Florio's latest ...

Players from the past used to get rid of their worthless Agent and get another. Like GO has shown, this guy is worthless in a sense of representing good players, he is in It for the money and has ripped off how many teams who were suckers with the worthless players he has represented. How has nobody shown him this type of information on his agent? Does he work on the so called cheap so the player keeps more money? Florio talking about a Boss in power and in charge like it is a bad thing, like no other team does this is a joke in itself coming from him. No Owner is going to let an unknown Rookie take charge or power of anything. That is just ludicrous talk. I cannot believe I keep sticking up for the Brown family. I guess I am just sick of players who have not played a single down demand things. It used to be that way before as we know when the rookie guaranteed signing bonuses were getting too wild and way out of control so the CBA had to change. Now these Rookie Agents have found their next loophole to take advantage of or try to use against owners to get their way. I am like gupps, I as a fan for a very long time is just plain tired and frustrated with this BS. All I want is for this team to be ready for game one with their best players on the field. It gets to the point of when do I just finally walk away from caring anymore. I keep telling myself, this is the year to do it and then here I am again like the sucker I have been for Decades putting up with this BS. We have talked about this many times before and it really needs to be labeled a disease.

12 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Yet Mims had no problem signing the very same participation agreement last year. And Knight also signed it this year. So I call BS on Florio who undoubtedly was fed that “information” by Stewart’s camp. It was a spite move, plain and simple. They talk about precedent as being important, but only when it suits THEM.

Florio no doubt got the language in various player contracts from agents, not the Bengals. But not necessarily from Stewart's agents. Other agents agree that the Bengals participation agreement is less favorable to players than what other teams use.

Also, read this piece: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-breaking-down-exactly-why-bengals-shemar-stewart-remains-only-unsigned-2025-first-round-pick/

"Mims' default language is the same as in Pro Bowl quarterback Joe Burrow's 2023 contract extension that made him the NFL's highest-paid player -- with one minor change. Suspensions for violating the NFL Gambling Policy were added with Mims.

The default language in the contracts wide receivers Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins signed in March doesn't have the change that the Bengals want with Stewart. There were a couple of slight modifications to Chase's and Higgins' language that weren't substantive.

Stewart's camp is right on principle. It's unclear why the Bengals decided to try to institute the language change with Stewart. Compounding matters for the Bengals is the contract stalemate with Pro Bowl edge rusher Trey Hendrickson. Stewart was drafted to replace Sam Hubbard, who retired during the offseason, as a pass rusher."

Sounds like the Bengals are pissed they couldn't their language with Chase and Higgins so they are taking it out on Stewart.

8 hours ago, TigerJ@w said:

Players from the past used to get rid of their worthless Agent and get another. Like GO has shown, this guy is worthless in a sense of representing good players, he is in It for the money and has ripped off how teams who were suckers with the worthless players he has represented. How has nobody shown him this type of information on his agent? Does he work on the so called cheap so the player keeps more money? Florio talking about a Boss in power and in charge like it is a bad thing, like no other team does this is a joke in itself coming from him. No Owner is going to let an unknown Rookie take charge or power of anything. That is just ludicrous talk. I cannot believe I keep sticking up for the Brown family. I guess I am just sick of players who have not played a single down demand things. It used to be that way before as we know when the rookie guaranteed signing bonuses were getting too wild and way out of control so the CBA had to change. Now these Rookie Agents have found their next loophole to take advantage of or try to use against owners to get their way. I am like gupps, I as a fan for a very long time is just plain tired and frustrated with this BS. All I want is for this team to be ready for game one with their best players on the field. It gets to the point of when do I just finally walk away from caring anymore. I keep telling myself, this is the year to do it and then here I am again like the sucker I have been for Decades putting up with this BS. We have talked about this many times before and it really needs to be labeled a disease.

Wait, you think it's the agent's fault? Why? He got deals done for other players. Meanwhile the Bengals are the only team to not have their top pick signed.

1 hour ago, sparky151 said:

Florio no doubt got the language in various player contracts from agents, not the Bengals. But not necessarily from Stewart's agents. Other agents agree that the Bengals participation agreement is less favorable to players than what other teams use.

