3 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

Right and what I am trying to get at is are most of these missed tackles before or after the bye?

I think by the eye test, they got better after the bye, what I am looking for is the actual data to see this.

I think they did too, & that's worth asking, but better than "worst ever" is.. nowhere near good enough. Calling them a "championship roster" is so deranged they may as well hire some wook from the nearest jam band festival, there's always one claiming to be an IRL wizard or some such, & then call in his draft picks high on shrooms from the Dumbo ride at Disneyland Shanghai. He would still have a firmer grip on reality than the party line being presented by Tobin et. al.

Good "consensus", definitely the "right voices".. just don't dare call him a "scout" because das ist verboten!!

More to the point, there's no way to slice this thing where they don't need immediate FA help. Which seems to be what they're trying to sell us...

But when they are inactive in free agency, it will be the draft that will save us, as our defensive rookies picked the last 4 years have done so well. And they can't spend to the cap in free agency because they have to save money for Turner, Hill, Brown, and Murphy extensions..

3 hours ago, T-Dub said:

I think they did too, & that's worth asking, but better than "worst ever" is.. nowhere near good enough. Calling them a "championship roster" is so deranged they may as well hire some wook from the nearest jam band festival, there's always one claiming to be an IRL wizard or some such, & then call in his draft picks high on shrooms from the Dumbo ride at Disneyland Shanghai. He would still have a firmer grip on reality than the party line being presented by Tobin et. al.

Good "consensus", definitely the "right voices".. just don't dare call him a "scout" because das ist verboten!!

More to the point, there's no way to slice this thing where they don't need immediate FA help. Which seems to be what they're trying to sell us...

You will get no argument from me that they are not good enough or that this is a championship roster. When Duke pointed out the number of 1 score losses, Im like you do realize there were a few games that we got our asses handed to us. That's loser mentality, to hope you can win more of the one score games. Winners want to win every game and not ignore the ass beatings. Duke is a loser. But sadly we're stuck with him.

44 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

You will get no argument from me that they are not good enough or that this is a championship roster. When Duke pointed out the number of 1 score losses, Im like you do realize there were a few games that we got our asses handed to us. That's loser mentality, to hope you can win more of the one score games. Winners want to win every game and not ignore the ass beatings. Duke is a loser. But sadly we're stuck with him.

That mentality is 100% coming from "The Family".

7 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said:

Well, this means they were at 109 after the week 9 game. ~12 missed tackles per game. It went down to 8 after the bye. (62 / 8)

The Commanders missed 7.7 tackles per game. So, after the bye we were equal to the worst tackling team.

thats the math i was looking for.. drastic improvement but still falling short of reasonable... only potential missing data would be number of defensive snaps per team. *** found it they were middle of the pack..

was wondering if that was a compounding problem, like miss a tackle on 3rd down now you got 3 more down, etc etc etc... but nothing wild there stat wise..

4 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/onsi/news/counting-up-bengals-missed-tackles-and-where-they-rank-among-worst-offenders-in-2024-01je40mzdrct

Interesting... Through 9 games in 2024, the Bengals defense gave up... Drum roll..... 109 missed tackles.

the only consistency on defense has been inconsistency in staff, players, health etc. but those things should likely average like 20% drop in focus, efficiency in getting to guys properly to make tackles easier, focus on tackle vs your responsibilities and where others fucked up, etc.. so not a clean excuse, but its without question the "game of inches" is made a bit tougher with endless change in personnel and things of that nature.

2 hours ago, sparky151 said:

But when they are inactive in free agency, it will be the draft that will save us, as our defensive rookies picked the last 4 years have done so well. And they can't spend to the cap in free agency because they have to save money for Turner, Hill, Brown, and Murphy extensions..

when were they inactive in free agency? lmao

last 4 years defensive draft picks:

Stewert - injured, we shall see

Knight - great pick, learned fast, played faster once settled in starting as a rookie around a rookie and a disgruntled vet whose career is over who got traded and benched again.

Carter - good pick, smart kid, moving positions took over headset helmet role, smart player, he needs to be your worst linebacker on a great defense,

Jenkins - good pick, at worst a solid rotation guy, shown some flashes.

Jackson - we shall see not much this year, Al doesnt seem to be a fan, could be a bad pick if that doesnt cahnge.

Murphy - looked good to finish this year, was behind hubbard and trey rookie season, hurt last season, lou fired for not playing such players. looking like a good pick going forward

Turner - phenominal pick

Battle - good pick, got mistakes to clean up but also makes big plays.

Dax - Looking like a great pick, finished the last 8 weeks or so as the 5th best cover corner in the league, found his home healthy and outside again.

