MichaelWeston Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X5zdTRZPDkDPyoBeBmCfryu321hyal7qybbZpLYIOqE/edit?usp=sharing Last years convo Green=Guys I like Gold=Guys that I'd target over everybody Green/Teal=Notes that stand out for guys Red=Bad stats/notes Purple=Was coached by our coach Draft Order Cap OL Age Overall Pass Block Run Block Snaps Starts 24/Career Notes Position Karras-Bengals 32 64.1 78 54.9 1136 17/99 2026 C/LG/RG Lee-Bengals 24 57.3 71.7 63.3 27 1/1 2028 ITE Volson-Bengals 27 59.3 49.4 65.6 984 15/48 2026 LG Cappa-Bengals 30 50.5 39.7 54.9 1132 17/96 2026 RG Manning-Bengals 27 NA Futures NA Kirkland-Bengals 27 49.3 50.3 3 NA 2025 ITE Brown-Bengals 29 58.2 69.5 49.7 637 11/103 2027 LT/RT Mims-Bengals 23 57.8 60.8 52.6 835 13/13 2029 RT Stueber-Bengals 26 71.8 65 69.7 5 NA 2026 RG Cochran-Bengals 27 50.6 50.8 57.5 152 1/1 2026 RT/LT Coker-Bengals 24 NA Futures NA Ford-Bengals 28 50.6 50.2 49.8 688 9/42 2025 RT/LG/RG/LT Brown-Bengals 32 65.2 64.2 68.4 139 3/96 2025 RT/LT Smith-Bengals 27 0/1 2025 LT/ITE IR Centers 6 Dalman-Falcons 26 78.8 66.6 79.8 554 9/40 C 9 Hainsey-Bucs 27 73.3 81 73.9 94 1/35 C Pinter-Colts 29 68.6 60.2 69.1 138 2/9 C/RG Kelly-Colts 32 67 71.9 64 601 10/121 C 10 Shelton-Bears 30 66.4 68.4 66.7 1121 17/49 C/RG 9 1 Patrick-Saints 32 64.6 60.3 66.3 562 10/64 C/RG/LG Karras-Bengals 32 64.1 78 54.9 1136 17/99 2026 C/LG/RG Bozeman-Chargers 30 61.2 52.1 64.8 1112 17/94 C/LG Captain Levin-Titans 31 57 66.4 55.4 133 1/5 C/LG Rascati-2017 1 Brunskill-Titans 31 55.3 55.6 54.9 684 10/66 C/RG/LG Myers-Packers 27 54.2 62.5 50.9 1067 16/56 C Gates-Eagles 29 52.6 67.7 49 96 1/40 C/LG/RT Deiter-Commanders 29 51.2 41.4 54 234 2/35 C/LG Mustipher-Chargers 28 50.8 30.5 59.9 107 1/43 C 2 2 Harris-Browns 26 49.7 64 48.3 90 2/5 C/RG Peters-20-23 8 Green-Texans 26 47.7 19.4 62.1 178 1/19 C/LG/RG Draft Order Cap OL Age Overall Pass Block Run Block Snaps Starts 24/Career Notes Position Left Guard 10 Jenkins-Bears 27 75.4 75.8 74.3 738 14/38 LG/RG Scharping-Stealers 29 74.3 77 69 7 0/33 LG/RG Risner-Vikings 30 68.1 76.1 58.8 611 8/81 LG/RG Rascati-20/23 Jackson-Rams 28 67.6 59.5 68.8 267 4/61 LG-RG-C McCarthy-18 Brown-Cardinals 28 65.9 73.5 58.7 1070 17/57 LG/C/RG 1 yr 2.35M Banks-49ers 28 65.4 60.5 68.9 775 13/43 LG 8 Christensen-Panthers 28 63.6 56.1 70.7 399 6/30 LG/LT/C 3 Tomlinson-Seahawks 33 62.1 65.1 59.7 1094 17/155 LG McCarthy-17 Volson-Bengals 27 59.3 49.4 65.6 984 15/48 2026 LG 10 Cleveland-Ravens 27 56.9 45.6 58.4 52 0/7 LG/RG 4 Jones-Dolphins 26 56.1 54.3 56.4 1080 17/30 LG/RG 9 Bredeson-Bucs 27 56 59.9 53.2 1173 17/42 LG/RG/C 7 Schweitzer-Jets 32 52.7 60 47 149 0/62 # 2023 LG/RG/C IR Hand Injury Ford-Bengals 28 50.6 50.2 49.8 688 9/42 2025 RT/LG/RG/LT 3 Stinnie-Giants 31 47.9 56.4 50.5 193 3/15 LG/RG 2 2 Dunn-Browns 31 46.5 34.7 54.5 171 3/9 LG/RG/C Peters-20-23 6 Whitehair-Raiders 33 44.7 61 37.9 221 3/121 LG/C 6 Peat-Raiders 31 32.3 30.8 34.3 57 1/103 LG/LT Draft Order Cap OL Age Overall Pass Block Run Block Snaps Starts 24/Career Notes Position Right Guard Daniels-Stealers 28 92.9 66.5 92.5 209 4/84 RG/LG/C IR Achilles Fries-Colts 27 86.9 74.9 84.9 268 5/31 IR-Tibia RG Zeitler-Lions 35 86.8 71.8 87.2 1047 16/197 RG Feliciano-49ers 33 79.8 63.5 85.6 629 7/61 RG/C/LG 1yr 2.75 Smith-Chiefs 26 75.3 67 77.4 1232 17/67 RG Bartch-49ers 27 74.8 74 71.2 65 2/22 RG/LG Becton-Eagles 26 71.8 61.8 71 1158 15/45 RG/LT/RT Colon-Cardinals 28 71 65.9 68.5 386 7/15 RG/LG/C 10 Pryor-Bears 30 69.9 78.1 65.9 1005 15/39 RG/RT/LT/LG 1yr 1.175M 7 Hanson-Jets 27 69.9 26.3 83.5 103 2/7 RG Hernandez-Cardinals 30 69.3 74.2 66 280 5/56 RG/LG 7 Martin-Cowboys 34 65.6 62 63.3 638 10/162 RG/RT Captain 5 Scherf-Jaguars 33 64.7 74.5 57.3 1013 17/140 RG 3yr 49.5 3 Van Roten-Giants 35 63.4 64.9 62.3 1121 17/88 RG/LG/C 1yr 2M 8 Corbett-Panthers 29 62.9 66.8 59.3 291 5/67 RG/LG/C IR Bicep 1 Radunz-Titans 27 57 63.9 53.6 903 15/31 RG/RT/LG/LT 9 1 Young-Saints 28 55.7 30 67.7 393 5/12 RG/RT/LT/LG 9 1 Udoh-Saints 28 55.4 35.5 69.3 149 1/19 RG/LT/RT/LG Rascati-22 Glowinski-Colts 33 53.4 53.3 55.8 355 5/101 RG/LG 4 Eichenberg-Dolphins 27 53.1 49.7 58.7 1037 14/52 RG/LT/LG/C/RT 9 