8 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

He wont be there, but if he was I tend to think they would change the Offense a little.

 

Maybe, but what was stopping them from trying to find some kind of offensive balance with the RBs they already have?  I don't mean anything like 50/50 run/pass, but not necessarily throwing the ball more than all but 2-3 teams. 

 

The usual answer is "because the OL is dogshit at run blocking", which is probably true..  But then what is a different RB going to do for us?  Pretty sure Brown is more than capable so let's put a better OL in front of him instead.

3 minutes ago, spicoli said:

 

RB is a need.

 

 

Why? Does Brown suck now?  They just brought Perine back.  They consistently run the ball less than almost anyone.  They need another RB because?

 

Guard is a need.  DE is a need. LB is a need.

7 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

Maybe, but what was stopping them from trying to find some kind of offensive balance with the RBs they already have?  I don't mean anything like 50/50 run/pass, but not necessarily throwing the ball more than all but 2-3 teams. 

 

The usual answer is "because the OL is dogshit at run blocking", which is probably true..  But then what is a different RB going to do for us?  Pretty sure Brown is more than capable so let's put a better OL in front of him instead.

 

 

Tee is a great WR, that doesn't mean I'm not drafting Jamar

7 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

 

Why? Does Brown suck now?  They just brought Perine back.  They consistently run the ball less than almost anyone.  They need another RB because?

 

Guard is a need.  DE is a need. LB is a need.

 

I think the question is is Perine still the same guy that ran behind Mixon or is he Vonn Bell from last year?

13 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

I think the question is is Perine still the same guy that ran behind Mixon or is he Vonn Bell from last year?

 

Definitely questionable, but they signed him so I assume they intend to play him in some capacity.  Looking at this contract though they could drop him for practically nothing if they eventually decide to go a different direction.

1 hour ago, T-Dub said:

 

Chase Brown is more than capable of handling the 10-12 carries a game the RB sees in this offense.  Unless they plan on doubling that number what's the point?

 

15-18 carries per game. .and he got hurt twice, and missed week 18 which was vital. which he is not(vital).

 

i agree i dont want any RB. its such a non-game changer spot and loaded with tallent each year.. a 5th rounder often is good enough.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, claptonrocks said:

I know Jeanty could be special.

I believe Treyveon Henderson will as well.

No RBs in 1st..

 

I wouldn't pick Mike Green or James Pierce.

Don't think either of these smallish DEs  could hold up in run game and don't want "possible one trick ponies" on passing downs 

 

 

 

 

sort of how the league is going, teams are rotating 5 DT's for regular snaps, and 3-4 at DE. same reason Trey rates poorly against the run or rather i should say has his biggest negative plays against the run. he is sort of a one trick pony...  the whole game is almost turning into specialists.

 

 

 

57 minutes ago, spicoli said:

Has anyone even watched Shamar Stewart beyond the stat line? That defense doesn’t even really unleash its pass rushers but Stewart was still a major disruptor in every aspect. Crazy to dismiss a guy like that based on stats. 

 

100% no one has watched a single snap, not even a highlight reel.

 

25 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

I'd say the same about any RB in the first 4-5 rounds.  Too many holes at more important positions.

 

you arent filling any holes at important positions with guys in the 4th round. unless its a kicker. those are picks youre taking a shots on a guy to either develop or overcoming a deficiency. 

 

21 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

Maybe, but what was stopping them from trying to find some kind of offensive balance with the RBs they already have?  I don't mean anything like 50/50 run/pass, but not necessarily throwing the ball more than all but 2-3 teams. 

 

The usual answer is "because the OL is dogshit at run blocking", which is probably true..  But then what is a different RB going to do for us?  Pretty sure Brown is more than capable so let's put a better OL in front of him instead.

 

well not being behind in every game the entire year had more to do with that than the line or the RB or the scheme or anything else.. seems completely unrelated. 

 

19 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

 

Why? Does Brown suck now?  They just brought Perine back.  They consistently run the ball less than almost anyone.  They need another RB because?

 

Guard is a need.  DE is a need. LB is a need.

 

were they supposed to run the ball down 13 in the second half or what?

 

11 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

I think the question is is Perine still the same guy that ran behind Mixon or is he Vonn Bell from last year?

