Guest bengalrick Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 i can't explain why the fuck the media made NO to look like it was falluja, but they did... we all experienced the shame and embarrassment of the Katrina fiasco... but most of the stories we have heard we're bullshit... the media missed again... [url="http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tporleans/archives/2005_09_26.html#082732"]click here[/url] [b]rumor:[/b] [i]"I've got a report of 200 bodies in the Dome," Beron recalls the doctor saying.[/i] [b]truth:[/b] [i]The real total was six, Beron said. Of those, four died of natural causes, one overdosed and another jumped to his death in an apparent suicide, said Beron, who personally oversaw the turning over of bodies from a Dome freezer, where they lay atop melting bags of ice. State health department officials in charge of body recovery put the official death count at the Dome at 10, but Beron said the other four bodies were found in the street near the Dome, not inside it. Both sources said no one had been killed inside.[/i] [b]rumor:[/b] [i]Soldier Shot[/i] [b]truth:[/b] ... [i]by himself Soldier shot - by himself Inside the Dome, where National Guardsmen performed rigorous security checks before allowing anyone inside, only one shooting has been verified. Even that incident, in which Louisiana Guardsman Chris Watt of the 527th Engineer Battalion was injured, has been widely misreported, said Maj. David Baldwin, who led the team of soldiers who arrested a suspect. Watt was attacked inside one of the Dome's locker rooms, which he entered with another soldier. In the darkness, as he walked through about six inches of water, Watt was attacked with a metal rod, a piece of a cot. But the bullet that penetrated Watt's leg came from his own gun - he accidentally shot himself in the commotion. The attacker never took his gun from him, Baldwin said. New Orleans police investigated the matter fully and sent the suspect to jail in Breaux Bridge, Baldwin said.[/i] [b]rumor:[/b] [i]One widely circulated tale, told to The Times-Picayune by a slew of evacuees and two Arkansas National Guardsmen, held that "30 or 40 bodies" were stored in a Convention Center freezer.[/i] [b]truth:[/b] [i]But a formal Arkansas Guard review of the matter later found that no soldier had actually seen the corpses, and that the information came from rumors in the food line for military, police and rescue workers in front of Harrah's New Orleans Casino, said Edwards, who conducted the review.[/i] [b]rumor:[/b] [i]Reports of dozens of rapes at both facilities - many allegedly involving small children [/i] [b]truth:[/b] [i]may forever remain a question mark. Rape is a notoriously underreported crime under ideal circumstances, and tracking down evidence at this point, with evacuees spread all over the country, would be nearly impossible. The same goes for reports of armed robberies at both sites.[/i] [b]rumor:[/b] [i]Numerous people told The Times-Picayune that they had witnessed rapes, in particular attacks on two young girls in the Superdome ladies room and the killing of one of them[/i] [b]truth:[/b] [i]but police and military officials said they know nothing of such an incident. Soldiers and police did confirm at least one attempted rape of a child. Riley said a man tried to sexually assault a young girl, but was "beaten up" by civilians and apprehended by police. It was unclear if that incident was the one that gained wide currency among evacuees. [/i] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/41.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/41.gif[/img] [b]rumor:[/b] [i]according to multiple reports, a 7 to 13 year old girlwas raped and killed with a knife to the throat at the Convention Center.[/i] [b]truth:[/b] [i]no one found the body of the girl or evidence[/i] the list keeps going on... this is one hell of a long article... and it debunks almost all of these horrible reports coming out of NO during this horrible time.... why the hell did we keep hearing all of these reports, that hurt the situation, and turned out to be largely wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Yeah I heard about this on the Tucker Carlson`s show last night. I can`t believe the media would exaggerate like that....:roll: (sarcasm) Just goes to show you...that you can`t believe everything you hear...or even some stuff you see. There`s probably a good chance we are actually doing good things in Iraq even... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 this story that smoov posted, shortly after the storm, opened up my eyes at the time, and made me wonder if what we were hearing was true... evidently, its not [url="http://forum.go-bengals.com/index.php?showtopic=8840"]smoovs old post[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 you know what really sucks... the whole world (or at least those that don't keep up w/ things like this) think that this is all bush's fault... that is the biggest bullshit i've ever heard... [url="http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/27/D8CSMBN81.html"]click here[/url] is this bush's fault??: [i]Nearly 250 police officers _ roughly 15 percent of the force _ could face a special tribunal because they left their posts without permission during Hurricane Katrina and the storm's chaotic aftermath, the police chief said. [/i] bush called and pleaded to the governor and the mayor to call a mandatory evacuation and state of emergency early, so they could actually evacuate the area... look at texas and see how it was SUPPOSED to work... and for to take control of the area, either the governor needed to give control to him, or he would have had to break the law and do it on his own... then we would be talking about impeaching the president, and you guys would have a real case... and do you guys really want to give the president MORE power to take control and bring the military into the situation so early?? i look at kerry or clinton and say "hell no!!" you guys should look at bush and say "hell no"... but your hatred has blinded you to the future implications of what you want, b/c you haven't even thought it through that much... you say "bush fucked up... how can we use this"... not even thinking how it will effect us later in other disasters... but here is the real problem, Joe Blow down the road will still spew the shit that "its bush's fault" but couldn't tell you why or anything that i have mentioned... they remember what happened in the heat of the moment, which is why i get so pissed at the media... the media fucking sucks!!! fox was just as much of a problem as cnn, msnbc, etc... they all suck!