5 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

Ozzy was a multi-generational legend .

Any co-relation to Stewart’s Jerry McGuire cheap imitation, is non sequitur

Lol I hear you

Shamar should do something awesome and get Trey's agent

Go Bengals, orange font is kinda hard to read

Pat MacAfee has a solid ten minute set making fun of the Bengals.

We're back boys!

1 hour ago, sois said:

Shamar should do something awesome and get Trey's agent

That's what I said! I guess both these agents are trying to take advantage of the poor old Bengals when they're out here peddling seat licenses by the roadside with holes in their socks. What a couple of jerks! It's like they don't care about being Top 5 in cap space at all.

some posts are fun to read , the bullet points are a flying ..
example... , there's a reason half the league passed on him before us..
yes because there was better players

no one here even the player is trying to say he should of been anywhere near top 10 i dont think.
.my oppinion
the bengals like to give generic reasons to short change and put all the risk on the players/fans
the team . nothing but rewards or have their ass covered for their decissions
case in point .
the bengals drafted Shamar , and his agent. he hasnt changed as a player, person or his history from the time you ran up and drafted him
this is all your choice.
dont start now by saying oh what if he gets convicted and goes to jail; we'd still have to pay him millions that isnt right.
simple case do your diligence , and if you suspect that may happen , dont draft the him in the 1st round at 17.
and then dont complain when just like every other year your the last to sign your players.
the common factor in all these last player to sign , is the bengals organization
so i do not blame him for wanting language (or the refusal of language ) in his contract that he dont want
he didnt pick to be here.
and in 2-3 years he'll have to listen to all you "fans" saying if you didnt like it you shouldnt of signed it
just like your doing to Trey.

9 hours ago, sois said:

@GoBengals Go Bengals, orange font is kinda hard to read

Yeah it was hard on my eyes as well, had to switch back to light view

You know what... For all of this hand wringing about finances, what we can pay Trey...

The Bengals "lost" $8M in cap space this year by not folding Chase's $10M roster bonus into his $22M signing bonus. Chase could be carrying a cap hit of $15.5M instead of $22.5M.

But Mike Brown is going to fight a dude to get insurance on a $4M a year rookie deal.

The Bengals could have easily cleared another $11.75M against the cap this year by paying more attention to how they structured the contracts for Chase and Higgins.

Perrotta also added, “Bengals, imo, unnecessarily “ate” $8M in 2025 Cap Space by not folding in Ja’Marr’s $10M 2025 Roster Bonus into the $22M day-of-signing Roster Bonus.” To add more weightage to his claims, Andre also gave a different scenario that could have saved $8M for the Bengals. “If they just did $32M in proratable RB (instead of $22M proratable, and $10M not proratable), Chase’s 2025 Cap Hit = $15,570,000. Instead, it is $23,570,000.” So, there goes Chase’s $8M blunder. What remains is another $3.75M mistake Cincinnati made with Higgins’ $115M extension.

Setting the stage to expose Higgins’ salary cap space blunder. Perrotta first pointed out a positive about Higgins’ 2025 cap hit. “Higgins’ deal results in lowering his 2025 Cap Hit by $2,117,435 compared to the 2nd Franchise Tag,” wrote on X. Then, he went on to add how the Bengals could have saved a further $3.75M if they hadn’t split his Roster Bonuses.

“Bengals could have further reduced Tee’s 2025 Cap Hit (compared to the 2nd Tag amount) by $3.75M if they folded his second 2025 Roster Bonus ($5M) into his first 2025 Roster Bonus ($15M). Since all $20M would have been prorated instead of just the $15M. CIN could have had an additional $3.75M in 2025 Cap Space. If the 2025 Roster Bonuses would not have been split,” Perrotta added on X.

Go-Bengals, good call on his agent. His agent is a rat, as slimy and sleazy as they come. Shemar should be finding new representation here soon.

7 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

Yeah it was hard on my eyes as well, had to switch back to light view

You may be entitled to compensation

🥷

Guess I got used to it but a lighter orange might help

44 minutes ago, LostInDaJungle said:

You know what... For all of this hand wringing about finances, what we can pay Trey...