Opeta-Bucs 29 52.9 57.9 50.2 530 6/10 IR-Knee, stats 2023 RG/LG Cappa-Bengals 30 50.5 39.7 54.9 1132 17/96 2026 RG Draft Order Cap OL Age Overall Pass Block Run Block Snaps Starts 24/Career Notes Position Left Tackle Moore-49ers 28 74.9 73.1 70.1 271 5/12 LT 7 Smith-Jets 34 73.7 72.3 72.4 592 10/145 LT/RT 5 Little-Jaguars 26 72.8 73.5 72.3 508 8/25 LT/LG 3 yrs Jags Dillard-Packers 30 72.7 75 72.7 13 0/19 LT 10 Stanley-Ravens 31 70.7 80.9 62.2 1221 17/104 LT 9 Skule-Bucs 28 69.2 66.5 68.9 362 5/17 LT/RT/RG Anderson-Stealers 29 68.9 66.2 68.5 40 0/14 LT/RT Rascati 20-21 Moore-Stealers 27 67.2 66.9 60.9 1128 17/66 LT Beachum-Cardinals 36 64.1 75.4 54.2 742 12/161 LT/RT Robinson-Vikings 30 63.2 67.2 60 1073 10/101 LT 5 Van Lanen-Jaguars 27 62.3 65.3 58 252 3/3 LT/RT 3 Fant-Seahawks 33 61.3 44.7 68.2 30 2/75 LT/RT Noteboom-Rams 30 60 46.9 70.6 220 4/35 LT-RT-RG Taylor-18 Brown-Bengals 29 58.2 69.5 49.7 637 11/103 2027 LT/RT 2 2 Wills-Browns 26 52.9 63.6 51.6 245 4/57 LT Peters-20-23 7 Edoga-Cowboys 28 52.5 50.5 57.1 226 4/23 LT/RT/LG 10 Jones-Ravens 28 49.8 73.5 52.2 64 0/24 LT/RG/RT Casey-18 Johnson-Eagles 28 49.3 36.9 58.1 493 6/14 LT/RT/RG 4 Wynn-Dolphins 28 49 32.5 60.9 103 3/50 LT/LG/RT/RG Humphries-Chiefs 31 44.8 30.5 66.1 92 2/84 LT/RT Draft Order Cap OL Age Overall Pass Block Run Block Snaps Starts 24/Career Notes Position Right Tackle Lucas-Commanders 34 74.1 79.1 66.7 464 7/54 RT/LT 1yr 2.8M 4 Lamm-Dolphins 33 72.7 83.1 53.7 512 7/44 RT/LT 1yr 2.575M Peters-20 Driscoll-Eagles 28 71.3 70 68.6 110 1/18 RT/RG/LT McDermott-Rams 32 67.8 65.9 68 227 5/17 IR RT-LT-RG Stats 23 Peart-Broncos 28 67.4 69.8 62 190 2/9 RT/LT Brown-Bengals 32 65.2 64.2 68.4 139 3/96 2025 RT/LT Barton-Cardinals 30 63.9 58.5 65.2 157 2/2 RT 7 Moses-Jets 34 63.3 69.2 60.6 723 14/158 RT/LT 6 Norton-Falcons 31 61.9 50.4 67.1 128 1/22 RT/LT 5 Hance-Jaguars 29 60.1 67.4 55.4 66 1/10 RT/LT Peters-20-21 10 Mekari-Ravens 28 59 71.6 56 1131 17/53 RT/LG/C/LT/RG Mims-Bengals 23 57.8 60.8 52.6 835 13/13 2029 RT Quessenberry-Vikings 35 55.2 50.7 56.2 133 0/30 RT/LT Rascati-23 Skipper-Lions 30 55.2 57.6 49.5 324 LG/LT 10 Borom-Bears 26 53.8 56.2 51.7 329 4/27 RT/LT 2 2 Hudson-Browns 26 50.4 40.2 57.7 222 3/17 UC RT/LT Peters-21-23 3 Hubbard-Giants 34 46.6 25.5 73.8 257 3/61 RT/LT/RG Peters-20-22 Scott-Commanders 31 46.1 52.9 39.5 288 1/23 LT/RT/RG 10 Curhan-Bears 27 45.8 38.4 54.9 260 2/11 RT/LG Forsythe-Seahawks 27 43.1 41.3 51.6 414 5/14 RT/LT Heck-49ers 28 41.2 47.8 40.8 117 2/21 RT 1 Quote
MichaelWeston Posted February 17 Author Report Posted February 17 Some thoughts 1-Loaded Guard market. Absolutely should be a cakewalk to get two improved guys. 2-I really wish we would have seen Manning and Kirkland more. I think there is something there 3-I think our needs are 2 starting guards and a swing tackle 4-The number of lineman that have some sort of tie to our coaching staff, especially guards, is high. 5-I assume Brown and Smith are gone but maybe not on Brown. Recent podcast suggested he might be back as the swing 6-C is probably settled 7-I assume 4-6 locks on the roster. Both Starting tackles, both C's, Kirkland and maybe Volson. 8-Ford is highly regarded and should be back. Some word about him even being in the mix at a G spot. He played 4 positions for us in 2024 1 Quote
sparky151 Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 Volson shouldn't be considered a lock. 2025 would be the final year of his rookie deal and he's qualified for escalators due to the amount of playing time he has. But it raises his salary to 3.6 mil and thus makes him more expensive than a lot of vets. If the team doesn't extend Karras, Lee might not be a lock. We could sign someone more physical like Jared Wilson or Seth McLaughlin on day 3. 1 Quote
Inigo Montoya Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 3 hours ago, sparky151 said: Volson shouldn't be considered a lock. 2025 would be the final year of his rookie deal and he's qualified for escalators due to the amount of playing time he has. But it raises his salary to 3.6 mil and thus makes him more expensive than a lot of vets. If the team doesn't extend Karras, Lee might not be a lock. We could sign someone more physical like Jared Wilson or Seth McLaughlin on day 3. You’re right about Volson. It all depends on what cost it would be to replace him versus that $3.6 million. A new OL coach with no loyalty to him might mean he’s gone. Hard to predict before free agency/draft and I don’t think he should feel safe at all. 1 Quote
