April 11Apr 11 comment_1791924 Teams don't share revenues with the league for club seats so more of those would pump up the team's bottom line.
April 11Apr 11 comment_1791931 18 hours ago, GoBengals said: if they could replace all stairs with escalators... thatd be great.. As the very funny comedian Mitch Hedberg said “escalators are never broken, they just become stairs…sorry for the convenience”
April 11Apr 11 comment_1791934 3 hours ago, Jamie_B said: The scoreboard thing I don't see much difference? All the other things seem reasonable. turns the whole endzone into a club level, taking the cheaperst seats in the area turning them into more of the most expensive, ads luxury for the cold weather haters, scoreboard looks to be double in size, likely forming it to a 70k seating statdium from whatever they say it is now.. so ads revenue+luxury+technology.
April 12Apr 12 comment_1791963 how about putting in the lease a winning team gets more then a losing team, i'm tired of the bengals acting like they own the stadium heres an idea, if the bengals will sign a contract to stay in cincinnati for the next 25 years just give the team the stadium ,lock stock and barrel let them be responsible for its improvements and upkeep.
April 12Apr 12 comment_1791989 2 hours ago, Griever said: Interesting perspective and good selling point.
April 12Apr 12 comment_1791992 Claims like that are always made for government subsidies. As if the money spent on the Bengals wouldn’t have been spent at all.
April 12Apr 12 comment_1791993 1 hour ago, High School Harry said: Interesting perspective and good selling point. Why in hell is the county lobbying for giving a $5B NFL franchise $380M? "jOb CReAtOrS" Kroger is a job creator, does the county pay to build all their stores? Are the taxpayers supposed to put new booths and flatscreens in all the Skyline locations so they can stay "competitive"? What a joke.
April 12Apr 12 comment_1792008 20 hours ago, stryker57 said: how about putting in the lease a winning team gets more then a losing team, i'm tired of the bengals acting like they own the stadium heres an idea, if the bengals will sign a contract to stay in cincinnati for the next 25 years just give the team the stadium ,lock stock and barrel let them be responsible for its improvements and upkeep. none of this makes any sense. what a deal, "hey if you stay here 25 years you can have this 30 year old stadium that needs hundreds of millions of upkeep and even more improvement to even pretend to be a modern stadium, and dont worry, the neighboring city and businesses will continue to reap the rewards of having a multi billion dollar business and team downtown for FREEE!!!!11 they could just move to a real city. maybe the city should focus on not harassing the players resulting in dozens of millions of lawsuit dollars being paid out over the years for said actions, instead of splitting hairs over the only worthwhile pro sports team in the state (cavs are good but i stand by it). or is there a line of multi billion dollar businesses trying to move into cincinnati? or would you like to compare best team friendly stadium deals and those teams records.. the team is already behind the 8 ball being in southern ohio. definitely the path to attracting and keeping players would be continuing to have one of the worst stadiums.. why use logic, reason, and facts when you already had a villain picked out ahead of time, eh?
April 12Apr 12 comment_1792012 4 hours ago, T-Dub said: Why in hell is the county lobbying for giving a $5B NFL franchise $380M? "jOb CReAtOrS" Kroger is a job creator, does the county pay to build all their stores? Are the taxpayers supposed to put new booths and flatscreens in all the Skyline locations so they can stay "competitive"? What a joke. The stadium is owned by the county. Teams usually don't want to own their stadia due to property taxes but will do so if it's part of a bigger real estate development deal. The county is asking the state for money basically because the legislature seems to want to give the Browns money for their dome. The governor has threatened to veto it if the General Assembly makes the state's bonding authority applicable to sports stadia. It's supposed to be for roads, schools, prisons, hospitals and such. 30 minutes ago, GoBengals said: none of this makes any sense. what a deal, "hey if you stay here 25 years you can have this 30 year old stadium that needs hundreds of millions of upkeep and even more improvement to even pretend to be a modern stadium, and dont worry, the neighboring city and businesses will continue to reap the rewards of having a multi billion dollar business and team downtown for FREEE!!!!11 they could just move to a real city. maybe the city should focus on not harassing the players resulting in dozens of millions of lawsuit dollars being paid out over the years for said actions, instead of splitting hairs over the only worthwhile pro sports team in the state (cavs are good but i stand by it). or is there a line of multi billion dollar businesses trying to move into cincinnati? or would you like to compare best team friendly stadium deals and those teams records.. the team is already behind the 8 ball being in southern ohio. definitely the path to attracting and keeping players would be continuing to have one of the worst stadiums.. why use logic, reason, and facts when you already had a villain picked out ahead of time, eh? The Bengals are only free to move elsewhere if Cincinnati City Council and the Hamilton County Commission free them to move without Modell law compliance. Not happening. The Brown family is well aware of the law, threats to move are just posturing.