CTb - went downhill from average to real bad, bad pick

Carter - non factor, below average or bad pick. also 2nd to last pick in 3rd round so... ya know...thats approaches special teams depth role player take a flyer territory

spent 97% of the cap last year

over 97% of the cap in 2024

95.55 of the cal in 2023

98.5% of the cap in 2022

97% of the cap in 2021..

bengals fan fiction at its finest.

3 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

Well something did change, they changed their defensive scheme. It took half a season before players started to understand it well enough to play fast. Which happened right around the bye week.

What I would be curious about is the rate in missed tackles before and after the bye week.

Rate probably the same Jaime..

They have a ,"hit and punchout" taught tactic.

Wrap and roll seems foreign to them

I still wonder why it is

On 1/13/2026 at 7:07 PM, Shebengal said:

I’m surprised the Browns aren’t in

On 1/13/2026 at 3:07 PM, GoBengals said:

There's our MoneyMac at 8th longest at 63.

Cam Little and Braydon Aubray are

trend setters going on

70 yrds in the future????

1 hour ago, GoBengals said:

Knight - great pick, learned fast, played faster once settled in starting as a rookie around a rookie and a disgruntled vet whose career is over who got traded and benched again.

Carter - good pick, smart kid, moving positions took over headset helmet role, smart player, he needs to be your worst linebacker on a great defense,

Weren't these two rated among the worst starting LB's in the NFL? I think Knight may yet work out but big-time rookie growing pains, at best

1 hour ago, GoBengals said:

needs to be your worst linebacker on a great defense

this is not much of an endorsement.

had no idea they gave him the headset but that sure explains some things.. wtf? of everyone on the defense they hand it to a rookie 4th round pick? That does not say anything good about the vets.. Or about Golden's judgement. Oof.

That mentality is 100% coming from "The Family".

They want to be "competitive" each season. Duke actually said something like the only metric that matters is championships. But nobody thinks he actually believes that nor do the family.

thats the math i was looking for.. drastic improvement but still falling short of reasonable... only potential missing data would be number of defensive snaps per team. *** found it they were middle of the pack..

was wondering if that was a compounding problem, like miss a tackle on 3rd down now you got 3 more down, etc etc etc... but nothing wild there stat wise..

the only consistency on defense has been inconsistency in staff, players, health etc. but those things should likely average like 20% drop in focus, efficiency in getting to guys properly to make tackles easier, focus on tackle vs your responsibilities and where others fucked up, etc.. so not a clean excuse, but its without question the "game of inches" is made a bit tougher with endless change in personnel and things of that nature.

when were they inactive in free agency? lmao

last 4 years defensive draft picks:

Stewert - injured, we shall see

Knight - great pick, learned fast, played faster once settled in starting as a rookie around a rookie and a disgruntled vet whose career is over who got traded and benched again.

Carter - good pick, smart kid, moving positions took over headset helmet role, smart player, he needs to be your worst linebacker on a great defense,

Jenkins - good pick, at worst a solid rotation guy, shown some flashes.

Jackson - we shall see not much this year, Al doesnt seem to be a fan, could be a bad pick if that doesnt cahnge.

Murphy - looked good to finish this year, was behind hubbard and trey rookie season, hurt last season, lou fired for not playing such players. looking like a good pick going forward

Turner - phenominal pick

Battle - good pick, got mistakes to clean up but also makes big plays.

Dax - Looking like a great pick, finished the last 8 weeks or so as the 5th best cover corner in the league, found his home healthy and outside again.

CTb - went downhill from average to real bad, bad pick

Carter - non factor, below average or bad pick. also 2nd to last pick in 3rd round so... ya know...thats approaches special teams depth role player take a flyer territory

spent 97% of the cap last year

over 97% of the cap in 2024

95.55 of the cal in 2023

98.5% of the cap in 2022

97% of the cap in 2021..

bengals fan fiction at its finest.

Don't you mean Bengals team fiction? Have you never read Geoff Hobson's tripe as free agency approaches? Bengals use a very inefficient contract structure that means they get worse but less expensive players per cap dollar than other teams. Then they get worse results and proclaim it "bad luck".

You're also wildly overrating some of those players. The rookie linebackers were really bad last year. Jenkins hasn't shown much and is close to a bust. Battle has been bad, among the league leaders in missed tackles. You emphasize the late season games after the team was eliminated. Those are the least important games of the year.

17 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

They want to be "competitive" each season. Duke actually said something like the only metric that matters is championships. But nobody thinks he actually believes that nor do the family.

Well yeah, 0-1 in twenty-something years would say otherwise. The only metric that matters is how many times you smile at a member of The Family.