|High School Harry| Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 16 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: Some thoughts 1-Loaded Guard market. Absolutely should be a cakewalk to get two improved guys. 2-I really wish we would have seen Manning and Kirkland more. I think there is something there 3-I think our needs are 2 starting guards and a swing tackle 4-The number of lineman that have some sort of tie to our coaching staff, especially guards, is high. 5-I assume Brown and Smith are gone but maybe not on Brown. Recent podcast suggested he might be back as the swing 6-C is probably settled 7-I assume 4-6 locks on the roster. Both Starting tackles, both C's, Kirkland and maybe Volson. 8-Ford is highly regarded and should be back. Some word about him even being in the mix at a G spot. He played 4 positions for us in 2024 Agree very much with 2. Kirkland has been around long enough to have developed into an intriguing player 6- Don't like putting all those eggs in a 7th round draft pick's basket. Esp considering the price of eggs right now. Volson... the team scapegoat and whipping boy... will the new Offensive Line Coach harness his potential? Is he, perhaps, a better OT? 2 Quote
MichaelWeston Posted February 18 Author Report Posted February 18 3 hours ago, High School Harry said: Agree very much with 2. Kirkland has been around long enough to have developed into an intriguing player 6- Don't like putting all those eggs in a 7th round draft pick's basket. Esp considering the price of eggs right now. Volson... the team scapegoat and whipping boy... will the new Offensive Line Coach harness his potential? Is he, perhaps, a better OT? He played primarily RT in college. I wonder if RG or RT is his best spot. 1 Quote
BBR Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 17 hours ago, sparky151 said: If the team doesn't extend Karras, Lee might not be a lock. We could sign someone more physical like Jared Wilson or Seth McLaughlin on day 3. I don't get the centers in this years draft... Are they really all that bad or is it just that the "experts" haven't paid attention to them yet. It seems odd that the best centers are projected to be drafted in the 4th or 5th round if not later. Maybe several of them will "rise up the draft boards" once the combine rolls around. Quote
|High School Harry| Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 1 hour ago, MichaelWeston said: He played primarily RT in college. I wonder if RG or RT is his best spot. Interesting thought. We've pretty much written off Cappa and seeing how Volson does over there could be a thought. Quote
sparky151 Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 16 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: You’re right about Volson. It all depends on what cost it would be to replace him versus that $3.6 million. A new OL coach with no loyalty to him might mean he’s gone. Hard to predict before free agency/draft and I don’t think he should feel safe at all. At 3.6 mil, he costs more than mid-career guys like Risner or Tomlinson played for last year or Van Roten (who is older). They all had better seasons than Cordell. 