April 13Apr 13 comment_1792014 27 minutes ago, sparky151 said: The stadium is owned by the county. Teams usually don't want to own their stadia due to property taxes but will do so if it's part of a bigger real estate development deal. The county is asking the state for money basically because the legislature seems to want to give the Browns money for their dome. The governor has threatened to veto it if the General Assembly makes the state's bonding authority applicable to sports stadia. It's supposed to be for roads, schools, prisons, hospitals and such. The Bengals are only free to move elsewhere if Cincinnati City Council and the Hamilton County Commission free them to move without Modell law compliance. Not happening. The Brown family is well aware of the law, threats to move are just posturing. All that requires is 6 months notice, unless you think the city or someone local has $5B laying around. Besides which the NFL could throw lawyers at the problem and keep it in court for years. That aside, I think the public paying for NFL stadiums is absurd.
April 13Apr 13 comment_1792015 1 hour ago, T-Dub said: That aside, I think the public paying for NFL stadiums is absurd Hamilton County also owns Great American Ball Park. New or newer stadia nationwide—with a few exceptions—all have public contributions in their funding. I have no idea as to the dynamics of where public entity general funds (state/local) allocate their “taxpayer dollars” to. I do know, however, that neither Hamilton County, Cuyahoga County. or the state of Ohio can move a dime anywhere unless it is permitted by statute. If the fuss over public funding of sports stadia is large enough, the opponents can get the required number of signatures and put it on a ballot referendum. If a recreational marijuana initiative can amend the Ohio Constitution, no reason that the same to bar public funding for entertainment playpens can’t go through
April 13Apr 13 comment_1792017 1 hour ago, T-Dub said: All that requires is 6 months notice, unless you think the city or someone local has $5B laying around. Besides which the NFL could throw lawyers at the problem and keep it in court for years. That aside, I think the public paying for NFL stadiums is absurd. NFL teams keep increasing in value so they aren't bad investments. As I pointed out at the time, the county could have bought the team for what they spent on PBS. It has of course depreciated over the past 25 years while the team is much more valuable now. If the city or county wanted to buy the team, they probably could borrow the money with the team as collateral. The NFL has rules against that level of indebtedness but those won't overrule state law. Or the city could recruit someone who wants to own an NFL team to buy it. Jeff Bezos is expected to buy the Seahawks when Jodie Allen sells it in a couple of years. But Musk or Ellison or some other centibillionaire may be happy to own an NFL team without having to do more than write a check and dispense with the bother of background checks and approval votes by the other owners. And tying the team up for years would be fine with the county, not so much with the Brown family. When Ohio sued MLS over the Columbus Crew, one of the first things that happened was a judge froze the clock on the 6 month window for the duration of the litigation. 36 minutes ago, Le Tigre said: Hamilton County also owns Great American Ball Park. New or newer stadia nationwide—with a few exceptions—all have public contributions in their funding. I have no idea as to the dynamics of where public entity general funds (state/local) allocate their “taxpayer dollars” to. I do know, however, that neither Hamilton County, Cuyahoga County. or the state of Ohio can move a dime anywhere unless it is permitted by statute. If the fuss over public funding of sports stadia is large enough, the opponents can get the required number of signatures and put it on a ballot referendum. If a recreational marijuana initiative can amend the Ohio Constitution, no reason that the same to bar public funding for entertainment playpens can’t go through Ohio's bonding authority was approved by the voters back in the 1960s for public works. Previously the Ohio Constitution banned state debts. There's nothing in the clause that specifically applies to stadia, so if the General Assembly approves using state bond money for that purpose, there will certainly be suits about it in Cuyahoga county. For what it's worth, the marijuana law was an initiated statute and can be repealed or amended freely as the GA desires. That's why we have so many constitutional amendments for various picayune matters. It only takes 50%+1 vote to amend the constitution and put something out of the legislature's reach so initiated statutes are uncommon. I'd be in favor of making the constitution harder to amend while giving statutes a safe harbor period of say 4 or 5 years.
April 13Apr 13 comment_1792021 Aside from this almost certainly amounting to a nothing-burger in the end, it's pretty interesting.