Also, read this piece: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-breaking-down-exactly-why-bengals-shemar-stewart-remains-only-unsigned-2025-first-round-pick/

"Mims' default language is the same as in Pro Bowl quarterback Joe Burrow's 2023 contract extension that made him the NFL's highest-paid player -- with one minor change. Suspensions for violating the NFL Gambling Policy were added with Mims.

The default language in the contracts wide receivers Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins signed in March doesn't have the change that the Bengals want with Stewart. There were a couple of slight modifications to Chase's and Higgins' language that weren't substantive.

Stewart's camp is right on principle. It's unclear why the Bengals decided to try to institute the language change with Stewart. Compounding matters for the Bengals is the contract stalemate with Pro Bowl edge rusher Trey Hendrickson. Stewart was drafted to replace Sam Hubbard, who retired during the offseason, as a pass rusher."

Sounds like the Bengals are pissed they couldn't their language with Chase and Higgins so they are taking it out on Stewart.

Joel Corry is a former agent so he’s hardly unbiased. The fact remains that Mims and Knight accepted the Bengals language for the participation agreement. I believe Stewart used it as a flimsy excuse not to participate in the offseason program since based on precedent what is good for Mims should be good for him.

I love that his agent is reaching out to a fan to try to get him on the phone....

Edit - You can click on that and read follow-up comments. Email was 'professional'....wants to chat on the phone. BC won't jump on the phone. etc.

4 hours ago, sparky151 said:

"Mims' default language is the same as in Pro Bowl quarterback Joe Burrow's 2023 contract extension that made him the NFL's highest-paid player -- with one minor change. Suspensions for violating the NFL Gambling Policy were added with Mims.

Really?

I posted awhile back that I saw Mims three at Hard Rock.

Cody Ford was with him once.

Twice at the craps table and once in the high stakes cards room

where I'm sure heavy population of Asians in there took him to

the cleaners.

I guess the gambling policy is only on betting football.

3 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Joel Corry is a former agent so he’s hardly unbiased. The fact remains that Mims and Knight accepted the Bengals language for the participation agreement. I believe Stewart used it as a flimsy excuse not to participate in the offseason program since based on precedent what is good for Mims should be good for him.

Yes, Corry is an agent. But not Stewart's agent so what is his bias?

So you think Stewart didn't want to practice and would have faked an injury or something if the Bengals had given him more protection in the participation agreement? My view is the Bengals got rolled by Tee and are determined to regain their reputation as hardasses by squeezing Moss, Stone, and Volson into paycuts and not paying Hendrickson fair market value after saying last year they'd do it.

1 hour ago, High School Harry said:

Really?

I posted awhile back that I saw Mims three at Hard Rock.

Cody Ford was with him once.

Twice at the craps table and once in the high stakes cards room

where I'm sure heavy population of Asians in there took him to

the cleaners.

I guess the gambling policy is only on betting football.

Were you under the impression that players weren’t allowed to gamble at all? That would be weird.

1 hour ago, sparky151 said:

Yes, Corry is an agent. But not Stewart's agent so what is his bias?

So you think Stewart didn't want to practice and would have faked an injury or something if the Bengals had given him more protection in the participation agreement? My view is the Bengals got rolled by Tee and are determined to regain their reputation as hardasses by squeezing Moss, Stone, and Volson into paycuts and not paying Hendrickson fair market value after saying last year they'd do it.

Eh, they're fully out in conspiracy left field. Stewart's contract is sitting on Pam Bondi's desk right now!

Start with "The Family can do no wrong" and work backwards until you find an explanation. Ignore the fact that it contradicts everything these people have said publicly, because they're obviously lying and fake news, and then "do your own research" into the agent. Remember that the entire NFL hates us for no reason and does everything to make us fail. And remember that first round picks who have excelled at playing football for free for a decade are suddenly willing to cash out for rookie wages because they don't like playing the sport. Trey Hendrickson WANTS to hold out!

3 hours ago, sparky151 said:

Yes, Corry is an agent. But not Stewart's agent so what is his bias?

