James Rapien's prediction of what the Bengals do in all 6 rounds ...  Re: Stewart 

 

 

8 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:

James Rapien's prediction of what the Bengals do in all 6 rounds ...  Re: Stewart 

 

 

Thanks for coming out James..useless mock

This mock took my puke pick in Rd 1 - but then 3 guys I love in Rds 2, 3, 4

 

Sorry, I hear "Zabel" and think "Volson".  Naw baby naw.

12 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

I watched Draft Day last night, annual tradition for me. Good old Bo Callahan

On 4/16/2025 at 1:19 PM, sparky151 said:

RB is a need for the Bengals, just not a first round need. Chase Brown can't handle 300 carries, we need to split the load and also need a physical back who is reliable in short yardage and goal line situations. We can find that sort of player from round 3 onward. Cam Skattebo or Damien Martinez in round 4 would work. So would later round guys like Tahj Brooks, Kyle Monangai, or Kalel Mullings. 

 

The Bengals tend to draft for need which is a recipe for a thinner roster. Other teams know you use free agency for needs and the draft to add talent. If Jeanty were on the board at 17 or Hampton at 49, the Bengals should pick them. 

 

 

About the only RB I want is Skattebo and I wouldn't take him before Rd 4 or so unless we trade down for more picks. (he'll be long gone before then) My puke pick would be ANY skill position player before then. We need trench and overall D help in the worst way and another effing TE isn't gonna keep Joe from getting killed or the other team out of the end zone.

16 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

James Rapien's prediction of what the Bengals do in all 6 rounds ...  Re: Stewart 

 

 

 

 

He also had us taking Harmon in a different mock, and in the mock that they did with a bunch of fellow draft guys the consensus was Nolan.

 

I don't think they know at all.

46 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

He also had us taking Harmon in a different mock, and in the mock that they did with a bunch of fellow draft guys the consensus was Nolan.

 

I don't think they know at all.

Yep… they don’t. And then when the guy is ultimately picked, everyone pounds their chest and says “hey, I (tweeted/talked in a podcast) about that guy… loved him!”  Of course, what they don’t mention is they also did the same with 20 other guys, so they were bound to be correct.
 

So, way to go, all draft weenies! You’re effing geniuses. 
 

 

3 minutes ago, texbengal said:

Yep… they don’t. And then when the guy is ultimately picked, everyone pounds their chest and says “hey, I (tweeted/talked in a podcast) about that guy… loved him!”  Of course, what they don’t mention is they also did the same with 20 other guys, so they were bound to be correct.
 

So, way to go, all draft weenies! You’re effing geniuses. 
 

 

 

To be fair their last two consensus mocks they did with the whole team they got the first round pick right among the consensus. 

 

If that holds the pick is Nolan. 

 

Not sure that holds.

18 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

To be fair their last two consensus mocks they did with the whole team they got the first round pick right among the consensus. 

 

If that holds the pick is Nolan. 

 

Not sure that holds.

I think it was easier on the defensive side since Lou had been DC awhile and on the OL Pollack had been around, too. The media had a good feel for the kind of guys that they liked for their schemes, based on past history. 
 

It’s a different deal this year with Golden and his new crew, and on the OL with Peters being new. Plus they have pretty glaring needs at every level of the defense. 
 

I really like Nolen if he checks out character-wise. I heard Collinsworth the other day and he made a good point… QBs can deal better with pressure from the ends better… often easier to see and step up, etc.. but it’s very difficult to handle if it’s coming up the middle. 
 

I voted Starks for my pick, but I think Campbell or DTs like Nolen or Harmon would be great choices, too. Harmon seems to be more consistent but Nolen is so explosive. Based on what I’ve been reading lately, seems like Nolen in particular may be gone, as you’re alluding to. 

2 minutes ago, texbengal said:

I think it was easier on the defensive side since Lou had been DC awhile and on the OL Pollack had been around, too. The media had a good feel for the kind of guys that they liked for their schemes, based on past history. 
 

It’s a different deal this year with Golden and his new crew, and on the OL with Peters being new. Plus they have pretty glaring needs at every level of the defense. 
 

I really like Nolen if he checks out character-wise. I heard Collinsworth the other day and he made a good point… QBs can deal better with pressure from the ends better… often easier to see and step up, etc.. but it’s very difficult to handle if it’s coming up the middle. 
 

I voted Starks for my pick, but I think Campbell or DTs like Nolen or Harmon would be great choices, too. Harmon seems to be more consistent but Nolen is so explosive. Based on what I’ve been reading lately, seems like Nolen in particular may be gone, as you’re alluding to. 