2 hours ago, BBR said: I don't get the centers in this years draft... Are they really all that bad or is it just that the "experts" haven't paid attention to them yet. It seems odd that the best centers are projected to be drafted in the 4th or 5th round if not later. Maybe several of them will "rise up the draft boards" once the combine rolls around. Zabel is considered the best center prospect in the class and he never played it in college. He played both guard and tackle for North Dakota. McLaughlin should be available in round 5, given he won't be working out at the combine or pro days after his achilles tear. Wilson might get into round 3 but more likely round 4. It's not a great draft for centers unlike the one 2 years ago. 1 hour ago, High School Harry said: Interesting thought. We've pretty much written off Cappa and seeing how Volson does over there could be a thought. I don't want to pay 3.6 mil to find out. The Bengals won't like paying a backup guy that much. Ford will be cheaper as a backup and I'd rather just pay a couple of middle of the pack vets 6 mil each to start at guard for us and fix the problem. Their combined 12 mil would be less than the cap savings from cutting Volson and Cappa and we should expect better than the 58th and 60th best pass blocking guards. I'd also be open to signing a more expensive option, either Jenkins for LG or Becton for RG. 2 Quote
MichaelWeston Posted February 18 Author Report Posted February 18 32 minutes ago, sparky151 said: At 3.6 mil, he costs more than mid-career guys like Risner or Tomlinson played for last year or Van Roten (who is older). They all had better seasons than Cordell. Zabel is considered the best center prospect in the class and he never played it in college. He played both guard and tackle for North Dakota. McLaughlin should be available in round 5, given he won't be working out at the combine or pro days after his achilles tear. Wilson might get into round 3 but more likely round 4. It's not a great draft for centers unlike the one 2 years ago. I don't want to pay 3.6 mil to find out. The Bengals won't like paying a backup guy that much. Ford will be cheaper as a backup and I'd rather just pay a couple of middle of the pack vets 6 mil each to start at guard for us and fix the problem. Their combined 12 mil would be less than the cap savings from cutting Volson and Cappa and we should expect better than the 58th and 60th best pass blocking guards. I'd also be open to signing a more expensive option, either Jenkins for LG or Becton for RG. I think they will sign one major guy, cut Cappa, have Kirkland-Volson-Lee-A Draft Pick-Ford and maybe a very low end FA go at the other Guard position. If Volson doesn't win or show well he will be cut. Quote
T-Dub Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 3 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: I think they will sign one major guy, cut Cappa, have Kirkland-Volson-Lee-A Draft Pick-Ford and maybe a very low end FA go at the other Guard position. If Volson doesn't win or show well he will be cut. I like this other than the Volson part. They already benched him for Ford, what's the point in wasting any more time or money on him? 1 Quote
MichaelWeston Posted February 18 Author Report Posted February 18 1 minute ago, T-Dub said: I like this other than the Volson part. They already benched him for Ford, what's the point in wasting any more time or money on him? Trying him at RT/RG and or seeing how he responds with different coaching. Quote
T-Dub Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 3 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said: Trying him at RT/RG and or seeing how he responds with different coaching. I've seen more than enough Volson but I guess that's for our new OL coach to decide for himself. Still say if he makes the 53 it's either because someone got hurt in camp or the FO fucked up again. Quote
sparky151 Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 3 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: I think they will sign one major guy, cut Cappa, have Kirkland-Volson-Lee-A Draft Pick-Ford and maybe a very low end FA go at the other Guard position. If Volson doesn't win or show well he will be cut. Lee can't play guard in the NFL. If the team is looking to upgrade from Volson, this is the year to do it with plenty of options in free agency. We don't have to take a minimalist approach to improvement. We don't need to go very low end FA. We can sign someone who started regularly and is much better than Volson and Cappa. The bar for that isn't very high. 1 Quote