So you think Stewart didn't want to practice and would have faked an injury or something if the Bengals had given him more protection in the participation agreement? My view is the Bengals got rolled by Tee and are determined to regain their reputation as hardasses by squeezing Moss, Stone, and Volson into paycuts and not paying Hendrickson fair market value after saying last year they'd do it.

The world of sports agents is small and I believe they are biased against teams in general. Corry even says towards the end of the article that “the agent wouldn’t want to be responsible for a new team contract precedent “ which I believe is true. It still doesn’t explain why precedent is ignored in terms of the participation agreement, since Mims and Knight both accepted it. Precedent only matters when it suits their side.

$41M a year for Watt... The price keeps going up.

1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said:

The world of sports agents is small and I believe they are biased against teams in general. Corry even says towards the end of the article that “the agent wouldn’t want to be responsible for a new team contract precedent “ which I believe is true. It still doesn’t explain why precedent is ignored in terms of the participation agreement, since Mims and Knight both accepted it. Precedent only matters when it suits their side.

The point is that precedent doesn't matter very much since the terms aren't standard league wide. One might think the NFLPA and Management Council would come up with model language for participation agreements but they haven't. So it's all negotiable, ie both side have to be satisfied with the language. Stewart is under no obligation to accept the team's proposal. This isn't a plantation, much as Katie might wish it was. The whole concept of default language is suspect, given the CBA guarantees first round contracts. That's what players are supposed to get as a balance to the team's right to a 5th season option.

All NFL contracts have prohibited activities listed in them such as skydiving, drag racing etc. If a player is unavailable because he's in jail or injured from a prohibited activity, he doesn't get paid while unavailable. That should be sufficient for teams. But the Bengals want a unilateral right to punish players for criticism of the team. Why would that be important to them? Hmm.

1 minute ago, sparky151 said:

The point is that precedent doesn't matter very much since the terms aren't standard league wide. One might think the NFLPA and Management Council would come up with model language for participation agreements but they haven't. So it's all negotiable, ie both side have to be satisfied with the language. Stewart is under no obligation to accept the team's proposal. This isn't a plantation, much as Katie might wish it was. The whole concept of default language is suspect, given the CBA guarantees first round contracts. That's what players are supposed to get as a balance to the team's right to a 5th season option.

All NFL contracts have prohibited activities listed in them such as skydiving, drag racing etc. If a player is unavailable because he's in jail or injured from a prohibited activity, he doesn't get paid while unavailable. That should be sufficient for teams. But the Bengals want a unilateral right to punish players for criticism of the team. Why would that be important to them? Hmm.

I agree that precedent shouldn’t matter but Stewart’s camp apparently believes it does. Nearly every team in the league has some kind of default language and while it does vary it’s not a radical concept by any stretch. Stewart’s agent has even admitted as much in his interview with Solomon Wilcots. It’s fair to ask why the policy is changing now with this contract but it’s also a dumb hill to die on when most of the league is already doing this.

1 minute ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I agree that precedent shouldn’t matter but Stewart’s camp apparently believes it does. Nearly every team in the league has some kind of default language and while it does vary it’s not a radical concept by any stretch. Stewart’s agent has even admitted as much in his interview with Solomon Wilcots. It’s fair to ask why the policy is changing now with this contract but it’s also a dumb hill to die on when most of the league is already doing this.

And the Bengals aren't the team you really want to do this with considering how 'stubborn' they have been in the past.

On 7/15/2025 at 3:48 PM, dex said:

Did Stewart change agents only after the Bengals decided to draft him with the 17th overall pick?

I think the answer is a big fat NO.

i cannot dig into what the purpose of this question is.

whats the point youre digging at?

are you saying i think they should have avoided this agent? this is an agent with no experience and only clients with entry level deals, there IS NO history so there was no reason to know theyd take their first 1st round pick client to make up shit for attention and dig in...

this is the most confusing comment in this thread for me..

On 7/15/2025 at 4:18 PM, T-Dub said:

This is the natural outcome of a Texas Aggie and a bridge-&-tunnel NYC club promoter putting their heads together.

