3 hours ago, GoBengals said:

they do indeed feel Rivers is a long term solution at RG. i hope thats not this season of course, but lots of his film from college and work he put in last year has them expecting him to be the guy eventually. even they dont think its this season i dont think.

seems like a good smart guy who doesnt have a weird ass personality.. so thats something also. work ethic is also there they feel.

My tongue was totally in cheek with that post.

I have no idea what Rivers will or will not do. I was joking about the Bengals answering Risner/fans by taking another 5th Round pick.

34 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

My tongue was totally in cheek with that post.

I have no idea what Rivers will or will not do. I was joking about the Bengals answering Risner/fans by taking another 5th Round pick.

Yet it sounded like it came from the Bengals front office lol

Wait, they think Rivers is a future NFL starter for a team not in extremis? Yowza. Look at how much better Miami's O-line was this year compared to last when Rivers started for them.

the more i ask around. the more people in the know on teams, and more than one, is saying risner stats and ratings are due to teams scheming around his deficiencies, like they know he is a weakness so they gameplan around him being such in giving him help or calling coervages that give him the easiest path for that play..

and its guys he played for and with who said it...

now i wanna go watchfilm

43 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

the more i ask around. the more people in the know on teams, and more than one, is saying risner stats and ratings are due to teams scheming around his deficiencies, like they know he is a weakness so they gameplan around him being such in giving him help or calling coervages that give him the easiest path for that play..

and its guys he played for and with who said it...

now i wanna go watchfilm

Also wondered why no one seems interested in signing him.

Probably due to what you referred to .

So....red flag him??

5 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

Also wondered why no one seems interested in signing him.

Probably due to what you referred to .

So....red flag him??

still obviously able to have success with him on the line palying, so worth having.. just seems he holds out for more money until the last second every offseason thinking he is worth more than he is...

which now i fully expect him to wait long into the offseason possibly trying to gab some extra pennies..

48 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

the more i ask around. the more people in the know on teams, and more than one, is saying risner stats and ratings are due to teams scheming around his deficiencies, like they know he is a weakness so they gameplan around him being such in giving him help or calling coervages that give him the easiest path for that play..

and its guys he played for and with who said it...

now i wanna go watchfilm

That would be a valid reason not to bring him back if they sign someone better. As an excuse to put Rivers out there instead.. Hard to see that as anything but a penny-pinching move by a team with plenty of cap space.

They just managed to get their OL into the average-ish range for pass pro, based on sacks allowed. I guess that's "competitive"?

1 minute ago, GoBengals said:

still obviously able to have success with him on the line palying, so worth having.. just seems he holds out for more money until the last second every offseason thinking he is worth more than he is...

which now i fully expect him to wait long into the offseason possibly trying to gab some extra pennies..

Can't blame his agent for the penny grab at his age.

But yeah bring him back if deemed worth it

2 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

That would be a valid reason not to bring him back if they sign someone better. As an excuse to put Rivers out there instead.. Hard to see that as anything but a penny-pinching move by a team with plenty of cap space.

They just managed to get their OL into the average-ish range for pass pro, based on sacks allowed. I guess that's "competitive"?

Nothing better in the horizon?

Draft a later round rook and start?..no

Acquire a better vet?....and pay top price?..no

What's the answer?

14 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

That would be a valid reason not to bring him back if they sign someone better. As an excuse to put Rivers out there instead.. Hard to see that as anything but a penny-pinching move by a team with plenty of cap space.

They just managed to get their OL into the average-ish range for pass pro, based on sacks allowed. I guess that's "competitive"?

im not een sure how to gauge better with a guy no ones wants everytime he hits the market...id like him back. hell we signed patrick over him... did he have no offers?

13 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

Can't blame his agent for the penny grab at his age.

But yeah bring him back if deemed worth it

not at all, can never knock a player for getting what he can get. id even overpay for him on a 2 year deal... we have the room even if he got benched we can take the hit...

9 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

Nothing better in the horizon?