April 13Apr 13 comment_1792024 5 hours ago, sparky151 said: The stadium is owned by the county. Teams usually don't want to own their stadia due to property taxes but will do so if it's part of a bigger real estate development deal. The county is asking the state for money basically because the legislature seems to want to give the Browns money for their dome. The governor has threatened to veto it if the General Assembly makes the state's bonding authority applicable to sports stadia. It's supposed to be for roads, schools, prisons, hospitals and such. The Bengals are only free to move elsewhere if Cincinnati City Council and the Hamilton County Commission free them to move without Modell law compliance. Not happening. The Brown family is well aware of the law, threats to move are just posturing. i still dont know why you think that law means anything to anyone? have you never seen the power of the nfl? even if they faced some sort of penalty, it would be pocket lint to the league/team. The league would LOVE the tem to move to a better market. literally. PRIME exacmple RIGHT NOW.. is the sunday ticket nfl price gauging lawsuit, a jury trial awarded 4.7 BILLION after full trial and decision.. supreme court judge threw it out like it was stale cheerios. no one cares.. money is power, money wins.. some bullshit ass ohio butthurt law means absolutely NOTHING. lucky for everyone they have no intention of leaving.. but they should have gone to baltimore when they had the chance. and we all know the city will cave and give whats needed.... but certainly some silly law passed for political grandstanding for a politician to appease butthurt fans when a team left isnt stoping the nfl from doing anything ever.
April 13Apr 13 comment_1792035 8 hours ago, GoBengals said: i still dont know why you think that law means anything to anyone? have you never seen the power of the nfl? even if they faced some sort of penalty, it would be pocket lint to the league/team. The league would LOVE the tem to move to a better market. literally. PRIME exacmple RIGHT NOW.. is the sunday ticket nfl price gauging lawsuit, a jury trial awarded 4.7 BILLION after full trial and decision.. supreme court judge threw it out like it was stale cheerios. no one cares.. money is power, money wins.. some bullshit ass ohio butthurt law means absolutely NOTHING. lucky for everyone they have no intention of leaving.. but they should have gone to baltimore when they had the chance. and we all know the city will cave and give whats needed.... but certainly some silly law passed for political grandstanding for a politician to appease butthurt fans when a team left isnt stoping the nfl from doing anything ever. The DirecTV case was a Federal case under US anti-trust law. The judge has generally been laughed at for his handling of the case and he retired soon after. He overturned a verdict by the jury because they awarded too much in his view based on evidence that he admitted to the trial. That's professionally embarrassing as the jury is supposed to be the finder of facts. The overturning of the verdict is on appeal and may well be reinstated. The NFL certainly doesn't consider 4.7 billion pocket lint and would be hard pressed to come up with the funds. They were struggling to afford an appeal bond until the judge came to their rescue. A Modell law case vs the Bengals would be under Ohio law and tried in Hamilton county Common Pleas court. Those judges are locally elected. The NFL wouldn't be a party to the case and can't remove it to Federal court. Very different situation. As you note, the team isn't leaving so everyone including them knows the threat to do so is meaningless. It's just Katie running her mouth toward the county government after she got done dissing Hendrickson.
April 13Apr 13 comment_1792038 14 hours ago, sparky151 said: The Bengals are only free to move elsewhere if Cincinnati City Council and the Hamilton County Commission free them to move without Modell law compliance. Not happening. The Brown family is well aware of the law, threats to move are just posturing. I believe that Art Modell law says they can't leave Ohio. Nothing says they have to stay in the city or even be close to Cincinnati. I also tend to wonder how constitutional it is.
April 13Apr 13 comment_1792064 6 hours ago, Jamie_B said: I believe that Art Modell law says they can't leave Ohio. Nothing says they have to stay in the city or even be close to Cincinnati. I also tend to wonder how constitutional it is. The only high court who could look at it, would be the Ohio Supreme Court. The Crew case was being prepped by former ownership to try and challenge it, but their chances were so dismal—even with a much more favorable court makeup at the time—they never went there. At present—without intervention by the Ohio General Assembly—it is perfectly legal under Ohio law. And, as Sparky correctly points out, the dispute would not be a federal one…so the US Constitution is not involved.