The Bengals "lost" $8M in cap space this year by not folding Chase's $10M roster bonus into his $22M signing bonus. Chase could be carrying a cap hit of $15.5M instead of $22.5M.

But Mike Brown is going to fight a dude to get insurance on a $4M a year rookie deal.

The Bengals could have easily cleared another $11.75M against the cap this year by paying more attention to how they structured the contracts for Chase and Higgins.

Perrotta also added, “Bengals, imo, unnecessarily “ate” $8M in 2025 Cap Space by not folding in Ja’Marr’s $10M 2025 Roster Bonus into the $22M day-of-signing Roster Bonus.” To add more weightage to his claims, Andre also gave a different scenario that could have saved $8M for the Bengals. “If they just did $32M in proratable RB (instead of $22M proratable, and $10M not proratable), Chase’s 2025 Cap Hit = $15,570,000. Instead, it is $23,570,000.” So, there goes Chase’s $8M blunder. What remains is another $3.75M mistake Cincinnati made with Higgins’ $115M extension.

Setting the stage to expose Higgins’ salary cap space blunder. Perrotta first pointed out a positive about Higgins’ 2025 cap hit. “Higgins’ deal results in lowering his 2025 Cap Hit by $2,117,435 compared to the 2nd Franchise Tag,” wrote on X. Then, he went on to add how the Bengals could have saved a further $3.75M if they hadn’t split his Roster Bonuses.

“Bengals could have further reduced Tee’s 2025 Cap Hit (compared to the 2nd Tag amount) by $3.75M if they folded his second 2025 Roster Bonus ($5M) into his first 2025 Roster Bonus ($15M). Since all $20M would have been prorated instead of just the $15M. CIN could have had an additional $3.75M in 2025 Cap Space. If the 2025 Roster Bonuses would not have been split,” Perrotta added on X.

If they had that much cap space then they'd have to use it. They're sitting right around cap minimum now, probably just over if they get this last draft pick signed. That is how they operate & I don't expect it to change.

9 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

If they had that much cap space then they'd have to use it. They're sitting right around cap minimum now, probably just over if they get this last draft pick signed. That is how they operate & I don't expect it to change.

So.... Your argument is that they did this on purpose to keep their cap space lower and then to claim poverty when resigning Trey? That doesn't strike anyone here as devious?

And isn't that a tacit admission that they don't really care about cap space, just cash out of pocket? This isn't about frugal cap management it's about keeping money in Mike Brown's pocket? Or are some people here dumb enough to think they're worried about the cap when Joe is 33? ARE they dumb enough to be worrying about the cap when Joe is 33??

My point is that Shemar Stewart's contract is a damn rounding error in the modern NFL. That the guy who is bitching about having to pay a guy $4M a year just spent $12M more than he needed to due to incompetence.

And that seems to be our options... Cheap devious owners or broke incompetent owners. Heck, it's kinder to think they aren't doing it on purpose.

I think I might just skip this year. It's not going to be fun watching Joe Burrow have to try and overcome the NFL's worst defense again. We can't expect a top 10 defense when we have the 32nd paid defense in the league. $33M in cap space. Rinse, lather, repeat.

1 minute ago, LostInDaJungle said:

So.... Your argument is that they did this on purpose to keep their cap space lower and then to claim poverty when resigning Trey? That doesn't strike anyone here as devious?

And isn't that a tacit admission that they don't really care about cap space, just cash out of pocket? This isn't about frugal cap management it's about keeping money in Mike Brown's pocket? Or are some people here dumb enough to think they're worried about the cap when Joe is 33? ARE they dumb enough to be worrying about the cap when Joe is 33??

My point is that Shemar Stewart's contract is a damn rounding error in the modern NFL. That the guy who is bitching about having to pay a guy $4M a year just spent $12M more than he needed to due to incompetence.

And that seems to be our options... Cheap devious owners or broke incompetent owners. Heck, it's kinder to think they aren't doing it on purpose.

I think I might just skip this year. It's not going to be fun watching Joe Burrow have to try and overcome the NFL's worst defense again. We can't expect a top 10 defense when we have the 32nd paid defense in the league. $33M in cap space. Rinse, lather, repeat.

Well, it's either by design or they're totally inept at cap management. There are plenty of examples available of how other teams work the system that they choose not to imitate, so I guess that only leaves the one option.