MichaelWeston Posted February 18 Author Report Posted February 18 Just now, sparky151 said: Lee can't play guard in the NFL. If the team is looking to upgrade from Volson, this is the year to do it with plenty of options in free agency. We don't have to take a minimalist approach to improvement. We don't need to go very low end FA. We can sign someone who started regularly and is much better than Volson and Cappa. The bar for that isn't very high. Lee was being considered at G last year and it was indicated that the team had envisioned he could play there. Quote
MichaelWeston Posted February 18 Author Report Posted February 18 18 minutes ago, T-Dub said: I've seen more than enough Volson but I guess that's for our new OL coach to decide for himself. Still say if he makes the 53 it's either because someone got hurt in camp or the FO fucked up again. Very possible, but there is no real reason to cut him before the drop down to the 53, that amount of money doesn't keep you from signing someone and he might just be tradeable. Quote
T-Dub Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 1 minute ago, MichaelWeston said: Very possible, but there is no real reason to cut him before the drop down to the 53, that amount of money doesn't keep you from signing someone and he might just be tradeable. That's true, some other team might be willing to take him if we send a 6th round pick and a jumbo bag of popcorn with him. Quote
sparky151 Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 20 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: Lee was being considered at G last year and it was indicated that the team had envisioned he could play there. Lee is listed at 295 lbs and didn't play a single snap at guard. Even when Volson was benched and OBj was out. And rightly so. He isn't a guard. His snaps were all as a jumbo extra TE or on special teams as a wing protector. Quote
MichaelWeston Posted February 19 Author Report Posted February 19 10 minutes ago, sparky151 said: Lee is listed at 295 lbs and didn't play a single snap at guard. Even when Volson was benched and OBj was out. And rightly so. He isn't a guard. His snaps were all as a jumbo extra TE or on special teams as a wing protector. He weighted that much when he entered the league. He was considered at G last year. I don't know what to tell you. You can post it many times but that's just the facts. Quote
sparky151 Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 Considered at guard by whom? The team didn't give him a single snap last year at either guard or center. He was drafted to be a potential Karras replacement if Ted leaves after this season. They had Ford and Kirkland and other guys as the backups for Volson and Cappa. Quote
-GoBengals- Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 On 2/18/2025 at 5:45 AM, High School Harry said: Agree very much with 2. Kirkland has been around long enough to have developed into an intriguing player 6- Don't like putting all those eggs in a 7th round draft pick's basket. Esp considering the price of eggs right now. Volson... the team scapegoat and whipping boy... will the new Offensive Line Coach harness his potential? Is he, perhaps, a better OT? Scapegoat? he is terrible. the only consistent thing about the offnse for the last 3 years is that Volson sucks. 2024....he was the 97th ranked pass blocking guard..... ther are 64 starters... he was worse than 32 backup guards with qualifying snaps, at pass blocking.. if teams palyed 3 guards... he still wouldnt have graded as even the worst of 96 starting guards... scapegoat/whipping boy.... getting his ass whipped every game maybe... are we banking on his progress? cause in 2023, he was 102nd ranked pass blocking guard...if everyteam played 3 guards... there would still be 6 guards better than him on teams depth charts... scapegoat volson... poor poor white buy from a dakota state getting a bad wrap.... its just not fare... woke culture holding him down? the PROMISE of his 2022 campaign.. when he ranked 87th in pass blocking... man o man if every team started 3 guards, he coulda been ranked as an nfl guard... a terrible one still.. but he made the list... he has not ONCE been graded as a top 64 (which is still very bad, VERY VERY BAD) and he couldnt