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 holy mother of hell!! [url="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170574,00.html"]foxnews.com[/url] [i]New Orleans' Top Cop Will Retire Tuesday, September 27, 2005 NEW ORLEANS  The superintendent of the New Orleans police department has announced that he's retiring from his post. Eddie Compass (search) didn't give any reason for the decision, announced Tuesday during a news conference. "I served this department for 26 years and have taken it through some of the toughest times of its history. Every man in a leadership position must know when it's time to hand over the reins," Compass said. "I'll be going on in another direction that God has for me." The announcement comes on the same day it was revealed that nearly 250 New Orleans police officers left their posts without permission during Hurricane Katrina (search). Compass said he will retire within 30 days. "He is a man who is loved by many, and we will miss him," said New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin (search). "It's a sad day in the city of New Orleans when a hero makes a decision like this. He leaves the department in pretty good shape and with a significant amount of leadership."[/i] this comes on the cusp of a story broken by Tony Snow today, which is this (stolen from another board, from a person listening to his show): [i]Tony Snow reported on his show that they (I believe the FBI ) is investigating the NOPD members that names are on the books. Of the 500 they have checked, only 80 of them actually exist. Looks like they were padding the books. [/i] supposidly, they were padding the books to get MORE funds for the phantom cops... remember the cops that mysteriously quit at the worst possible time... it didn't sound like the americans i knew... then he wanted to send his guys to las vegas... not sure the significance of that, other than to confuss the matters... when the storm hit, the mayor and others were screaming "its bush's fault!!" and they knew that would draw attention away from them and the possible scandal.. oooppppsss!!!!!!! they're all fucked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kool Keith Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 More examples of the cronisim that has been running rampant in LA for decades. It's a good ol' boy South - and that doesn't have anything to do with race. It has to do with politic-king. So, is it George Bush that doesn't like black people? Or, is it the democratically-elected minority leaders that oversee this activity that don't LIKE black people? Hmmm...this questions BEGS for an indepth, thoughtful, well written, intelligent, and coherent answer. Instead, we'll probably just get a racist picture, quick quip, and a set of quotation marks from BJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 [url="http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2005/tr20050903-3850.html"]DOD transcripts - 9/3/05[/url] [i]GEN. BLUM: ...The real issue, particularly in New Orleans, is that [b]no one anticipated the disintegration or the erosion of the civilian police force in New Orleans.[/b] Once that assessment was made, that the normal 1500 man police force in New Orleans was substantially degraded, which contributed obviously to less police presence and less police capability, then the requirement became obvious and that's when we started flowing military police into the theater. Two days ago we flowed 1400 military policemen in. Yesterday, 1400 more. Today 1400 more. Today there are 7,000 citizen soldiers -- Army National Guard, badge-carrying military policemen and other soldiers trained in support to civil law enforcement -- that are on the streets, available to the mayor, provided by the governor to the mayor to assist the New Orleans police department. I am absolutely confident that the security situation as it has improved in the last 24 hours will improve two-fold in the next 24 hours, and soon it won't be an issue at all. Will something ever go wrong in New Orleans? Sure. Things went wrong in New Orleans and every other populated area around in our country and around the world every day. But I think you'll see a return to normal levels very soon, perhaps in the next 24 hours. Q: [b]General, you mentioned a disintegration of the New Orleans Police Department. Do you know how many officers are still on duty?[/b] GEN. BLUM: [b]I would rather not say. I think you'd be better to refer that question to the mayor of New Orleans. I have my own estimate. I would say they are significantly degraded and they have less than one-third of their original capability.[/b] Q: So is it fair to say it is the National Guard that's keeping law and order in New Orleans? GEN. BLUM: No. As long as there's one uniformed police officer in the city of New Orleans, we will send as many National Guard soldiers to augment, support and work in support of that lone law enforcement officer as necessary. So if hypothetically there's only one left, who's in charge? It's still that lone police officer supported by the National Guard in their role as military support to law enforcement. We are not in the lead. We have no need nor intention of imposing martial law or having the military police the United States of America. Q: [b]What happened to the other police, general?[/b] GEN. BLUM: [b]Again, that can be best addressed, but what was told to me by the Mayor day before yesterday is many of them lost their homes, many of them lost ability to get to the precinct, many of them who did show up found what they were dealing with so overwhelming and dangerous or threatening to them as an individual that they made the personal decision to not risk their life until the situation made more sense to them. That was an individual decision, it was not the police chief's decision or the mayor's decision. I think that the mayor and police chief are working right now to reconstitute the New Orleans Police Department, but that question would much better be addressed to them for detail.