I think I might just skip this year. It's not going to be fun watching Joe Burrow have to try and overcome the NFL's worst defense again. We can't expect a top 10 defense when we have the 32nd paid defense in the league. $33M in cap space. Rinse, lather, repeat.

Meh. We don't have any control over that stuff. He's dragged a marginal team to the Super Bowl before, right? Definitely sucks that the FO seems to have this same philosophy and I'm definitely, definitely tired of watching him get pummeled behind a rotating cast of bums... And I checked out early on quite a few games last year.

That's the only choice we get. We'll see what happens.

1 hour ago, LostInDaJungle said:

You know what... For all of this hand wringing about finances, what we can pay Trey...

The Bengals "lost" $8M in cap space this year by not folding Chase's $10M roster bonus into his $22M signing bonus. Chase could be carrying a cap hit of $15.5M instead of $22.5M.

But Mike Brown is going to fight a dude to get insurance on a $4M a year rookie deal.

The Bengals could have easily cleared another $11.75M against the cap this year by paying more attention to how they structured the contracts for Chase and Higgins.

Perrotta also added, “Bengals, imo, unnecessarily “ate” $8M in 2025 Cap Space by not folding in Ja’Marr’s $10M 2025 Roster Bonus into the $22M day-of-signing Roster Bonus.” To add more weightage to his claims, Andre also gave a different scenario that could have saved $8M for the Bengals. “If they just did $32M in proratable RB (instead of $22M proratable, and $10M not proratable), Chase’s 2025 Cap Hit = $15,570,000. Instead, it is $23,570,000.” So, there goes Chase’s $8M blunder. What remains is another $3.75M mistake Cincinnati made with Higgins’ $115M extension.

Setting the stage to expose Higgins’ salary cap space blunder. Perrotta first pointed out a positive about Higgins’ 2025 cap hit. “Higgins’ deal results in lowering his 2025 Cap Hit by $2,117,435 compared to the 2nd Franchise Tag,” wrote on X. Then, he went on to add how the Bengals could have saved a further $3.75M if they hadn’t split his Roster Bonuses.

“Bengals could have further reduced Tee’s 2025 Cap Hit (compared to the 2nd Tag amount) by $3.75M if they folded his second 2025 Roster Bonus ($5M) into his first 2025 Roster Bonus ($15M). Since all $20M would have been prorated instead of just the $15M. CIN could have had an additional $3.75M in 2025 Cap Space. If the 2025 Roster Bonuses would not have been split,” Perrotta added on X.

The Bengals gained 8 million in cap space in the future by doing it that way

1 minute ago, MichaelWeston said:

The Bengals gained 8 million in cap space in the future by doing it that way

1 minute ago, MichaelWeston said:

The Bengals gained 8 million in cap space in the future by doing it that way

No other GM in the league has the luxury of not putting the best team on the field each year. You're wasting Joe's prime to have $8M in 2030.

Hear them Bengals growling, fiscally responsible

We don't have dead money, it's unconscionable

On contracts we're tough, we don't pay enough

And our practice dome's a High School's

Cincinnati Bengals, give a cheer for their solvency

Frugal Bengals, keep that cap space that you hoard

To pay some guy in 20 33!!!

Yes, the Bengals like to avoid backloading contracts. It's why they are never in cap trouble as they take as much of the cap hit as possible up front.

But it's also self-defeating as they can't spend as much money on their roster as the teams they are competing with. Duke actually bragged this offseason about having the least amount of dead money in the NFL. The way to avoid having much dead money is to let players play out their contracts, whether or not they deserve to be on the roster. It's fundamentally poor resource allocation.

8 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

Yes, the Bengals like to avoid backloading contracts. It's why they are never in cap trouble as they take as much of the cap hit as possible up front.

But it's also self-defeating as they can't spend as much money on their roster as the teams they are competing with. Duke actually bragged this offseason about having the least amount of dead money in the NFL. The way to avoid having much dead money is to let players play out their contracts, whether or not they deserve to be on the roster. It's fundamentally poor resource allocation.

Bad management

25 minutes ago, spicoli said:

Bad management

Indeed. Glad you recognize it.