even sniff that range.... reverse racism got the poor country poor not geting a fare shake in ohio... #scapegoat #saveCordell #dontjustthecolorofhisskin #PFFisRacist On 2/18/2025 at 9:05 AM, MichaelWeston said: He played primarily RT in college. I wonder if RG or RT is his best spot. couldn't be any worse. but im going to guess he just isnt very good. 3 entire years is plenty of time to adjust from one side to the other. this google search wrong or did he play 41 consecutive games at left guard? On 2/18/2025 at 9:49 AM, BBR said: I don't get the centers in this years draft... Are they really all that bad or is it just that the "experts" haven't paid attention to them yet. It seems odd that the best centers are projected to be drafted in the 4th or 5th round if not later. Maybe several of them will "rise up the draft boards" once the combine rolls around. it does seem like a scarce bunch, looks like the top 3 guys are even prospected on potential vs known commodity skillsets. we have seen some times where no C were taken in first.. rare but its happened if i recall. On 2/18/2025 at 10:54 AM, High School Harry said: Interesting thought. We've pretty much written off Cappa and seeing how Volson does over there could be a thought. a terrible one. because he fucking sucks. 21 hours ago, T-Dub said: I like this other than the Volson part. They already benched him for Ford, what's the point in wasting any more time or money on him? exactly. 21 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: Trying him at RT/RG and or seeing how he responds with different coaching. why? he sucks, he has sucked consistently for 3 straight full seasons.... what are you clinging to? and WHY are you clinging to it? im starting to think if Cordell was a bit tanner he would ahve been chase out of town already by the fanbase... but for some unknown reason. people want to give one of the worst players in the nfl at his positon a 4th chance at a 300% pay raise?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?! make it make sense. 21 hours ago, T-Dub said: I've seen more than enough Volson but I guess that's for our new OL coach to decide for himself. Still say if he makes the 53 it's either because someone got hurt in camp or the FO fucked up again. yep. and even the franchise seems to have decided that last year, id imagine the second they secure a free agent replacement he is removed from the roster. even waiting for 53 man cutdowns isnt needed, is a free agent off the street going to perform WORSE than 97th, 102nd and 87th pass blocking guard?!?!? almost cant be worse than that. 21 hours ago, sparky151 said: Lee can't play guard in the NFL. If the team is looking to upgrade from Volson, this is the year to do it with plenty of options in free agency. We don't have to take a minimalist approach to improvement. We don't need to go very low end FA. We can sign someone who started regularly and is much better than Volson and Cappa. The bar for that isn't very high. yep. 21 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: Lee was being considered at G last year and it was indicated that the team had envisioned he could play there. i dont think he was. even if they gave some friendly lip service to the idea, he has got no reps there in camp, preseason or practice, 21 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: Very possible, but there is no real reason to cut him before the drop down to the 53, that amount of money doesn't keep you from signing someone and he might just be tradeable. what do you think he does better than anyone off the street? thats where you keep a guy... knowing the scheme isnt doing him any favors performance wise so we can scrap that one.. his salary is the reason to cut him now. he isnt valuable in ANY way... unless im missing something... pretty sure joe isnt coming to his defense.. is the nfl like the nba? you can cut this dude right now, and then sign him back for way less in august if 5 of our guards get hurt in a bus accident? 