Half the NFL passed on this guy for a reason & it clearly was not anything to do with athleticism.

half the nfl passed on the 17th pick who was projected to go 17th?

so like.. thats not passing on a player...

thats NOT passing on players ranked above him... he was drafted where he was slotted to go.... he wasnt a top 5 pick that teams passed on.

On 7/15/2025 at 4:45 PM, High School Harry said:

Amazing research, Go.

This guy is a douch bag and Shemar is an asshole.

Getting some piss poor advice somewhere.

yeah the whole thing was so confusing i had to go see what was behind the curtain... and it wasnt much...

On 7/15/2025 at 5:41 PM, sparky151 said:

Would you prefer it if his agent was Mulugheta? Are the Poston brothers still around?

yes. if his agent was any other single agent on EARTH he would have signed a while ago. no other agent is this naive, inexrlpeinced and desperate to make a headline for themselves to gain clients.

100% Mulugheta would be waay way way better. so much better..

On 7/15/2025 at 7:54 PM, Inigo Montoya said:

Yeah the agent is a turd, allegedly. I keep coming back to the logic being used by Stewart’s camp. Had he been drafted by a team who already used this sort of default language (supposedly a majority of them), he would have gladly accepted it and signed. But if the team didn’t already use that language, then he wouldn’t accept it. That seems a pretty weak argument to me. There was also no real reason outside of spite to refuse to sign the injury waiver to participate in practices. Mims signed it last year if Stewart is so worried about precedent.

well his dad seems like a dumbass, especially if he and his son were duped by a guy whose only acolade is a forbes 30 under 30 article and NIL players..

On 7/15/2025 at 9:28 PM, BlackJesus said:

It was reported pre draft that his agent was a dick and had an aggressive style with teams for workouts.

So I would guess he's trying to make a name for himself as the next Jerry McGuire / Mulugheta.

But even with all that said and even if his Jersey Shore sleeze ball agents suck ass, why the fuck are the Bengals giving them ammunition by changing the language? Just delay this precedent until next year at this point. It's not a hill worth dying on.

language changes every offseason in every contract, dont be ridiculous, i guess they should be using the 2004 contract template? gambling changes, workouts change NFLPA court cases change are won and lost, id imagine nfl contract language changes monthly. silliness

On 7/16/2025 at 5:07 AM, gupps said:

I'm beginning to think the NFL should slot all drafted players contracts and cut out the negotiating. Get drafted #1? You get X for salary and X for a signing bonus. Rounds 1-3 get 4 year contracts , 4-7 get 3 years and teams can start on extensions in the last year. You can sign immediately after you're drafted or a week before training camp, makes no difference. Same amount of money either way.

Eh, maybe I'm frustrated.

i assume you arent joking... the deals are 100% slotted, there is absolutely ZERO MONEY in dispute here, he cCANNOT get a single cent more, the funds are 100% slotted. not a penny is in dispute.

this dispute is: The bengals added lanugage (that most other teams already had) that allows loss of money if he violates policy. the Agents response "well they need to give something in return if he signs that"

the kicker? WHAT THE FUCK CAN THEY GIVE IN RETURN?!?!??! no one has an answer to that. it cant be money. they aren't in dispute when guarantees get paid.. nothing.. he is just sitting and posturing trying to make headlines.

On 7/16/2025 at 7:22 AM, dex said:

Stewart is the only unsigned 2025 1st round pick left now.

Who was the las 1st round pick to sign lest year? Yeah, you got it...Amarius Mims.

you mean he signed the day after the bracket pick in front of him signed? yeah.. and 7 players signed that SAME EXACT WEEK? yeah thats what happened.

and was in camp just fine.

the pining here is getting silly.

On 7/16/2025 at 7:52 AM, LostInDaJungle said:

If you think they're bad, you should see the morons negotiating for the other side.

Man... You guys are going all in on the cope this year.

what is it you think the bengals are doing wrong in this situation exactly.

they added language that protects against poor behavior. you think they should allow poor behavior with fewer consequences?

you think they should just cave this time so he signs? then no one will ever sign that language.... ever... and its language other teams are already using...

what the fuck angle could you possibly be taking here?