Draft a later round rook and start?..no

Acquire a better vet?....and pay top price?..no

What's the answer?

everyone like that great o-line play from both teams in the superbowl?

the only time you can pay high prices at several spots on a oline is when you arent paying skill players.. after that the league is on draft and pray method like the bengals are. splicing whatever lower middle pack guys are willing to come to that given city to live.

palmer had a great oline until he and chad and other guys got big checks, then the eric ghuicecs of the world get playing time.

andy had a great oline until aj green, datlon and others got big chunks of the cap, then it went down hill.

and no team in the world is going to pay an oline and not pay the skill players that fill seats and sell jerseys and win games, more clearly to fanbases... so the plop all that on top of the fact that college doesnt prepare olinement for shit in the nfl anymore and here we are...

not enough "above average" rated linemn for each team to even have 3 of them...on average

56 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

im not een sure how to gauge better with a guy no ones wants everytime he hits the market...id like him back. hell we signed patrick over him... did he have no offers?

not at all, can never knock a player for getting what he can get. id even overpay for him on a 2 year deal... we have the room even if he got benched we can take the hit...

everyone like that great o-line play from both teams in the superbowl?

the only time you can pay high prices at several spots on a oline is when you arent paying skill players.. after that the league is on draft and pray method like the bengals are. splicing whatever lower middle pack guys are willing to come to that given city to live.

palmer had a great oline until he and chad and other guys got big checks, then the eric ghuicecs of the world get playing time.

andy had a great oline until aj green, datlon and others got big chunks of the cap, then it went down hill.

and no team in the world is going to pay an oline and not pay the skill players that fill seats and sell jerseys and win games, more clearly to fanbases... so the plop all that on top of the fact that college doesnt prepare olinement for shit in the nfl anymore and here we are...

not enough "above average" rated linemn for each team to even have 3 of them...on average

They can afford to pay the OL. Let's not start with the poor-mouthing again when they're $50M-plus under the cap and could probably double that with contract restructuring.

They're about to pay OBjr north of $20M to be a very average LT, that kinda sucks but it's thr nature of FA. Obviously it'd be ideal to run out 22 Bengals draft picks but that's not how it works for anyone. When a team whiffs on a bunch of picks then FA is what remains.. or making peace with a subpar roster. "Competitive".

Put simply I'll accept this "can't afford xyz player" argument when they get within spitting distance of the salary cap. Right now they can afford Risner and half a defense, which, coincidentally, lucky for them, is exactly what they need. Rolling over the max $ allowed & hanging it all on draft picks is how we end up starting a draft thread in October again.

5 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

They can afford to pay the OL. Let's not start with the poor-mouthing again when they're $50M-plus under the cap and could probably double that with contract restructuring.

They're about to pay OBjr north of $20M to be a very average LT, that kinda sucks but it's thr nature of FA. Obviously it'd be ideal to run out 22 Bengals draft picks but that's not how it works for anyone. When a team whiffs on a bunch of picks then FA is what remains.. or making peace with a subpar roster. "Competitive".

Put simply I'll accept this "can't afford xyz player" argument when they get within spitting distance of the salary cap. Right now they can afford Risner and half a defense, which, coincidentally, lucky for them, is exactly what they need. Rolling over the max $ allowed & hanging it all on draft picks is how we end up starting a draft thread in October again.

On 1/7/2026 at 7:45 AM, Le Tigre said:

This is the forgotten/ignored primary element in the negotiation process. Due one’s own due diligence.

In my line of work…I never make the first offer—it is up to the other side to set their own floor.

Different business..either or with contract negotiations..

7 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

They can afford to pay the OL. Let's not start with the poor-mouthing again when they're $50M-plus under the cap and could probably double that with contract restructuring.

They're about to pay OBjr north of $20M to be a very average LT, that kinda sucks but it's thr nature of FA. Obviously it'd be ideal to run out 22 Bengals draft picks but that's not how it works for anyone. When a team whiffs on a bunch of picks then FA is what remains.. or making peace with a subpar roster. "Competitive".

Put simply I'll accept this "can't afford xyz player" argument when they get within spitting distance of the salary cap. Right now they can afford Risner and half a defense, which, coincidentally, lucky for them, is exactly what they need. Rolling over the max $ allowed & hanging it all on draft picks is how we end up starting a draft thread in October again.

Source on OBJ re-signing or is that speculative?

Raven center FA Linderbaum asking 16-20 per.

Excelled in run game..84 pff

59 pass..

Karras 61 pass grade.

Who's the better value??

15 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

They're about to pay OBjr north of $20M to be a very average LT, that kinda sucks but it's thr nature of FA.

