It's mainly the front office's fault they can't find better interior OL players but Burrow likes playing from shotgun with 5 receivers going out. That will inevitably lead to him taking lots of hits.

Wish this was more about why the OL sucks and less about how good Burrow is despite them sucking. We're all aware of that part, should focus more on who is getting beat & how.

6 hours ago, T-Dub said:

Wish this was more about why the OL sucks and less about how good Burrow is despite them sucking. We're all aware of that part, should focus more on who is getting beat & how.

I think they tried to show with their little montage that it's not just one guy. Mostly the interior, but OBJ hasn't been fantastic. Let's hope the combo of new kids and better coaching tips the scale in our favor this year. If we can pretend to have a run game and protect 5 on 4... How do you stop this offense?

I still though it was a nice "Bengals Offense Primer" before the season.

Noticed last year that a lot of the hits he took were after he threw, and weren't hard so I think Burrow will always be hit after the throw or sacked because he takes too long to throw it. A lot of his sacks were of the "soft" variety where he was just tackled when scrambling (behind the line of scrimmage). He has good awareness and knows when he's going to get hit. Andrew Luck was entirely different as well as David Carr when he was playing for Houston. They would get blasted from blown coverage, and Burrow gets tackled from scrambling when he cannot find an open receiver.

9 minutes ago, Gary said:

Noticed last year that a lot of the hits he took were after he threw, and weren't hard so I think Burrow will always be hit after the throw or sacked because he takes too long to throw it. A lot of his sacks were of the "soft" variety where he was just tackled when scrambling (behind the line of scrimmage). He has good awareness and knows when he's going to get hit. Andrew Luck was entirely different as well as David Carr when he was playing for Houston. They would get blasted from blown coverage, and Burrow gets tackled from scrambling when he cannot find an open receiver.

148 "quick hits" - getting hit under 2 seconds. By far the most in the league over that time span. The video goes into detail about the second type of hit he takes - which is when he has to hold on to the ball.

And I think it's worth noting that with Joe's "injury history" - he is a fearless guy who will stand in there and take some hits. So, when you hear people talk about Trevor Lawrence not missing games as a Burrow comparison, Trevor Lawrence folds like a lawn chair in the face of pressure and dumps the ball off. He won't stand in there and keep his eyes downfield.

Blaming him for holding the ball too long when he's scoring 40 and still losing is something

Yeah, especially when he has one of the quickest release times in the league.

really strange.. he seems to be playing at an MVP level with insane amounts of yards touchdowns completion percentage, and i keep gettting told the defense is all we need to win a superbowl..

i had no idea he was dead...

is browning starting or?

16 hours ago, GoBengals said:

really strange.. he seems to be playing at an MVP level with insane amounts of yards touchdowns completion percentage

So who cares if he's the most-hit QB in the NFL & playing hurt or going to IR every year...

On 8/3/2025 at 12:50 AM, GoBengals said:

really strange.. he seems to be playing at an MVP level with insane amounts of yards touchdowns completion percentage, and i keep gettting told the defense is all we need to win a superbowl..

i had no idea he was dead...

is browning starting or?

Yeah, it's a totally crazy idea to give Burrow more time to pass and have him take fewer hits. Next thing you know, people will want a stronger running game too.

So unrealistic.

On 8/4/2025 at 5:11 PM, sparky151 said:

Yeah, it's a totally crazy idea to give Burrow more time to pass and have him take fewer hits. Next thing you know, people will want a stronger running game too.

So unrealistic.

if anyone in the entire fanbase behaved in context of the real world we wouldn't having these conversations.

there were 14 QB's who started all 17 games last season.

Joe burrow was the 7th most sacked QB last season.

also...

Joe Burrow threw the ball almost 100 more times than the next passer, and 300 more times than a few QB's who started all 17 games.

so if youre going to have this conversation... AT LEAST go pick a data point thats AT ALL relivant to real world situations.

Sacks per start? Sacks per attempt? pick your poison... where does joe rank in said data points?

its just blind pissing in the wind with the laziest stat points you can possibly find.

the media is lazi and fans are stupid AND lazy.

19 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

if anyone in the entire fanbase behaved in context of the real world we wouldn't having these conversations.

there were 14 QB's who started all 17 games last season.

Joe burrow was the 7th most sacked QB last season.

also...

Joe Burrow threw the ball almost 100 more times than the next passer, and 300 more times than a few QB's who started all 17 games.

so if youre going to have this conversation... AT LEAST go pick a data point thats AT ALL relivant to real world situations.