 

 

None of us on this site got Miles Murphy right.

 

10 minutes ago, texbengal said:

I think it was easier on the defensive side since Lou had been DC awhile and on the OL Pollack had been around, too. The media had a good feel for the kind of guys that they liked for their schemes, based on past history. 
 

It’s a different deal this year with Golden and his new crew, and on the OL with Peters being new. Plus they have pretty glaring needs at every level of the defense. 
 

I really like Nolen if he checks out character-wise. I heard Collinsworth the other day and he made a good point… QBs can deal better with pressure from the ends better… often easier to see and step up, etc.. but it’s very difficult to handle if it’s coming up the middle. 
 

I voted Starks for my pick, but I think Campbell or DTs like Nolen or Harmon would be great choices, too. Harmon seems to be more consistent but Nolen is so explosive. Based on what I’ve been reading lately, seems like Nolen in particular may be gone, as you’re alluding to. 

Kenneth Grant is the next Chris Jones in this draft.  He might not be a legit 3Tech but I don't know how you pass on that if you need help on your DL. 

Grant is a NT, Graham was the 3T for Michigan. Grant is athletic but not especially explosive. I don't see the Chris Jones comparison. Jones can step out to the edge and Grant certainly can't do that.

 

1 hour ago, texbengal said:

 

I really like Nolen if he checks out character-wise. I heard Collinsworth the other day and he made a good point… QBs can deal better with pressure from the ends better… often easier to see and step up, etc.. but it’s very difficult to handle if it’s coming up the middle. 
 

 

Which is exactly why Tobin and staff have put so much emphasis on the IOL. Just look at what we did in FA. 

On 4/20/2025 at 6:50 PM, alleycat said:

No. Worse, most just hear the criticism of not finishing or not producing (sack numbers) and that's that. Actually watch Tape?!?! Or even more insane, full-game cutups versus highlight reels?!?! Why would anyone actually do THAT?

 

I've said it before, but I'll say it again. Stewart has already laid down the tape to show he's the most disruptive INTERIOR DL in this draft. That, IMO, is his floor. It's also something we sorely need. Now, he has dropped 15 lbs since he was that player, because he's angling for the EDGE. But here's a guy who's already got elite PRODUCTION in disruption (highest # of pass rush pressures in college), but because of his size and shape and the belief that he was playing DE (which is a misnomer, because he played INSIDE the OT -- which is to say, more DT than DE in A&M's scheme), people want to hold his 10.00 RAS score against him or something (all of this said, I won't disagree or argue that he has lots of room to improve in the areas of finishing). 

 

I see a guy who on Day 1 gives us massive improvement as an interior rusher (he's also, btw, already considered and ELITE run defender, but of course, people don't even care about that when they see EDGE, they think only sacks (incidentally, the HUGE knock on Trey Hendrickson is that he's a mid run defender because, yes, he sells out for the pass and you can run right at him (Mike Zimmer would not approve). But Hendrickson has NEVER had a real penetrator to keep the QB from stepping up while he's been here, and Stewart, at his worst, will provide exactly that. 

 

Here's what Shemar Stewart is to me, ultimately: he's a guy you can put in as a strong-side, run defending DE who is your #1 pass rushing DT on passing downs, that also lets you have Ossai and/or Murphy on the field coming from the edge to see if they can realize their potential - AT THE WORST...and AT BEST? He flowers at the DE spot where's he's allowed to truly pin his ears back in a way he never could at A&M and this 10.00 RAS score becomes the thing everyone 3 years from now points to when asking "how did he go so low?!" 

 

There IS some risk-reward to him, simply because the reward-side of the projection is unproven, but the stuff he's already shown (on tape, duh), to me, is hard to argue with, and raises his floor to a very high place. I, for one, will be very excited if he gets added to this roster. 

 

I think he's actually better off on the inside, since he has really poor change of direction skills and can't bend, or get around the arc very well. He's too upright and straight lined for my liking, especially at #17. I ALSO think that's why he avoided the shuttle drills at the combine and just did tests that showed off his straight line speed. I'd bet money if he did those test they would have dropped his RAS considerably. So to me his RAS should be marked incomplete, instead of that existing number that everyone seems to be raving about. That probably explains the rumors that his agent won't let him workout for teams. He's trying to hide that part of his game, or lack thereof, IMO. I think he's very similar to Myles Murphy, with less production and bend even than him. I don't want any part of him. 