On 7/16/2025 at 11:22 AM, MichaelWeston said:

How do we do zero vetting on the character of these guys?

naive isnt a character flaw.

On 7/16/2025 at 12:37 PM, T-Dub said:

Couldn't be the lack of a standard NFL scouting department. Something-something luck, something-something Walmart.

My guess is the coaches get excited about some off-the-chart measurables and convince themselves they can fix him.

just still ignoring the reality of nfl scouting data business and a staff here i see.

must be nice.

On 7/16/2025 at 3:01 PM, dex said:

I crack on the front office as much as anyone here, but Shemar Stewart came out of college with absolutely no character concerns. He was known at Texas A&M as a guy who loved to practice, lived in the gym lifting weights (body is like solid granite). In the lead up to the draft he impressed in interviews with his football knowledge, seemed fully engaged all of the time. Pretty much the anti-Shedeur Sanders.

So has something changed since he got drafted? Maybe he should have chosen his representation a little better, maybe he has gotten bad advice since being drafted, etc. But there is zero reason to think Stewart is a character concern.

yea he got duped by a clown agent with no experience looking for cash grabs. thts his only flaw so far..

On 7/16/2025 at 4:08 PM, T-Dub said:

Well, he is an Aggie... But appreciate the info. All I heard was lack of technique, one move, overruns plays etc etc. Coachable stuff, but likely to need to work his way into a starting rotation. That aside I didn't hate the draft pick, but once again there's contract drama. Bad luck?

once again? when was the first time?

i like how everyone sits here and acts like 31 nfl teams just have smooth flawless contract deals and the bengals are sticks in the mud... yall dont have TV's and internet or what?

On 7/16/2025 at 5:15 PM, sparky151 said:

Florio compared the Bengals participation agreement to several other teams and the Bengals version had more loopholes the team could take advantage of. Bengals are saying they want Stewart to accept contract language on defaults that other teams have but the team won't use similar language to other teams when it comes to practicing while still unsigned.

Remember, the Bengals tried getting Mims to agree to the contract default language last year and dropped it when training camp started. Maybe they'll do the same this year with Stewart.

Mims signed the day after the player in front of him signed and the details were bracketed in place... had nothing to do with anything else.

On 7/16/2025 at 5:19 PM, I_C_Deadpeople said:

I don’t think our team has earned the right to make extra demands for contracts. To me we should do what we did in the past and if we ever had any frigging sustained success then move to more contract demands.

there are no extra demands

this is just foolish logic. "we haven't won a bunch of superbowl so we should get taken advantage of from agents and players making success with roster even more difficult." - this is what you said.

and thats nonsensical bafoonery.

23 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Yet Mims had no problem signing the very same participation agreement last year. And Knight also signed it this year. So I call BS on Florio who undoubtedly was fed that “information” by Stewart’s camp. It was a spite move, plain and simple. They talk about precedent as being important, but only when it suits THEM.

ding ding ding

the media doesnt get leaked info from the bengals, they get it from agents, theyll die on the sword of the bengals being wrong, even if they dont make sense doing so.. because of bunch of people like in this thread will just believe it.

how many time is "the bengals are cheap" come up in this as the reason..

the money is set in stone period.. its was never negotiated..

22 hours ago, High School Harry said:

Stewart's agents look like they would be stealing hubcaps off

cars if cars still had hubcaps.

How could Stewart get involved with nickel and dime 50's juvenile delinquent

throw backs like those?

man who in his camp got bamboozled by these losers.... its pathetic... how does every first round pick not choose one of the 50 entrenched experienced nfl agents that have worked for decades...

you picked Opie from the NYC club scene? jesus christ. he had to have paid off his dad or something... no one makes this choice...

10 hours ago, sparky151 said:

Sounds like the Bengals are pissed they couldn't their language with Chase and Higgins so they are taking it out on Stewart.

can you grab some crayons and paper and draw a map of how this even makes sense as a sentence?

teams have adopted this protective language across the majority of the league.. the bengal follow suit.

and the bengls are "pissed" and "taking it out on" someone..

dude what the FUCK are you even talking about.

the bengls have a completed contract with no issues that would trigger such language from Chase and Tee, which would give you some solace in allowing it to not be in there.

get real.

