59 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

I think you can generate pass rush from having a lock down 2ndary, ie: coverage sacks, so I think you can do it, but I have no idea if its harder to do than just getting good pass rush from your dline

Back in the day--when coverage guys could at least "bump" someone into next week while the ball wasn't in the air--it was a lot easier to mask the lack of a pass rush. Now--since they cannot breathe on receivers once they leave the scrimmage line (OK..."within 5 yards" like that matters)--they can only run around with them for so long before someone gets open.

45 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

Back in the day--when coverage guys could at least "bump" someone into next week while the ball wasn't in the air--it was a lot easier to mask the lack of a pass rush. Now--since they cannot breathe on receivers once they leave the scrimmage line (OK..."within 5 yards" like that matters)--they can only run around with them for so long before someone gets open.

It matters for Yoshi, he seems to get rerouted & knocked off timing routes quite a bit. Most WR's know how to beat that coverage & a lot of them will even take advantage of it. Still a few that can be jammed, though.

1 hour ago, T-Dub said:

It matters for Yoshi, he seems to get rerouted & knocked off timing routes quite a bit. Most WR's know how to beat that coverage & a lot of them will even take advantage of it. Still a few that can be jammed, though.

Iosivas can’t catch even when he is open…but I digress.

Watching the modern “bump and run” is rather farcical. Some have, as you said, mastered the grab/pull inside of the 5 yards—but they do so by sorta using their body to mask the grabs from the official. No one actually hits anyone at the line anymore…that would immediately get a flag. And downfield…the best “cover guys” routinely time their grab/pull to when the receiver breaks. The “lesser” ones just keep grabbing…and you-know-what happens

8 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

Iosivas can’t catch even when he is open…but I digress.

Watching the modern “bump and run” is rather farcical. Some have, as you said, mastered the grab/pull inside of the 5 yards—but they do so by sorta using their body to mask the grabs from the official. No one actually hits anyone at the line anymore…that would immediately get a flag. And downfield…the best “cover guys” routinely time their grab/pull to when the receiver breaks. The “lesser” ones just keep grabbing…and you-know-what happens

To be honest these guys are so fast and they start 3 or 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage so it really is difficult to jam than at the line. And if you try and whiff it’s six points if your QB is good. It’s a tough gig and the good ones deserve their pay.

5 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

Iosivas can’t catch even when he is open…but I digress.

Watching the modern “bump and run” is rather farcical. Some have, as you said, mastered the grab/pull inside of the 5 yards—but they do so by sorta using their body to mask the grabs from the official. No one actually hits anyone at the line anymore…that would immediately get a flag. And downfield…the best “cover guys” routinely time their grab/pull to when the receiver breaks. The “lesser” ones just keep grabbing…and you-know-what happens

Hines Ward got 2 rings and almost certainly the HoF behind tangling up DB's & taking them to the ground. He'd drag someone across the goal line by the facemask and still get the flag. There was a span there where any downfield contact had a good chance of drawing the PI back when it was all spot-of, now without a clean pass in the air it's often a holding call..

No one could weaponize the rule book, bait the other team & cry-bully quite like those Stealers teams.

😿 AHHH THE BURFICS!! SAVE US DADDY ROGER!! PAPA GOODELL SAVE US!!1 😿

fts and fuck shazier in particular.. very similar injury to David Pollack - not much sympathy for someone spearing but Pollack didn't make a career out of that shit. Can't play for Pittsburgh if you're not out for blood.

On 2/24/2026 at 6:46 PM, Griever said:

4 Buckeyes in the Top 10 is crazy. 4 Buckeye alumni in my family was expensive.

3 minutes ago, SF2 said:

4 Buckeyes in the Top 10 is crazy.

& I think unlikely but still a lot to be in that mix.

I'd be cool with Bain, his arms being inches "too short" does not concern me, the combine is such a pony show. I'm sure All in The Family loves it, especially meathead. there's always the one guy with an undiagnosed rare cardio thing, I wouldn't trust a first round pick that skipped it, but otherwise it's kind of useless.

This dude can play, he looks like a game-wrecker. He's finding the weak point of however they're trying to block him and, in technical terms, "fucking shit up".. He's got a toolkit of moves and he's sudden with them. Very impressed by the few times he lays off the big hit on the QB or avoids taking him to the ground, that's savvy. Get him into a rotation with a good vet (like the one they're trying to trade) and coaches that will let him hunt..

If they can trade down & get him, even better but talking themselves out of it over his "measurables" would be a mistake. Let's match him up against OBjr's 35" arms and see who wins best out of 10. He's getting into the body of longer OL here & unseating them with leverage, balance, quickness.. 🤷‍♂️ How many MF'ers did Tyson knock out? It doesn't seem to be stopping this kid any but if you see big holes in his game point 'em out:

3 hours ago, T-Dub said:

I think unlikely but still a lot to be in that mix.

Shit they very well might end up with 3 in the top 5 at this point. Tate could easily give them 4 in the top 10.

11 hours ago, SF2 said:

To be honest these guys are so fast and they start 3 or 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage so it really is difficult to jam than at the line. And if you try and whiff it’s six points if your QB is good. It’s a tough gig and the good ones deserve their pay.

Yeah there is that. Different offenses anymore—especially with sets/motions/etc.

I guess I just wax nostalgically for the days when a Mel Blount/Lester Hayes/even Lamar Parrish…would knock a receiver on their backsides before they could get two steps forward. Different time