They should work out a way to extend that contract 2 or 3 years and lower the cap hits. I don't think they're going to be able to grab a rookie this year to replace OBjr and the FA group of tackles is probably going to be lower quality than having him stick around.

6 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

Source on OBJ re-signing or is that speculative?

T-Dub was referring to the last year of OBjr's current contract. It's this year's cost for his services...
https://overthecap.com/player/orlando-brown-jr/6968

Just now, BBR said:

They should work out a way to extend that contract 2 or 3 years and lower the cap hits. I don't think they're going to be able to grab a rookie this year to replace OBjr and the FA group of tackles is probably going to be lower quality than having him stick around.

T-Dub was referring to the last year of OBjr's current contract. It's this year's cost for his services...
https://overthecap.com/player/orlando-brown-jr/6968

Tks...

16 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

Different business..either or with contract negotiations..

Source on OBJ re-signing or is that speculative?

Raven center FA Linderbaum asking 16-20 per.

Excelled in run game..84 pff

59 pass..

Karras 61 pass grade.

Who's the better value??

Karras at 6 mil is a better value than Linderbaum. The latter is a better player and has a longer career ahead of him, but the Bengals needs to throw most of their money at the defense after re-signing Risner.

1 minute ago, BBR said:

They should work out a way to extend that contract 2 or 3 years and lower the cap hits. I don't think they're going to be able to grab a rookie this year to replace OBjr and the FA group of tackles is probably going to be lower quality than having him stick around.

T-Dub was referring to the last year of OBjr's current contract. It's this year's cost for his services...
https://overthecap.com/player/orlando-brown-jr/6968

Really depends on how those first 9 picks fall. I could see a scenario where an OT is BPA. Trading down may be the smarter option if that happens but that'd be unusual.

Either way though, a restructure makes sense. I'm sure they'd happily run a rookie LT out there to save a few bucks but they're not going to eat the dead cap hit for OBjr. Thing is, an extension means more real money they'd have to invest in the roster to maintain that cap minimum, with all the extra work involved.

Think we can safely assume they will do the least possible until circumstances force them into action. That'd mean letting his contract expire and signing a Cody Ford-level (or worse) discount player to replace him in the short term, throwing a draft pick or two at the problem and calling it a day.

1 minute ago, sparky151 said:

Karras at 6 mil is a better value than Linderbaum. The latter is a better player and has a longer career ahead of him, but the Bengals needs to throw most of their money at the defense after re-signing Risner.

Man I will believe they're going to "throw most of their money" anywhere but the trunk of Mike's Lumina when it happens.

When we don't spend a lot in FA, I expect the team to say "yeah, but did we tell you we signed our two topw WR's last year?"

9 hours ago, T-Dub said:

They can afford to pay the OL. Let's not start with the poor-mouthing again when they're $50M-plus under the cap and could probably double that with contract restructuring.

They're about to pay OBjr north of $20M to be a very average LT, that kinda sucks but it's thr nature of FA. Obviously it'd be ideal to run out 22 Bengals draft picks but that's not how it works for anyone. When a team whiffs on a bunch of picks then FA is what remains.. or making peace with a subpar roster. "Competitive".

Put simply I'll accept this "can't afford xyz player" argument when they get within spitting distance of the salary cap. Right now they can afford Risner and half a defense, which, coincidentally, lucky for them, is exactly what they need. Rolling over the max $ allowed & hanging it all on draft picks is how we end up starting a draft thread in October again.

you got give or take 80 million, spotrac says 77.

no one is fucking poor mouthing. its about roster balance and a cap. its common sense. its basic math.. oh is the defense great? no need to spend over there in free agency? all set... sure go grab the top linemen on the market..

back in the real world.....

oh is there 3-4 dogshit players who need hug upgrades over there? thats should eat at least half that cap for even average players?

bengals leave 8-10 for injury replacements like most teams to not go over and get penalized (happened to them before)

so just call it 70?

4x 9 mil a year guys is 36 mil

thats 34 left.

picks are 10mil... so 24

you have 15(counting browning) unrestricted free agents spots youll need to fill..... 4 filled with the 36 mil above...

filling 5 from the draft leaves 10 guys...

you got 24 million to sign 10 guys...

but they can go sign the top guy and convince the other 9 to sign for free?