FanDuel has the Bengals taking Stewart after the Eagles trade ahead of Cincy for Nolen. 

 

1 hour ago, bengaled said:

 

I think he's actually better off on the inside, since he has really poor change of direction skills and can't bend, or get around the arc very well. He's too upright and straight lined for my liking, especially at #17. I ALSO think that's why he avoided the shuttle drills at the combine and just did tests that showed off his straight line speed. I'd bet money if he did those test they would have dropped his RAS considerably. So to me his RAS should be marked incomplete, instead of that existing number that everyone seems to be raving about. That probably explains the rumors that his agent won't let him workout for teams. He's trying to hide that part of his game, or lack thereof, IMO. I think he's very similar to Myles Murphy, with less production and bend even than him. I don't want any part of him. 

This is why opinions differ on him:

 

STRENGTHS:  ● Rare athletic balance and fluidity for a 285-pounder ● Explosive off the ball with the flexibility to turn the corner and flatten ● Uses long arms and natural power to stab and separate from initial blocks ● Able to shake free with a cross-chop, club-rip or a variety of different swipes ● Rangy player and doesn't labor in transitions, allowing him to chase down ball carriers ● Smart contain player and sets a hard edge ● Uses wide base and body flexibility to root himself at the point of attack (rarely pushed out of his gap) ● Lateral quickness helps him blow up backside runs ● Surprises pulling blockers and ball carriers with closing burst ● Plays his butt off for all four quarters and competes with competitive edge (nickname is "The Menace") ● Versatile skill set, which allows him to play multiple positions up front (three-/4i-/five-/seven-technique) WEAKNESSES:  ● Major finishing issues (26.9 percent missed tackle rate in college) ● Struggles to break down on the move and stay under control as tackler (too many fly-by misses) ● Move-to-move sequencing as a pass rusher is still in the development phase ● Can get caught upright at times and spends too much time hand fighting, leaving him late to react to the run ● Basement-level sack production (4.5 sacks on 680 career pass rush snaps) SUMMARY: A one-year starter at Texas A&M, Stewart lined up primarily as an edge rusher in head coach Mike Elko's four-man front, also spending time head-up over the tackle and inside over the B-gap. He is the type of prospect who will test the "traits over production" slogan that NFL teams subscribe to, as he never had more than 1.5 sacks in any of his three seasons in College Station. However, his tape shows a far more disruptive player — he led the Aggies in pressures (39) in 2024. Stewart explodes out of his stance and is capable of creating immediate knockback or winning high-side with upfield burst/flexibility. His counter measures require maintenance, although he finds a lot of success based on his initial swipe or long-arm move. The No. 1 area in which he needs to improve is as a finisher. He has the athleticism to get to the ball but has no business missing as many tackles as he does, especially given his power and movements. Overall, Stewart needs to mature his rush efficiency and finishing skills, but he has a rare combination of talent and motor to be a game-wrecker against both the pass and the run. His best football is ahead of him. 

3 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

None of us on this site got Miles Murphy right.

I was referring to some of the talking heads locally. I think Rapien and LIscow and maybe a few others did. 

5 hours ago, I_C_Deadpeople said:

I watched Draft Day last night, annual tradition for me. Good old Bo Callahan

 

Jihaad Campbell calling Duke Tobin this morning ...

 

Shemar Stewart is not just a poor sacker, he's also a poor run defender. Now that's versatility!

 

Here are his scores for pass rushing for edges:

 

 

And some tackling data for the safeties:

 

 

4 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

None of us on this site got Miles Murphy right.

…and that says a lot about the intelligence of “us on this site” vs. the Bengals’ brain trust.  
 

 

Just now, Cricket said:

…and that says a lot about the intelligence of “us on this site” vs. the Bengals’ brain trust.  
 

 

 

Yeah, if they'd taken the tradedown offer from the Titans, they'd have had 2nd and 3rd round picks in 2023 and the 2nd rounder last year. I'd have taken Dawand Jones, Darnell Washington, and Jackson Powers-Johnson with those picks. Jones and Washington are pretty mid but JPJ had a good rookie year and would have beaten out Volson last year and would be the successor to Karras at center. 

4 minutes ago, Cricket said:

…and that says a lot about the intelligence of “us on this site” vs. the Bengals’ brain trust.  

 

Most teams would probably hit on more drafts picks if they just selected based on fan voting.

 

Teams already strike out on more than half of their choices based on "their research". I trust the general public consensus would do slightly better. 

The "wisdom of crowds" is why the average of guesses will usually be close to how many jelly beans are in the big jar.