[/b] Q: [b]One quick follow-up. Is it fair to say, using the convention center as an example, that one reason it took until Friday to get aid in is the National Guard needed time to build up a response team with military police to ensure law and order because the New Orleans Police Department had degraded so much?[/b] GEN. BLUM: [b]That is not only fair, it is accurate. You've concisely stated exactly what was needed, and I told you why. We took the time to build the right force. The outcome was superb. No lives hurt, nobody injured. It was done almost invisibly.[/b] (who's fault was this disaster again?) Q: And you estimate there's about a third of the New Orleans Police Department left. Do you remember about how many are in the New Orleans Police Department? GEN. BLUM: [b]On a normal day they should have 1,500 paid officers in New Orleans, give or take. Some people have said it's 1,650. It's in the rough order of 1,500-man police force, and I think the mayor told me they're down to less than 500[/b].[/i] ___________________________ the mayor/police chief/alot of muthafucka's are screwed right about now.... this whole disaster makes more and more sense every day.... interesting... in hind sight, there are many hints that the general was throwing out... he kept saying "you'll have to ask the mayor on that one" and then the last comments about the department being cut by 2/3's... you ask yourself "why doesn't this happen around the country"... then you figure this out and you say "oh, i see... the numbers were skewed and alot of officers did quit b/c they were overwhelmed and severely under staffed"... shits gonna hit the fan on this one, if it turns out to be accurate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 heres some information about the LA government also: [url="http://www.americandaily.com/article/9450"]click here[/url] - "Louisiana ranks third in the nation in the number of elected officials per capita convicted of crimes. ‘The governor, an attorney general, three successive insurance commissioners, a congressman, a federal judge, a state Senate president, and a swarm of local officials’" were all convicted. - "Last year, three top officials at Louisiana's Office of Emergency Preparedness were indicted on charges they obstructed a probe into how federal money bought out flood-prone homes. - "Last March the Federal Emergency Management Agency ordered Louisiana to repay $30 million in flood-control grants it had awarded to 23 parishes. Much of the region has long had a relaxed attitude towards corruption." - New Orleans, if true to its past, will clean up the fed handout with glad hands. Former Mayor Marc Morial’s colleagues were legally brought down recently because of alleged kickbacks related to public contracts. Representative William Jefferson's house was raided by the FBI due to suspicions that he had "misused his office." - Often police have been found involved in crime rather than wiping it out. In fact, according to NewsAndOpinion.com "more than 50 officers went to prison in the past dozen years, two of them to death row." A police district was "caught altering its data." - More: Bob Livingston, Republican, pointed out that the Orleans Parish Levee Board took money for levees and built a casino, convention center and Mardi Gras fountain. Could that be one of the reasons the levees were not strong enough to withstand hurricane force? Just could be one of the factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 [quote]More examples of the cronisim that has been running rampant in LA for decades.[/quote] [i][b]Kool Keith I hope you are not implying that the President who placed an Arabian Horse expert in charge of FEMA because he was college roommates with the previous FEMA director, is also not an example of Cronism. Hell As I said in the begining, Fire the mayor, Fire the Governor, and Fire the President. The Mayor and Governor are not mine so it isn't for me to call for their ousting per say, although I wish they would be, but Bush unfortunatley is all of ours president and his ass needs to go to. [/b][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 [color="red"][i][b]Is Louisianna Corrupt = Hell Yes it is Is All of the U.S. Govt corrupt = to a certain extent Yes Is LA more corrupt than others, hard to say, although I don't have much "faith" in a state that is dominated by Catholics so much that they don't even call them counties, but call them Parishes. LA has multiple whammys going against them..... Southern Good ole boy network + Corruption + Catholic dominance + Bad book kepping + Lack of accountability from the voting public + High poverty rates and poor infrastructure and education + Lots of Bars & Drug trafficking = Fucked up Government. This is not to excuse a President however that I am sure knew all of this, and knew that he had an race horse expert running FEMA, who then stayed on Vacation after the Nations worst disaster ever and showed up to work days late after playing Geetar. [/b][/i][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 [quote]"This is not to excuse a President however that I am sure knew all of this, and knew that he had an [color="blue"]race horse expert [/color]running FEMA."[/quote] Boom, boom, boom "the media drum beats on" boom, boom, boom. I watched CSPAN2 last night and the Hearing with Micheal Brown, the former Head of FEMA. Blanco is going down, down, down. Blanco is going down, down, down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 [quote]the President who placed an [color="blue"]Arabian Horse expert [/color]in charge of FEMA because he was college roommates[/quote] Did I mention I watched CSPAN2 last night and the Micheal Brown, former Head of FEMA hearings. Newsweek/Time , No accountability [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//27.gif[/img] Dude, I like the background in your sig, pretty tight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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