10 hours ago, sparky151 said:

Wait, you think it's the agent's fault? Why? He got deals done for other players. Meanwhile the Bengals are the only team to not have their top pick signed.

the agent is the one halting the deal.

explain what the bengals are in the wrong for here.

literally just one single they they are doing wrong.

just 1... 1 REAL thing they are doing wrong..

not a made up one, not some trigger language. a real actually issue they are presenting.

installing language most teams use in deals? yikes.. how dare they..

9 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Joel Corry is a former agent so he’s hardly unbiased. The fact remains that Mims and Knight accepted the Bengals language for the participation agreement. I believe Stewart used it as a flimsy excuse not to participate in the offseason program since based on precedent what is good for Mims should be good for him.

I think Mims got the Gambling language i think on top of that there is other new language other teams put in for this year, that other teams ahve done for previous years... but first year for bengals. Stewerts agent is saying mims didnt sign the same language, which is true... but language changes...

the agents are trying to plant their flag on their only ever first round client. from my stance they have had one client who isnt a problem and has been successful, and thats a guy one year into his deal in Buffalo as a Guard.

6 hours ago, High School Harry said:

Really?

I posted awhile back that I saw Mims three at Hard Rock.

Cody Ford was with him once.

Twice at the craps table and once in the high stakes cards room

where I'm sure heavy population of Asians in there took him to

the cleaners.

I guess the gambling policy is only on betting football.

you are correct its sports gambling.. it is ALL sports gambling though... so they cant bet on basketball either..

nba employee friend of mine isnt allowed to bet on football or baseball, etc..

1 minute ago, dex said:

no the bengals are cheap. obv.

1 hour ago, GoBengals said:

no the bengals are cheap. obv.

Both things can be true. Perhaps, maybe, after building that reputation over 50 years, and for as often as it gets repeated... there might just be some truth to it?

No, no.. Must be all the agents and players and fans that are wrong the enter time. All of them.

Poor Bengals! They can't catch a break!

1 hour ago, GoBengals said:

i cannot dig into what the purpose of this question is.

whats the point youre digging at?

are you saying i think they should have avoided this agent? this is an agent with no experience and only clients with entry level deals, there IS NO history so there was no reason to know theyd take their first 1st round pick client to make up shit for attention and dig in...

this is the most confusing comment in this thread for me..

half the nfl passed on the 17th pick who was projected to go 17th?

so like.. thats not passing on a player...

thats NOT passing on players ranked above him... he was drafted where he was slotted to go.... he wasnt a top 5 pick that teams passed on.

yeah the whole thing was so confusing i had to go see what was behind the curtain... and it wasnt much...

yes. if his agent was any other single agent on EARTH he would have signed a while ago. no other agent is this naive, inexrlpeinced and desperate to make a headline for themselves to gain clients.

100% Mulugheta would be waay way way better. so much better..

well his dad seems like a dumbass, especially if he and his son were duped by a guy whose only acolade is a forbes 30 under 30 article and NIL players..

language changes every offseason in every contract, dont be ridiculous, i guess they should be using the 2004 contract template? gambling changes, workouts change NFLPA court cases change are won and lost, id imagine nfl contract language changes monthly. silliness

i assume you arent joking... the deals are 100% slotted, there is absolutely ZERO MONEY in dispute here, he cCANNOT get a single cent more, the funds are 100% slotted. not a penny is in dispute.

this dispute is: The bengals added lanugage (that most other teams already had) that allows loss of money if he violates policy. the Agents response "well they need to give something in return if he signs that"

the kicker? WHAT THE FUCK CAN THEY GIVE IN RETURN?!?!??! no one has an answer to that. it cant be money. they aren't in dispute when guarantees get paid.. nothing.. he is just sitting and posturing trying to make headlines.

you mean he signed the day after the bracket pick in front of him signed? yeah.. and 7 players signed that SAME EXACT WEEK? yeah thats what happened.

and was in camp just fine.

the pining here is getting silly.

what is it you think the bengals are doing wrong in this situation exactly.

they added language that protects against poor behavior. you think they should allow poor behavior with fewer consequences?

you think they should just cave this time so he signs? then no one will ever sign that language.... ever... and its language other teams are already using...

what the fuck angle could you possibly be taking here?

naive isnt a character flaw.

just still ignoring the reality of nfl scouting data business and a staff here i see.

must be nice.

yea he got duped by a clown agent with no experience looking for cash grabs. thts his only flaw so far..

once again? when was the first time?

i like how everyone sits here and acts like 31 nfl teams just have smooth flawless contract deals and the bengals are sticks in the mud... yall dont have TV's and internet or what?