. backup qb worth a damn? looks like the going rate for anyone with a background is about 4-5mil... so 19 mil ish to sign 9 players

Vet minimum is 1 mil... so you have 10 extra mil to throw at a guard i guess... if every single other roster spot is filled with a minimum guy.. thats rotation DE(ossai, sample, trey are gone), rotation Corner(davis, cam and wilson are gone)

but you got this... repalce all those spots with a minimum contract guy.. should be fine right?

you convinced me.. the numbers add up.. go spend $18 mil on a guard. no more poormouthing.... we dont REALLY need 53 guys on the roster, right?

we have almost 80 mil because nearly of a third of the roster are free agents but somehow we can blow a fourth of that money on a guard and not worry about replacing anyone else.. not like davis, ossai, fant, hendrickson, stone, flacco, browning were all guys who played big roles on the team or anything...

jesus christ man... everybody been in here giving this defense the fucking business for 3 years straight and all the sudden 77 million will upgrade every position, backfill depth, sign draft picks, and get a top notch guard...

in what fucking world?

i got you the one with the big numbers...

2 hours ago, GoBengals said:

you got give or take 80 million, spotrac says 77.

no one is fucking poor mouthing. its about roster balance and a cap. its common sense. its basic math.. oh is the defense great? no need to spend over there in free agency? all set... sure go grab the top linemen on the market..

back in the real world.....

oh is there 3-4 dogshit players who need hug upgrades over there? thats should eat at least half that cap for even average players?

bengals leave 8-10 for injury replacements like most teams to not go over and get penalized (happened to them before)

so just call it 70?

4x 9 mil a year guys is 36 mil

thats 34 left.

picks are 10mil... so 24

you have 15(counting browning) unrestricted free agents spots youll need to fill..... 4 filled with the 36 mil above...

filling 5 from the draft leaves 10 guys...

you got 24 million to sign 10 guys...

but they can go sign the top guy and convince the other 9 to sign for free?

. backup qb worth a damn? looks like the going rate for anyone with a background is about 4-5mil... so 19 mil ish to sign 9 players

Vet minimum is 1 mil... so you have 10 extra mil to throw at a guard i guess... if every single other roster spot is filled with a minimum guy.. thats rotation DE(ossai, sample, trey are gone), rotation Corner(davis, cam and wilson are gone)

but you got this... repalce all those spots with a minimum contract guy.. should be fine right?

you convinced me.. the numbers add up.. go spend $18 mil on a guard. no more poormouthing.... we dont REALLY need 53 guys on the roster, right?

we have almost 80 mil because nearly of a third of the roster are free agents but somehow we can blow a fourth of that money on a guard and not worry about replacing anyone else.. not like davis, ossai, fant, hendrickson, stone, flacco, browning were all guys who played big roles on the team or anything...

jesus christ man... everybody been in here giving this defense the fucking business for 3 years straight and all the sudden 77 million will upgrade every position, backfill depth, sign draft picks, and get a top notch guard...

in what fucking world?

i got you the one with the big numbers...

Cool cool, let's revisit this when they sign 4 FA's at 9 per, or IDK.. do any of this shit you're imagining. Like spend $18M on a guard. WTF? Are they signing Risner to a 6 year contract now.. or is that a $15M signing bonus or how does that work exactly... Where are you getting these numbers dude? And did you at least wipe them off first nahmean

Yo has anyone seen Go and Hobson in the same place at the same time. This is far out. What's the max cap they can "roll over" and does anyone think they're going to do less than that? On some "so if they sign a reserve kicker for training camps at 100 bagoozlian dollars" type shit

Nah here ya go, I got you big dog.. Make this make sense. sheeeeee

9 hours ago, GoBengals said:

you got give or take 80 million, spotrac says 77.

no one is fucking poor mouthing. its about roster balance and a cap. its common sense. its basic math.. oh is the defense great? no need to spend over there in free agency? all set... sure go grab the top linemen on the market..

back in the real world.....

oh is there 3-4 dogshit players who need hug upgrades over there? thats should eat at least half that cap for even average players?

bengals leave 8-10 for injury replacements like most teams to not go over and get penalized (happened to them before)

so just call it 70?