 

perine wasnt that good back then.. he is a mediocre blocking back and can catch reliably. he isnt that good of an athlete. he is just a guy. 

48 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

They need another RB because?

lol Perine is just another guy, I’d say it’s 60/40 at best he even makes the final roster. They need at least one more….on top of the positions you mentioned. 

23 minutes ago, spicoli said:

lol Perine is just another guy, I’d say it’s 60/40 at best he even makes the final roster. They need at least one more….on top of the positions you mentioned. 

 

Not in the best situation with only 3 picks in rounds that can reasonably be expected to produce immediate starters.  Mid-3rd is already questionable & not even 1st overall is guaranteed.

 

Don't quite understand why they bet so much on draft picks in the middle of a SB window.  They should be using it to improve the roster, not counting on it for their starting 22.  I get they don't want to overpay for average talent but average is a hell of a lot better than none.

42 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

 

 

were they supposed to run the ball down 13 in the second half or what?

 

 

YES!  Yes they should.  Not repeatedly, no, but also not abandoning it entirely.  IIRC they've been around 75% passing or more for several years anyway, win or lose. It's not something dictated to them by the scoreboard.

 

Maybe take the bullseye off Joe just a little bit instead of asking him to be Superman every week?

6 hours ago, spicoli said:

Has anyone even watched Shamar Stewart beyond the stat line? That defense doesn’t even really unleash its pass rushers but Stewart was still a major disruptor in every aspect. Crazy to dismiss a guy like that based on stats. 

Living in TX, I’ve seen some A&M games. I wouldn’t dismiss Stewart, but I think he’s more of a “traits” guy. He’ll make some plays - but to me on that DL, Scourton is the DL I’d take. In games I saw, he was just more of a factor. Shemar Turner too, for that matter.
 

I fully understand how teams would spooze over Stewart, given his measurables… guys with his size and speed and athleticism are rare. He’s got 20-plus pounds and 2-3 inches on Scourton, so that’s not insignificant. 
 

To me, if they’re gonna go after a DE on day 1 or 2, I’d rather they grab a S or LB in round 1 and find someone like Scourton in round 2. I just don’t think Stewart is gonna be someone who’s a lot better than guys you can find later. 
 

‘Course, I’ve been wrong plenty so we’ll have to see.

RE: Stewart

 

Watched the draft long enough to know that traits/measurables without production rarely ends well.  Sure, you’re projecting for the future, but if you can’t produce against inferior talent in college it’s unlikely you will do it against better talent in the pros.

5 hours ago, texbengal said:

Living in TX, I’ve seen some A&M games. I wouldn’t dismiss Stewart, but I think he’s more of a “traits” guy. He’ll make some plays - but to me on that DL, Scourton is the DL I’d take. In games I saw, he was just more of a factor. Shemar Turner too, for that matter.
 

I fully understand how teams would spooze over Stewart, given his measurables… guys with his size and speed and athleticism are rare. He’s got 20-plus pounds and 2-3 inches on Scourton, so that’s not insignificant. 
 

To me, if they’re gonna go after a DE on day 1 or 2, I’d rather they grab a S or LB in round 1 and find someone like Scourton in round 2. I just don’t think Stewart is gonna be someone who’s a lot better than guys you can find later. 
 

‘Course, I’ve been wrong plenty so we’ll have to see.

 

 

I'd rather have Scourton too. 

13 hours ago, spicoli said:

Has anyone even watched Shamar Stewart beyond the stat line? That defense doesn’t even really unleash its pass rushers but Stewart was still a major disruptor in every aspect. Crazy to dismiss a guy like that based on stats. 

Brugler has a full 7 round mock out and said tyhis about Stewart:

 

11. San Francisco 49ers: Shemar Stewart, edge, Texas A&M

I certainly understand the reservations with Stewart and his lack of sack production in college — he isn’t a slam-dunk prospect. But he created plenty of noise when the Aggies allowed him to pin back his ears and attack the quarterback (he led A&M in pressures in 2024). His dominant Senior Bowl flashes and elite explosion numbers at the combine could be enough to convince a pass rush-starved team such as the 49ers to bet on his tools.