Mims signed the day after the player in front of him signed and the details were bracketed in place... had nothing to do with anything else.

there are no extra demands

this is just foolish logic. "we haven't won a bunch of superbowl so we should get taken advantage of from agents and players making success with roster even more difficult." - this is what you said.

and thats nonsensical bafoonery.

ding ding ding

the media doesnt get leaked info from the bengals, they get it from agents, theyll die on the sword of the bengals being wrong, even if they dont make sense doing so.. because of bunch of people like in this thread will just believe it.

how many time is "the bengals are cheap" come up in this as the reason..

the money is set in stone period.. its was never negotiated..

man who in his camp got bamboozled by these losers.... its pathetic... how does every first round pick not choose one of the 50 entrenched experienced nfl agents that have worked for decades...

you picked Opie from the NYC club scene? jesus christ. he had to have paid off his dad or something... no one makes this choice...

can you grab some crayons and paper and draw a map of how this even makes sense as a sentence?

teams have adopted this protective language across the majority of the league.. the bengal follow suit.

and the bengls are "pissed" and "taking it out on" someone..

dude what the FUCK are you even talking about.

the bengls have a completed contract with no issues that would trigger such language from Chase and Tee, which would give you some solace in allowing it to not be in there.

get real.

the agent is the one halting the deal.

explain what the bengals are in the wrong for here.

literally just one single they they are doing wrong.

just 1... 1 REAL thing they are doing wrong..

not a made up one, not some trigger language. a real actually issue they are presenting.

installing language most teams use in deals? yikes.. how dare they..

I think Mims got the Gambling language i think on top of that there is other new language other teams put in for this year, that other teams ahve done for previous years... but first year for bengals. Stewerts agent is saying mims didnt sign the same language, which is true... but language changes...

the agents are trying to plant their flag on their only ever first round client. from my stance they have had one client who isnt a problem and has been successful, and thats a guy one year into his deal in Buffalo as a Guard.

you are correct its sports gambling.. it is ALL sports gambling though... so they cant bet on basketball either..

nba employee friend of mine isnt allowed to bet on football or baseball, etc..

The payout schedules on guarantees are negotiable. Sometimes signing bonuses are paid in whole, other times they are paid in installments, etc. There are still various things to negotiate. Bengals should give something if they are asking for something. Or not be surprised if the player doesn't accept their offer until just before the season starts.

Mims signed last year when the Bengals dropped their demand for the language they are trying to get from Stewart. Everyone knew what his draft slot was worth, before the players around him signed their deals. It's why you are suddenly seeing a lot of 2nd rounders this year signing as camp is about to open.

The Bengals were clearly surprised and upset when Higgins changed agents and Chase said he wouldn't sign until Tee got his deal. The team seems to operate on an internal budget that is less than the cap so they reversed course from what Tobin had said at the combine about not wanting to pay last year's team more money, he wanted to pay the money to better players.

Yet, here we go again with more contract issues for the team while having lots of cap space. If the team had been more proactive, they could have signed Hendrickson at the end of last season for a lot less than he'll cost now. Likewise with Chase and Higgins last year. I'll guess the order of signings is Knight, Stewart, then Hendrickson.

5 hours ago, GoBengals said:

what is it you think the bengals are doing wrong in this situation exactly.

they added language that protects against poor behavior. you think they should allow poor behavior with fewer consequences?

you think they should just cave this time so he signs? then no one will ever sign that language.... ever... and its language other teams are already using...

what the fuck angle could you possibly be taking here?

