was great for the Lions this year. 7-David Moore-The perfect journeyman productive last year and 2018-20, 4.48 forty at some point in his life. 8-Hodge-Falcons wideout who has 9 starts over his career 9-Valdes-Scantling-At some point he ran a 4.37. 68 Career starts 10-Van Jefferson-Recent Stealers starter who wasn't productive enough to stay a starter, but had a great 2021 and decent enough stats for a 4th guy. 11-Simi Fehoko-Just 25, if you can steal him off the Chargers for cheap there is still meat on the bone here. Can also play teams. Was productive in season and preseason for the Chargers so his market might be higher with his youth nad in a very poor WR class. Great win rate and separation score 12-Sterling Shepard-The tail end of what started out a pretty promising career. Maybe the perfect guy who wants to end his career in a JB led offense. 1 Quote
sparky151 Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 I've seen Darius Slayton from the Giants suggested as a Tee replacement if he isn't back. We'd have to use pick 17 (or trade down a bit) but Emeka Egbuka would be a good fit. He'd be a plus replacement for Tyler Boyd. Quote
WRAPradio Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 I love Tee, but like others have said, when you pay a QB, it's his job to make average receivers better. You pay Ja'marr and let Tee walk. That means we may need to sign a WR in FA and maybe draft one, but it's ultimately up to Joe to maximize these guys. Take that money you save on Tee and upgrade somewhere on one or both of the LOS. If you look at the top QBs in the league (Josh Allen, got further w/o Diggs, Mahommes, never really had an elite WR outside of Cheetah, but he has had Kelce). Quote
dex Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 1 hour ago, WRAPradio said: I love Tee, but like others have said, when you pay a QB, it's his job to make average receivers better. You pay Ja'marr and let Tee walk. That means we may need to sign a WR in FA and maybe draft one, but it's ultimately up to Joe to maximize these guys. Take that money you save on Tee and upgrade somewhere on one or both of the LOS. If you look at the top QBs in the league (Josh Allen, got further w/o Diggs, Mahommes, never really had an elite WR outside of Cheetah, but he has had Kelce). The only good thing about drafting poorly for so many years is that you don't have to worry about extending a bunch of guys. But you absolutely have to extend the few draft choices that prove worthy of a big second contract. Tee is one of those few to work out well - pay the man. 7 Quote
New Jersey Bengal Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 Tee is a humble superstar a rarity in professional sports today it would be a huge mistake to let him go 3 Quote
|BlackJesus| Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 Don't forget that apparently Burrow is actually closer to Tee off the field than he even is to Ja'Marr. Tee is Burrow's closest friend on the team. Give your HoF QB what he wants and bring them both back. 2 Quote
claptonrocks Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 1 hour ago, New Jersey Bengal said: Tee is a humble superstar a rarity in professional sports today it would be a huge mistake to let him go They won't. Joe wants him back . JMarr wants him back. The whole org wants him back. Katy pencil whipping the books all night to make it all work. Its a totally new venture ... I believe they'll get JMarr and Tee signed long-term. Anything less would send a message that they're not all in to win it all.. They better get this done or the negatives from not would be devastating publically. She has pressure on her to strain all of this.. It's in her corner.. 1 1 Quote
Le Tigre Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 6 hours ago, claptonrocks said: She has pressure on her to strain all of this.. Not exactly. In negotiations, it takes two to dance. Each have to give up something to make it happen. As it stands now, the “Big 4” have been handed the upper hand by the media/fans. In true negotiations, it won’t work that way. In my line of work…in order to assist settling disputes…an independent mediator is chosen by both sides to help both sides reach an agreeable conclusion. This type thing has been used in MLB for eons. It works. Quote
|High School Harry| Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 8 hours ago, claptonrocks said: They won't. Joe wants him back . JMarr wants him back. The whole org wants him back. Katy pencil whipping the books all night to make it all work. Its a totally new venture ... I believe they'll get JMarr and Tee signed long-term. Anything less would send a message that they're not all in to win it all.. They better get this done or the negatives from not would be devastating publically. She has pressure on her to strain all of this.. It's in her corner.. The fan base wants him back. Quote
I_C_Deadpeople Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 1 hour ago, Le Tigre said: Not exactly. In negotiations, it takes two to dance. Each have to give up something to make it happen. As it stands now, the “Big 4” have been handed the upper hand by the media/fans. In true negotiations, it won’t work that way. In my line of work…in order to assist settling disputes…an independent mediator is chosen by both sides to help both sides reach an agreeable conclusion. This type thing has been used in MLB for eons. It works. Except the difference in pro sports is, if there is a dispute, the player can just leave. Thus, it is not a dispute like an organization and a union. Higgens can simply demand a certain number and the team can offer a number and if they dont agree after some back and forth he moves on. There is nothing to 'mediate'. Quote
|BlackJesus| Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 The first step the Bengals need to do with Tee is tag him again. That will not keep them from negotiating a full extension, but it will lock him down and notify other teams that they will need to trade for him if contract talks collapse. 1 Quote
Le Tigre Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 7 hours ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: Except the difference in pro sports is, if there is a dispute, the player can just leave. Thus, it is not a dispute like an organization and a union. Higgens can simply demand a certain number and the team can offer a number and if they dont agree after some back and forth he moves on. There is nothing to 'mediate'. True. But mediation is not built into the free agency system in the NFL. I cited MLB as an example of a built-in resolution (it’s called “arbitration” there). The difference there is that an arbitrator evaluates the salary claims of both sides, and then decides the number. Which is why teams push hard to “settle” player salaries before the arbitrator decides. Quote
-GoBengals- Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 On 2/14/2025 at 2:47 PM, WRAPradio said: I love Tee, but like others have said, when you pay a QB, it's his job to make average receivers better. You pay Ja'marr and let Tee walk. That means we may need to sign a WR in FA and maybe draft one, but it's ultimately up to Joe to maximize these guys. Take that money you save on Tee and upgrade somewhere on one or both of the LOS. If you look at the top QBs in the league (Josh Allen, got further w/o Diggs, Mahommes, never really had an elite WR outside of Cheetah, but he has had Kelce). just like the eagles did. oh wait. Quote
T-Dub Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 If someone's willing to pay Higgins WR1 money to play 10 games a year I'm not sure the Bengals should try to match them. This however assumes they are going to invest that money in other impact players instead of carrying contracts like Hubbard or Rankins just because it requires less effort and makes them feel nice. A competent FO would've traded him last year if they didn't intend to keep him. Instead they take a flyer on some headcase in the 3rd round & are now caught out, stuck with using a 2nd franchise tag with no apparent replacement in the wings. Good thing job performance has nothing to do with one's employment with this team. Quote
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