April 14Apr 14 comment_1792142 On 4/13/2025 at 10:30 AM, Jamie_B said: I believe that Art Modell law says they can't leave Ohio. Nothing says they have to stay in the city or even be close to Cincinnati. I also tend to wonder how constitutional it is. No, it prevents a team from leaving the city where the publicly financed stadium is located. That's why Cleveland is in court in Cuyahoga county to prevent the Browns from moving from the lakefront to the suburbs 10 miles away. The Haslams have enough political clout they can probably get the law amended to at least allow a short move within a market. On 4/13/2025 at 4:55 PM, Le Tigre said: The only high court who could look at it, would be the Ohio Supreme Court. The Crew case was being prepped by former ownership to try and challenge it, but their chances were so dismal—even with a much more favorable court makeup at the time—they never went there. At present—without intervention by the Ohio General Assembly—it is perfectly legal under Ohio law. And, as Sparky correctly points out, the dispute would not be a federal one…so the US Constitution is not involved. Yeah the 10 District Court of Appeals (Franklin County) sent the MLS appeal back almost immediately with a per curiam. (unsigned) opinion upholding the trial judge. That was a big signal to MLS to settle the case.
April 15Apr 15 comment_1792179 (pay-walled) https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2025/04/14/hamilton-county-readies-demolition-of-hilltop.html?csrc=6398
April 22Apr 22 comment_1792727 https://local12.com/news/local/hamilton-county-strikes-a-deal-with-bengals-on-paycor-stadium-improvements-cincinnati-lease-upgrades-deadline-nfl-national-football-league-commission-commissioners-vote-june Sounds like the Bengals aren't going anywhere
April 22Apr 22 comment_1792731 https://www.fox19.com/2025/04/22/county-bengals-commit-184m-paycor-stadium-improvements/ County, Bengals to commit $184M to Paycor Stadium improvements CINCINNATI (ENQUIRER) - Hamilton County and the Bengals have reached an agreement to reach an agreement, according to our partners at the Cincinnati Enquirer. The county announced Tuesday a memorandum of understanding to make $184 million in improvements to Paycor Stadium in the next year and reach a long-term agreement by June 30 of this year. The team would pay $120 million, the county $64 million. Under the deal, the Bengals would renovate club lounges and suites as well as improve concessions. The county would put in new escalators, refurbish the elevators and upgrade the power grid and other technology, according to the agreement. The agreement makes it clear both the team and county want to reach a long-term lease in the next two months. Deadlines are approaching. The Bengals have until June 30 to decide whether the team will extend the current lease another two years. If the team doesn’t, the current lease with the county expires June 30, 2026. What would a new lease look like? The agreement on Tuesday doesn’t guarantee the Bengals and county will come to terms on a new lease but outlines what a long-term deal might look like. The Bengals and county have agreed that a long-term deal would involve $830 million in improvements to Paycor Stadium, according to the memorandum and a county plan released earlier this month. The county and team have pledged to seek other sources of money, including from the state of Ohio. The county and team have asked the state to allocate $350 million for Paycor Stadium in its two-year state budget. The NFL has kicked in some money The county, in the agreement, stated the NFL has committed some loan money to the project, though it didn’t specify the amount. For the first tim,e the NFL will help with Paycor Stadium, said County Administrator Jeff Aluotto. Aluotto said the agreement on Tuesday involves some of the first improvements to Paycor Stadium that would begin in 2026. The agreement could be canceled if the team and county can’t agree on a new lease, he said.
April 22Apr 22 comment_1792761 4 hours ago, High School Harry said: The county and team have pledged to seek other sources of money, including from the state of Ohio. From the estimated amounts for renovation, the state would have to "kick in" for a lot of it. There isn't a lot of interest from the state/et al towards Jimmy H's poor hand-wringing, so one would have to think it won't be much kinder to our guys. The proposal was first announced last year, with the Browns looking to leave their current home at Huntington Bank Field on the lakefront in downtown Cleveland. The team is asking for $1.2 billion in taxpayer money to help pay for the project, which may cost $2.4 billion to build. Under their plan, $600 million would come from the state in the form of bonds, and be paid back by tax revenues. Brook Park and Cuyahoga County would be asked for another $600 million in bonds, to be covered by parking, admissions, and income tax. The rest would be paid for by the Haslam Sports Group, which owns the Cleveland Browns, and if all goes well, the stadium will be open by 2029. State, county, and city officials have condemned the plan. Gov. Mike DeWine recommends raising the sports betting tax and using the money to create a fund that all sports teams can use. DeWine has also argued that Ohio doesn’t have the money for such a project, saying “We can’t really afford to continue to put money in sports stadiums out of a general fund.” Ohio House Speaker Matt Huffman, R-Lima, has said the state can’t afford to fully fund public education. Last week, he submitted a proposed budget decimating the amount called for under the Fair School Funding Plan by about two-thirds, to $226 million. Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibb also criticized the idea, and Cuyahoga County Executive Chris Ronayne called the proposal “a risky bet with taxpayer dollars.” He believes the data isn’t there to justify his county’s investment.
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