4x 9 mil a year guys is 36 mil

thats 34 left.

picks are 10mil... so 24

you have 15(counting browning) unrestricted free agents spots youll need to fill..... 4 filled with the 36 mil above...

filling 5 from the draft leaves 10 guys...

you got 24 million to sign 10 guys...

but they can go sign the top guy and convince the other 9 to sign for free?

. backup qb worth a damn? looks like the going rate for anyone with a background is about 4-5mil... so 19 mil ish to sign 9 players

Vet minimum is 1 mil... so you have 10 extra mil to throw at a guard i guess... if every single other roster spot is filled with a minimum guy.. thats rotation DE(ossai, sample, trey are gone), rotation Corner(davis, cam and wilson are gone)

but you got this... repalce all those spots with a minimum contract guy.. should be fine right?

you convinced me.. the numbers add up.. go spend $18 mil on a guard. no more poormouthing.... we dont REALLY need 53 guys on the roster, right?

we have almost 80 mil because nearly of a third of the roster are free agents but somehow we can blow a fourth of that money on a guard and not worry about replacing anyone else.. not like davis, ossai, fant, hendrickson, stone, flacco, browning were all guys who played big roles on the team or anything...

jesus christ man... everybody been in here giving this defense the fucking business for 3 years straight and all the sudden 77 million will upgrade every position, backfill depth, sign draft picks, and get a top notch guard...

in what fucking world?

i got you the one with the big numbers...

You're not very good at math or the cap. Bengals are about 55 mil under the cap at the moment. They can easily get to 100 mil in cap space if they wish to. Nobody is thinking Risner will cost 20 mil. Spotrac's most expensive free agent guard is Zion Johnson at 11 mil. They project Risner at 2.5. Their top free agent safeties are Bryan Cook and Coby Bryant each around 14. The most expensive pair of LBs we could add would be Devin Lloyd plus DeMario Davis at just under 30 combined. Etc.

Bengals can easily afford to re-sign Risner, tag and either trade or keep Hendrickson, extend Chase Brown, Dax Hill, and DJ Turner, and add good players at each level of the defense. That would let them go in to the draft able to take the best players at each slot and not having to draft for need.

But we all know they won't do that.

29 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

You're not very good at math or the cap. Bengals are about 55 mil under the cap at the moment. They can easily get to 100 mil in cap space if they wish to. Nobody is thinking Risner will cost 20 mil. Spotrac's most expensive free agent guard is Zion Johnson at 11 mil. They project Risner at 2.5. Their top free agent safeties are Bryan Cook and Coby Bryant each around 14. The most expensive pair of LBs we could add would be Devin Lloyd plus DeMario Davis at just under 30 combined. Etc.

Bengals can easily afford to re-sign Risner, tag and either trade or keep Hendrickson, extend Chase Brown, Dax Hill, and DJ Turner, and add good players at each level of the defense. That would let them go in to the draft able to take the best players at each slot and not having to draft for need.

But we all know they won't do that.

Who's a better choice than Risner st this point?

Jalen Rivers still raw and developing at RG.

Risners not breaking the bank at 2.7 mil per.

Lucas Patrick?..no..backup only.

They'll sign Risner .no timetable

They better sign Risner before the tampering period. Otherwise the Chargers or Texans will snap him up.

5 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

They better sign Risner before the tampering period. Otherwise the Chargers or Texans will snap him up.

If the last 3 years worth of history repeats itself with Risner, no one will sign him before the tampering period. Or training camp for that matter.

53 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

You're not very good at math or the cap. Bengals are about 55 mil under the cap at the moment. They can easily get to 100 mil in cap space if they wish to. Nobody is thinking Risner will cost 20 mil. Spotrac's most expensive free agent guard is Zion Johnson at 11 mil. They project Risner at 2.5. Their top free agent safeties are Bryan Cook and Coby Bryant each around 14. The most expensive pair of LBs we could add would be Devin Lloyd plus DeMario Davis at just under 30 combined. Etc.

Bengals can easily afford to re-sign Risner, tag and either trade or keep Hendrickson, extend Chase Brown, Dax Hill, and DJ Turner, and add good players at each level of the defense. That would let them go in to the draft able to take the best players at each slot and not having to draft for need.

But we all know they won't do that.

8 minutes ago, Dautcom08 said:

If the last 3 years worth of history repeats itself with Risner, no one will sign him before the tampering period. Or training camp for that matter.

Why do teams do that with him?