They're adding language that protects against their own poor judgement. They want a warranty, and warranties come with money up front. This isn't a "Code of Conduct", this is a multi-million dollar contract.

And absolutely no one knows what the actual language is, and if other NFL teams use it. Period. If you say you do, you're delusional. All we have is conflicting media reports.

And exactly what has Stewart done to warrant this new language? You expect him to accept these new terms when he has been a model citizen all his life? Why do you suddenly need to protect yourself from bad behavior with this kid? What are you accusing him of? What the fuck angle could you possibly be taking here? Because they didn't have this language in Burton's contract? So... A guy with no concerns should accept a potential multi-million dollar loss that a third round pick wasn't subject to last year. Nice.

All Stewart has to do is accept it... And all Katie, or whatever inbred cousin is negotiating this particular deal, has to do is drop it. And it's a lose lose for both sides. And I don't want the Bengals to lose. So, it seems that losing out on valuable camp time with a 1st round pick so you might be able to claw back the money from an insignificant rookie deal... What... Maybe $4M per year in a league with a $300M cap?

What are you more upset about... Jermaine Burton being a waste of a 3rd round pick, or him being a waste of a $1.3m cap hit?

If Shemar Stewart gets caught at a Diddy party, are you going to be fine with it because we have a little more cap space? It'll be slim solace for a team that blew a first round pick during Joe's window.

You showed enough faith in the guy to take him in the first round... Now it's cold feet time? NOW you're not sure and need a little extra insurance? Easier than hiring scouts I guess.

People say Mims didn't sign until July 22nd. And Trent Brown started the early games, played badly, and we lost two in a row to start the season. Like... How do the people on this board not see the glaring A -> B correlation here? This this constant rinse, lather, repeat of contract disputes with team cornerstones and draft picks leads to slow starts and wasted potential? So... YOU'RE cheering for Katie to get a little guarantee against the guy SHE picked being a shit head instead of just signing the guy and getting him ready??

I mean, it seems like there's a good contingent here that is all "old man yells at sky" about what NFL players make now. "Why, back in my day guys played for a sock full of nickels and you could fill up yer tank for $5. Now they are all greedy pigs who actually want a piece of those Billion dollar TV deals that have doubled the value of Mike and Katie's franchise over 20 years. The nerve! Buncha young douchey kids as their agents - they wouldn't last one day down at the mill I tells ya! Heck, if I was Shemar Stewart I would pay them to play just out of gratitude." Get a grip Grandpa. This isn't 1988 and a $37M salary cap anymore. And Amazon doesn't pay a Billion dollars to watch Katie balance her checkbook on Sundays. You keep telling us what guys are worth, and you keep being wrong. No way JJ Watt is worth that much... And the market keeps "overpaying" these guys while you talk about bread being a nickel when you were a kid. But tell me again what you think is "fair". Take them eggs on up to the counter and tell them you're only willing to pay the "fair" price in your head and see how many omlettes you make. Only a damn commie would charge more than $3 a dozen!

At the end of the day, I want the Bengals to succeed. And having a pissing contest with your first round pick - to my mind - is counterproductive to that goal. And again... It's a lose lose. Shemar Stewart being 1% less ready to play football on Week One is bad for both him and the Bengals. He could just accept it, but they could also just drop it. Have the Bengals NEEDED this for past first rounders? No. Why now? Just freaking sign the guy. And if you really CAN'T sign the guy without some guarantees... Do a better job scouting and get your picks in camp on time. Damn.

If Shemar Stewart does have to be cut in year one and his guarantees voided... Getting back $4M in cap space for a team that is constantly at least $10M under the cap... I mean... C'mon. Yay. We aren't paying a first round pick who had a shorter career than Akili Smith. All is well. But every day that passes we increase the chances that he starts slow, doesn't give us the effort... At a position we have a dire need at right now.

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A real example of how default language works is with Jameson Williams in Detroit. His gambling suspension triggered a default of the entire remaining portion of his contract, making it no longer guaranteed. However, the Lions did not cut him and he played out the rest of his deal without any loss of actual money. Sure, he could have been released and the team wouldn’t have owed him anything. But that doesn’t automatically happen when a player defaults.