Sacks per start? Sacks per attempt? pick your poison... where does joe rank in said data points?

its just blind pissing in the wind with the laziest stat points you can possibly find.

the media is lazi and fans are stupid AND lazy.

He's one of the most-hit QBs in the NFL over the span of his career so far, and the OL consistently ranked near the bottom. Olympic-level mental gymnastics just to avoid admitting that despite being a great QB a bad OL is holding him back.

17 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

He's one of the most-hit QBs in the NFL over the span of his career so far, and the OL consistently ranked near the bottom. Olympic-level mental gymnastics just to avoid admitting that despite being a great QB a bad OL is holding him back.

no one said they oline didnt suck

no one said he isnt hit the most, im just asking to take the torches and pitchforks down a peg and look at the problem with some logic and reason.

Joe is probably going to stay in the top third of the NFL in sacks and hits, he throws more than anyone else, and self admittidly talks about holding the ball longer than most and trying to get a play vs giving up on plays, so thats GOT to be part of the conversation..

its just more of the "everything sucks unless its top 5" isnt how anything in any sport in any world works.

Lucas patrick was a 60 pass block grade last year (th issue with him is health, missing about 5-7 games a year the last 3)

Cappa and Volson were in the 40-48 pass block grade.

so you replaced one 40 pass block grade with a 60 pass block grade and the other 48 pass block grade with the highest rated pass block grade guard in the draft.

then you moved Ford who was a 50 pass block grade at TACKLE inside as the backup guard for Patrick.

those are reasonable actions to address both spots and ensure you have a viable backup.

sitting around complaining about shit we just addressed is just kind of silly, no?

8 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

and self admittidly talks about holding the ball longer than most and trying to get a play vs giving up on plays, so thats GOT to be part of the conversation..

This came up in the other thread, him saying that is nothing more than being a good teammate and leader, refusing to throw the OL under the bus when he's continually asked about it. That's who he is, thankfully.

The facts show it's simply not true. He's had one of (sometimes THE) lowest time-to-throw in the NFL. Consistently. This notion that he's getting pummeled because he holds onto the ball too long is rubbish. You want to talk about empirical evidence, there you go - there is no basis for this other than him deflecting reporters (who, tbh, you want to blame for everything else, it seems, but suddenly this particular canned response is gospel? Pick a lane.)

The numbers say otherwise. Joe is not holding on to the ball too long. Quite the opposite. Maybe we should credit him for performing at MVP levels despite the shit-tier pass protection instead of trying to find new & creative ways to absolve the people responsible?

1 hour ago, GoBengals said:

if anyone in the entire fanbase behaved in context of the real world we wouldn't having these conversations.

there were 14 QB's who started all 17 games last season.

Joe burrow was the 7th most sacked QB last season.

also...

Joe Burrow threw the ball almost 100 more times than the next passer, and 300 more times than a few QB's who started all 17 games.

so if youre going to have this conversation... AT LEAST go pick a data point thats AT ALL relivant to real world situations.

Sacks per start? Sacks per attempt? pick your poison... where does joe rank in said data points?

its just blind pissing in the wind with the laziest stat points you can possibly find.

the media is lazi and fans are stupid AND lazy.

Burrow takes a huge number of hits. It's not just sacks. If we had a better interior O-line, he'd take fewer hits and our offense would be better. Starting stiffs like Michael Jordan and Quinton Spain has costs us a lot already. Why can't the Bengals have decent, at least average guards instead of stiffs? Teven Jenkins is like JK Dobbins, he gets hurt a lot but is good when he's on the field. So start him with Ford as his backup and we'd be better. Sign Risner with Fairchild as his backup and we'd be better. The net cost for those guys would probably be 5 or 6 mil less in cap space.

There's no reason the team couldn't have done that.

8 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

This came up in the other thread, him saying that is nothing more than being a good teammate and leader, refusing to throw the OL under the bus when he's continually asked about it. That's who he is, thankfully.

The facts show it's simply not true. He's had one of (sometimes THE) lowest time-to-throw in the NFL. Consistently. This notion that he's getting pummeled because he holds onto the ball too long is rubbish. You want to talk about empirical evidence, there you go - there is no basis for this other than him deflecting reporters (who, tbh, you want to blame for everything else, it seems, but suddenly this particular canned response is gospel? Pick a lane.)

The numbers say otherwise. Joe is not holding on to the ball too long. Quite the opposite. Maybe we should credit him for performing at MVP levels despite the shit-tier pass protection instead of trying to find new & creative ways to absolve the people responsible?

no for sure just lip speak, all QB's are trying to espace like him and doing front rolls losing 17 yards instead of throwing the ball away... see it every week.