21 hours ago, T-Dub said: That's true, some other team might be willing to take him if we send a 6th round pick and a jumbo bag of popcorn with him. ah we need more NBA like trade in the nfl... "according to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski. Denver is trading Reggie Jackson to Charlotte with three unprotected second-round picks, source tells ESPN" lol, its because of garaunteed contracts there, which nfl doest have that problem... nuggets traded Reggie Jackson AND 3 picks to the hornets.... for nothing... hornets ate his salary and cut him. hilarious.... imagine being Reggie, nice guy, from colorado, a team gave up 3 picks for you to not be on the team anymore, and then another paid like 6 million dollars for you to not be on their team anymore... lmao. 1 Quote
MichaelWeston Posted February 19 Author Report Posted February 19 1 hour ago, sparky151 said: Considered at guard by whom? The team didn't give him a single snap last year at either guard or center. He was drafted to be a potential Karras replacement if Ted leaves after this season. They had Ford and Kirkland and other guys as the backups for Volson and Cappa. https://www.facebook.com/WDN2day/posts/could-we-be-seeing-bengals-rookie-matt-lee-on-sunday-vs-the-browns/577353035043945/ Quote
MichaelWeston Posted February 19 Author Report Posted February 19 Here are Volson's starts Total: (65/41) 37 RT, 2 LT, 2 RG Quote
MichaelWeston Posted February 20 Author Report Posted February 20 LG Mekari-Played LG for the Ravens in 2024. Has been a solid pass blocker for the Ravens all 6 years, snaps and starts at all 5 positions. Started as a C went to RG, then RT, then LT and finally last year as a LG. Will turn 28 at beginning of the year. Teven Jenkins-Could have drafted him instead of Carman, solid PFF scores but injuries. Bears seem ok with moving on despite plenty of cap space Dalton Risner-Very good but no one wants him because I think he is a bit of a jerk. Evan Brown-I’ve wanted him since he was an RFA that went untendered. Starting seasons at LG, C and RG. Graded out best this year. Aaron Banks-3 years of starts, Not too great at pass blocking, only a LG Tomlinson-He’s 33, 144 career starts, All at LG, decent pass blocking score last year Robert Jones-Just 26 hasn’t been great as a pass blocker, 30 career starts, most snaps at LG Bredeson-Tampa Guard, snaps at RG and c but mostly LG, 3 teams already, Just 27 Lucas Patrick played LG for the Saints in 2024 but has lots of experience at C and RG, up and down stats pass blocking RG James Daniels-Ended the year on IR due to an Achilles injury, P-Blocking game has been solid, last 4 years at RG first 3 at LG, Will Fries-Solely a RG, Put on IR with a Tibia injury. Was playing well through first quarter of the year. Just 27 Kevin Zeitler-I doubt he would come back, I doubt he’d leave the Lions, but I’d welcome him and his 197 career starts back after nearly a decade. He is 35 years old. Trey Smith-He will make bank and the Chiefs are letting him walk. Solid pass blocker, great run blocker just 26. I assume we won’t go after his price range Ben Bartch: Just 27, 22 career starts, Most snaps came in his second year at RG but last three years more at LG. Mekhi Becton-Was here last year for a look at tackle. Played RG for the first time and played well. Only 26, Trystan Colon-Just 27. 15 career starts, 7 this year, very good pass blocking grades every year. Played RG in 24, LG in 23, C in 20-21 Matt Pryor-Has bounced around the league with 4 teams in 6 years, Primarily playing RG but lots of snaps at both tackles, Solid pass blocking this year at RG in Chicago. Cheap 1 year contract this year at 1yr 1.175. Will Hernandez-Last 4 years at RG after 3 at LG, Solid pass blocking grade last 3 years, Went on IR with a knee injury week 5 Zack Martin-He’s 34 but has a lifetime of good play, All at RG. 24 was his worst year per PFF 162 Career Starts Brandon Scherff-He’s a youngster comparably at 33, great pass blocking grade last year, another RG only guy. Strong passing grade last 2 years. 