1 hour ago, spicoli said:

Bad management

Well... Harrumph, that's a lazy take! Historically, we're better than the Buccaneers and have a better playoff record than the Lions now. (Whew) We went to the big game a few years ago... That couldn't just be luck!

You act like 31 out of 32 isn't excellent! Have you considered all of the people who don't own football teams that we're doing much better than? And how many other Owners own ALL of the team? Hunh? If the management is so bad, why are they worth $4 Billion dollars? Are you worth $4B? Then maybe you should shut your "no silver spoon" having mouth and let big Mike tell you how it's done. You'll be pimping out your used Chevy in no time.

I mean sure, a lazy fan would just look at the win/loss record and think that's how you judge success in sports... But me and my boy Derek Carr know it's not about the number of games you win, it's about the Benjies baby! He has just as nice a hot tub as Pat Mahomes and he's home in January to enjoy it. Who's winning? Other teams might have their Lombardi's... I guess that's fine if you like to cheat by manipulating the cap to pay good players, but we're better than that. We still raise our players free range - the way God intended. Letting them play in an open field with fresh air and only pure water... Things we simple hard working Midwesterners hold dear. We come from a place where a man's word is his bond, mostly, and where Mike-Sells potato chips are still $1.99 for the family size.

Trust me... Good management is about more than just winning and losing games. It's about plotting the supply and demand curve for beer pricing, and getting 3.4% more for season tickets next year. Did you know beer sales go up when you can't stop the run? Neat fact. You think Jerry Jones knows that? Bad management... indeed.

This was all sarcasm, just in case people don't get that.

14 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said:

No other GM in the league has the luxury of not putting the best team on the field each year. You're wasting Joe's prime to have $8M in 2030.

Hear them Bengals growling, fiscally responsible

We don't have dead money, it's unconscionable

On contracts we're tough, we don't pay enough

And our practice dome's a High School's

Cincinnati Bengals, give a cheer for their solvency

Frugal Bengals, keep that cap space that you hoard

To pay some guy in 20 33!!!

Could always root for the 'Aints and their cap situation. Would even only have to change your cheer by two letters.

It is "traits" with Stewart in terms of pass rush, which admittedly is the most important task for a player who's primarily a DE. He is already an excellent run defender, which Hendrickson has never been. I don't think there's a chance of Stewart being a complete bust, it's just how much of his upside does he reach. I think Stewart's floor is a Sam Hubbard type, a top run defender with the versatility to slide inside on passing downs to push the pocket some. The Bengals are obviously hoping that Stewart goes well beyond his floor though.

27 minutes ago, Dautcom08 said:

Could always root for the 'Aints and their cap situation. Would even only have to change your cheer by two letters.

It's okay to be middle of the pack in terms of cap management. It doesn't have to be one extreme or the other.

Im over this both sides need to find a middle ground and get this kid into camp.

3 hours ago, dex said:

It is "traits" with Stewart in terms of pass rush, which admittedly is the most important task for a player who's primarily a DE. He is already an excellent run defender, which Hendrickson has never been. I don't think there's a chance of Stewart being a complete bust, it's just how much of his upside does he reach. I think Stewart's floor is a Sam Hubbard type, a top run defender with the versatility to slide inside on passing downs to push the pocket some. The Bengals are obviously hoping that Stewart goes well beyond his floor though.

It's okay to be middle of the pack in terms of cap management. It doesn't have to be one extreme or the other.

Yeah, it's sort of like the defense. If we can avoid being bottom half of the league in a few key categories (big plays allowed, takeaways, missed tackles, pass rush pressure rate), that would add up to a top 10 defense. For cap management, the team doesn't have to operate with lots of void years. They just have to do the routine things routinely, get people signed on time so they can explore their options in free agency.

17 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

Yeah, it's sort of like the defense. If we can avoid being bottom half of the league in a few key categories (big plays allowed, takeaways, missed tackles, pass rush pressure rate), that would add up to a top 10 defense. For cap management, the team doesn't have to operate with lots of void years. They just have to do the routine things routinely, get people signed on time so they can explore their options in free agency.

With Mild Murphy down if even for a little while,

the door opens a bit wider for Shamoo.

Get over it and sign, kid.

All ya' gotta do is stay out of jail and not

be an ass hat.