1 minute ago, sparky151 said:

Burrow takes a huge number of hits. It's not just sacks. If we had a better interior O-line, he'd take fewer hits and our offense would be better. Starting stiffs like Michael Jordan and Quinton Spain has costs us a lot already. Why can't the Bengals have decent, at least average guards instead of stiffs? Teven Jenkins is like JK Dobbins, he gets hurt a lot but is good when he's on the field. So start him with Ford as his backup and we'd be better. Sign Risner with Fairchild as his backup and we'd be better. The net cost for those guys would probably be 5 or 6 mil less in cap space.

There's no reason the team couldn't have done that.

It goes so much deeper than that, too - draft OL in '23 and maybe he doesn't miss half that season with an injury he is still talking about getting to 100% healed. And so on... Bad drafts, bad trades, overhyped free agents that spend more time gassing themselves up in the media than on the field... It's been a tire fire since before Joe got here. Maybe, hopefully, they're getting it turned around now but there's no point in denying it happened.

Just now, GoBengals said:

no for sure just lip speak, all QB's are trying to espace like him and doing front rolls losing 17 yards instead of throwing the ball away... see it every week.

Yeah, he's out there trying to carry 2/3rds of the team on his back. Has been his entire career so far, that's great.

I guess all those analysts watching the games don't know how to work a stopwatch? Reject reality and substitute your narrative. OK then. 🤦‍♂️

Gold medal mental gymnastics, dude. Didn't you just come in this thread complaining about this very thing?

14 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

This came up in the other thread, him saying that is nothing more than being a good teammate and leader, refusing to throw the OL under the bus when he's continually asked about it. That's who he is, thankfully.

The facts show it's simply not true. He's had one of (sometimes THE) lowest time-to-throw in the NFL. Consistently. This notion that he's getting pummeled because he holds onto the ball too long is rubbish. You want to talk about empirical evidence, there you go - there is no basis for this other than him deflecting reporters (who, tbh, you want to blame for everything else, it seems). The numbers say otherwise.

Joe is not holding on to the ball too long. Quite the opposite.

Maybe we should credit him for performing at MVP levels despite the shit-tier pass protection instead of trying to find new & creative ways to absolve the people responsible?

Extra large highlighted font for the win!

15 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

Burrow takes a huge number of hits. It's not just sacks. If we had a better interior O-line, he'd take fewer hits and our offense would be better. Starting stiffs like Michael Jordan and Quinton Spain has costs us a lot already. Why can't the Bengals have decent, at least average guards instead of stiffs? Teven Jenkins is like JK Dobbins, he gets hurt a lot but is good when he's on the field. So start him with Ford as his backup and we'd be better. Sign Risner with Fairchild as his backup and we'd be better. The net cost for those guys would probably be 5 or 6 mil less in cap space.

There's no reason the team couldn't have done that.

Because they're not as smart and they don't have the football experience that you do.

1 hour ago, Hooky said:

Extra large highlighted font for the win!

For the people that seem to have a hard time seeing it 🥷

The 1st step is always admit your problem and finally its out in the open. Our OL is a problem and has been a problem since Munoz left. To put it in perspective, its been a drought since 1987/1988. Just proves that this Bengal's front office has made Oline coaching a non priority since then. We've had a parade of stars that couldn't pull this line from the basement depths with any CONSISTENCY. Hopefully, Peter's knows his a$$ from a hole in the ground with his infinite experience in offensive line greatness... Hopefully, he'll prove me wrong but I'm not holding my breath.

I'm slowly stepping down from the soapbox now.

4 hours ago, Numbers said:

The 1st step is always admit your problem and finally its out in the open. Our OL is a problem and has been a problem since Munoz left. To put it in perspective, its been a drought since 1987/1988. Just proves that this Bengal's front office has made Oline coaching a non priority since then. We've had a parade of stars that couldn't pull this line from the basement depths with any CONSISTENCY. Hopefully, Peter's knows his a$$ from a hole in the ground with his infinite experience in offensive line greatness... Hopefully, he'll prove me wrong but I'm not holding my breath.

I'm slowly stepping down from the soapbox now.

That circa-2005 line of Jones-Steinbach-Braham-Williams-Anderson was pretty damned good. Really good chance those dudes have a ring if Kimo doesn't get the code red order on Palmer. OL has been mostly downhill since then.

Not to frighten anyone but that's been a long ass time ago now.

7 hours ago, Numbers said:

I'm slowly stepping down from the soapbox now.

No…keep writing!

Great to see it—as always—brother.