140 Career Starts. He would be a target for me and makes sense as a veteran who wants to finish his career on a winning team. Greg Van Roten-Very inexpensive 17 game starter who would be an improvement as a pass blocker. Mostly a RG over past 6 seasons, prior to that starts at LG Austin Corbett-C experience in 24 but played RG for the 4 years prior, tore his biceps tendon in 24, tore his MCL in 23 and his ACL in 22. Dillan Radunz-Started 15 games for the Titans in 24 and wasn’t great, Versatile and has played RG-RT-LT and LG All at RG in 24. Only 27 Swing Tackle Morgan Moses is 34 but has been solid pass blocker the majority of his career. 158 starts over his career George Fant-75 career starts, only 30 snaps last year, 33 years old. Tyron Smith is 34 and has had 2 back-to-back great years. He might have a safe place to start, or he might just want to play another year on a team that is competing. 145 Career starts Kelvin Beachum is 36 with 161 career starts, pass blocking looks excellent Cornelius Lucas is 34, very good pass blocking scores on rotational snaps at RT and LT over the passed 5 seasons Kendrick Lamm is 33, great pass blocking scores the last 2 years one at RT one at LT. Coached by Peters in 2020 James Hudson, 26, coached by Peters in Cleveland, not great pass blocking scores, went to UC. Time at LT and RT. Quote
MichaelWeston Posted February 20 Author Report Posted February 20 This is a little bit of a cleaner look at the potential guys at LG, RG and Swing Tackle Draft Order Cap OL Age Overall Pass Block Run Block Snaps Starts 24/Career Notes Position Centers Karras-Bengals 32 64.1 78 54.9 1136 17/99 2026 C/LG/RG Lee-Bengals 24 57.3 71.7 63.3 27 1/1 2028 ITE Draft Order Cap OL Age Overall Pass Block Run Block Snaps Starts 24/Career Notes Position Left Guard Volson-Bengals 27 59.3 49.4 65.6 984 15/48 2026 LG Ford-Bengals 28 50.6 50.2 49.8 688 9/42 RT/LG/RG/LT 2025 10 Jenkins-Bears 27 75.4 75.8 74.3 738 14/38 LG/RG Risner-Vikings 30 68.1 76.1 58.8 611 8/81 Rascati-20/23 LG/RG Jackson-Rams 28 67.6 59.5 68.8 267 4/61 McCarthy-18 LG-RG-C Err 2027 CC? Brown-Cardinals 28 65.9 73.5 58.7 1070 17/57 LG/C/RG 1 yr 2.35M Banks-49ers 28 65.4 60.5 68.9 775 13/43 LG 9 1 Patrick-Saints 32 64.6 60.3 66.3 562 10/64 C/RG/LG LG 2024 3 Tomlinson-Seahawks 33 62.1 65.1 59.7 1094 17/155 McCarthy-17 LG 10 Mekari-Ravens 28 59 71.6 56 1131 17/53 RT/LG/C/LT/RG 4 Jones-Dolphins 26 56.1 54.3 56.4 1080 17/30 LG/RG 9 Bredeson-Bucs 27 56 59.9 53.2 1173 17/42 LG/RG/C Draft Order Cap OL Age Overall Pass Block Run Block Snaps Starts 24/Career Notes Position Right Guard Cappa-Bengals 30 50.5 39.7 54.9 1132 17/96 2026 RG Manning-Bengals 27 NA Futures NA Kirkland-Bengals 27 49.3 50.3 3 NA 2025 ITE Stueber-Bengals 26 71.8 65 69.7 5 NA 2026 RG Daniels-Stealers 28 92.9 66.5 92.5 209 4/84 IR Achilles RG/LG/C Fries-Colts 27 86.9 74.9 84.9 268 5/31 IR-Tibia RG Zeitler-Lions 35 86.8 71.8 87.2 1047 16/197 RG Smith-Chiefs 26 75.3 67 77.4 1232 17/67 RG Bartch-49ers 27 74.8 74 71.2 65 2/22 RG/LG Becton-Eagles 26 71.8 61.8 71 1158 15/45 RG/LT/RT Colon-Cardinals 27 71 65.9 68.5 386 7/15 RG/LG/C 10 Pryor-Bears 30 69.9 78.1 65.9 1005 15/39 1yr 1.175M RG/RT/LT/LG Hernandez-Cardinals 30 69.3 74.2 66 280 5/56 IR-Knee RG/LG 7 Martin-Cowboys 34 65.6 62 63.3 638 10/162 Captain RG/RT 5 Scherf-Jaguars 33 64.7 74.5 57.3 1013 17/140 3yr 49.5 RG 3 Van Roten-Giants 35 63.4 64.9 62.3 1121 17/88 1yr 2M RG/LG/C 8 Corbett-Panthers 29 62.9 66.8 59.3 291 5/67 IR Bicep RG/LG/C 1 Radunz-Titans 27 57 63.9 53.6 903 15/31 RG/RT/LG/LT Draft Order Cap OL Age Overall Pass Block Run Block Snaps Starts 24/Career Notes Position Tackle Brown-Bengals 29 58.2 69.5 49.7 637 11/103 2027 LT/RT Mims-Bengals 23 57.8 60.8 52.6 835 13/13 2029 RT Cochran-Bengals 27 50.6 50.8 57.5 152 1/1 2026 RT/LT Coker-Bengals 24 NA Futures NA Brown-Bengals 32 65.2 64.2 68.4 139 3/96 2025 RT/LT Smith-Bengals 27 0/1 2025 LT/ITE IR 7 Smith-Jets 34 73.7 72.3 72.4 592 10/145 LT/RT Beachum-Cardinals 36 64.1 75.4 54.2 742 12/161 LT/RT 3 Fant-Seahawks 33 61.3 44.7 68.2 30 2/75 LT/RT Lucas-Commanders 34 74.1 79.1 66.7 464 7/54 1yr 2.8M RT/LT 4 Lamm-Dolphins 33 72.7 83.1 53.7 512 7/44 1yr 2.575M RT/LT Peters-20 7 Moses-Jets 34 63.3 69.2 60.6 723 14/158 RT/LT 2 2 Hudson-Browns 26 50.4 40.2 57.7 222 3/17 Peters-21-23 RT/LT UC 1 Quote
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