RB is a need for the Bengals, just not a first round need. Chase Brown can't handle 300 carries, we need to split the load and also need a physical back who is reliable in short yardage and goal line situations. We can find that sort of player from round 3 onward. Cam Skattebo or Damien Martinez in round 4 would work. So would later round guys like Tahj Brooks, Kyle Monangai, or Kalel Mullings. 

 

The Bengals tend to draft for need which is a recipe for a thinner roster. Other teams know you use free agency for needs and the draft to add talent. If Jeanty were on the board at 17 or Hampton at 49, the Bengals should pick them. 

 

 

10 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

RE: Stewart

 

Watched the draft long enough to know that traits/measurables without production rarely ends well.  Sure, you’re projecting for the future, but if you can’t produce against inferior talent in college it’s unlikely you will do it against better talent in the pros.

Oh Im sure he’ll end up in Pitt or Baltimore where he’ll wreak havoc on us twice a year for the next 6 or so. 

18 minutes ago, spicoli said:

Oh Im sure he’ll end up in Pitt or Baltimore where he’ll wreak havoc on us twice a year for the next 6 or so. 

Well they pick behind us so hopefully they don’t get the chance.  
 

37 career games.  4.5 sacks and 12 TFL.  Combine warrior.

36 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

37 career games.  4.5 sacks and 12 TFL.  Combine warrior.

 

We shall see.

I'm with a lot of other people that I don't want Shemar Stewart either.  

 

Also wouldn't be happy with any offensive player unless it's OL in the first.

 

I do think they need a running back later in the draft and someone I havent seen mentioned that I really like is Ollie Gordon from OK state.  Get him in maybe 5th round and think he would be a good compliment to Chase.

1 hour ago, soundstreamer said:

I'm with a lot of other people that I don't want Shemar Stewart either.  

 

Also wouldn't be happy with any offensive player unless it's OL in the first.

 

I do think they need a running back later in the draft and someone I havent seen mentioned that I really like is Ollie Gordon from OK state.  Get him in maybe 5th round and think he would be a good compliment to Chase.

 

 

Wouldn't hate an all-around TE since we don't have a healthy one

9 hours ago, soundstreamer said:

I'm with a lot of other people that I don't want Shemar Stewart either.  

 

Also wouldn't be happy with any offensive player unless it's OL in the first.

 

I do think they need a running back later in the draft and someone I havent seen mentioned that I really like is Ollie Gordon from OK state.  Get him in maybe 5th round and think he would be a good compliment to Chase.

Yeah I like Ollie. OK State wasn’t good last year and he wasn’t nearly as productive as the prior year, when he put up huge numbers. He’s not gonna win a ton of foot races but he’ll wear you down for sure.
 

Likable kid, too. That said, I think he’s had some alcohol issues in the past that may scare off some teams. 
 

There are a lot of good RBs coming out so the Bengals shouldn’t have a problem finding one. Dane Brugler on the Growler pod the other day said there are 30 plus guys with draftable grades, and given every team won’t be taking one, there will be some UDFAs that may stick in the NFL, too. 

Shemarr Stewart is going to be a star in the right defense who allows him to use his physical gifts….IMO. 
 

My puke pick is either Mike Green or that Pierce guy from Tennessee who will be drafted by the Eagles in Rd 2 and become an All Pro 😂 

On 4/15/2025 at 10:28 PM, spicoli said:

Has anyone even watched Shamar Stewart beyond the stat line? That defense doesn’t even really unleash its pass rushers but Stewart was still a major disruptor in every aspect. Crazy to dismiss a guy like that based on stats. 

No. Worse, most just hear the criticism of not finishing or not producing (sack numbers) and that's that. Actually watch Tape?!?! Or even more insane, full-game cutups versus highlight reels?!?! Why would anyone actually do THAT?

 

I've said it before, but I'll say it again. Stewart has already laid down the tape to show he's the most disruptive INTERIOR DL in this draft. That, IMO, is his floor. It's also something we sorely need. Now, he has dropped 15 lbs since he was that player, because he's angling for the EDGE. But here's a guy who's already got elite PRODUCTION in disruption (highest # of pass rush pressures in college), but because of his size and shape and the belief that he was playing DE (which is a misnomer, because he played INSIDE the OT -- which is to say, more DT than DE in A&M's scheme), people want to hold his 10.00 RAS score against him or something (all of this said, I won't disagree or argue that he has lots of room to improve in the areas of finishing). 

 

I see a guy who on Day 1 gives us massive improvement as an interior rusher (he's also, btw, already considered and ELITE run defender, but of course, people don't even care about that when they see EDGE, they think only sacks (incidentally, the HUGE knock on Trey Hendrickson is that he's a mid run defender because, yes, he sells out for the pass and you can run right at him (Mike Zimmer would not approve). But Hendrickson has NEVER had a real penetrator to keep the QB from stepping up while he's been here, and Stewart, at his worst, will provide exactly that. 

 

Here's what Shemar Stewart is to me, ultimately: he's a guy you can put in as a strong-side, run defending DE who is your #1 pass rushing DT on passing downs, that also lets you have Ossai and/or Murphy on the field coming from the edge to see if they can realize their potential - AT THE WORST...and AT BEST? He flowers at the DE spot where's he's allowed to truly pin his ears back in a way he never could at A&M and this 10.00 RAS score becomes the thing everyone 3 years from now points to when asking "how did he go so low?!" 

 

There IS some risk-reward to him, simply because the reward-side of the projection is unproven, but the stuff he's already shown (on tape, duh), to me, is hard to argue with, and raises his floor to a very high place. I, for one, will be very excited if he gets added to this roster. 

16 hours ago, alleycat said:

No. Worse, most just hear the criticism of not finishing or not producing (sack numbers) and that's that. Actually watch Tape?!?! Or even more insane, full-game cutups versus highlight reels?!?! Why would anyone actually do THAT?

 

I've said it before, but I'll say it again. Stewart has already laid down the tape to show he's the most disruptive INTERIOR DL in this draft. That, IMO, is his floor. It's also something we sorely need. Now, he has dropped 15 lbs since he was that player, because he's angling for the EDGE. But here's a guy who's already got elite PRODUCTION in disruption (highest # of pass rush pressures in college), but because of his size and shape and the belief that he was playing DE (which is a misnomer, because he played INSIDE the OT -- which is to say, more DT than DE in A&M's scheme), people want to hold his 10.00 RAS score against him or something (all of this said, I won't disagree or argue that he has lots of room to improve in the areas of finishing). 

 

I see a guy who on Day 1 gives us massive improvement as an interior rusher (he's also, btw, already considered and ELITE run defender, but of course, people don't even care about that when they see EDGE, they think only sacks (incidentally, the HUGE knock on Trey Hendrickson is that he's a mid run defender because, yes, he sells out for the pass and you can run right at him (Mike Zimmer would not approve). But Hendrickson has NEVER had a real penetrator to keep the QB from stepping up while he's been here, and Stewart, at his worst, will provide exactly that. 

 

Here's what Shemar Stewart is to me, ultimately: he's a guy you can put in as a strong-side, run defending DE who is your #1 pass rushing DT on passing downs, that also lets you have Ossai and/or Murphy on the field coming from the edge to see if they can realize their potential - AT THE WORST...and AT BEST? He flowers at the DE spot where's he's allowed to truly pin his ears back in a way he never could at A&M and this 10.00 RAS score becomes the thing everyone 3 years from now points to when asking "how did he go so low?!" 

 

There IS some risk-reward to him, simply because the reward-side of the projection is unproven, but the stuff he's already shown (on tape, duh), to me, is hard to argue with, and raises his floor to a very high place. I, for one, will be very excited if he gets added to this roster. 

Interesting take, thanks for that. I had read on one draft site a similar analysis (but I cannot find it now). 
Shemar Turner is an interesting cat as well, super aggressive often taking too many roughing penalties but somehow I want one of those duds on my team; especially in the AFC North. 

Duke's recent comments about needing the traits to play in the NFL and not necessarily needing college production makes me think the Bengals are high on the "ideal trait guys" (Mykel Williams & Shemar Stewart). 

 

Hopefully that means no Mike Green, who is undersized and whose main trait is not taking no for an answer. 

On 4/21/2025 at 11:04 AM, I_C_Deadpeople said:

but somehow I want one of those duds on my team;

Not to worry…there will be our fair share of “duds” 😄