Girevik

I agree that the staff is high on Finley and think he has a chance to start, but don't read too much into the trade up. It's not line they gave up a first round pick for him; the Bengals had more 6th round picks that could ever dream of making the roster so they used some of them as capital to get who they had targeted (just add I said I hoped they would before the draft). The trade for Finley was a far cry from trading up in the first for a guy whos sure to be given a lot of leash like a trade for a guy like Rosen......oh, wait.

Yeah, the valuable one I'm referring to is the 2nd this year with all the guys out there. Next year's 3rd remains to be seen.

I think the Bengals got their guy regardless. Pitt gave up a valuable pick to move ahead of the Bengals, and the Bengals got the gut they wanted. Win- win.

I have heard that the sources who gave him info in the past are gone. But I have to think he's still pretty well connected.

I'm not high on Bush, but I hope I'm wrong because I have a gut feel that's it will be if they don't get Haskins.

Off the top of my head, Turbisky only started one season. I was thinking there was someone else more recent but can't think of who. This year there are two of them, and I expect the trend to continue as players see they can get drafted high and strike while the iron is hot.

I don't disagree, but that's the way football is going. The have been several QBs taken very high in the past few years with just one year starting. That doesn't change what I said about the position, just makes it harder to evaluate them. And my comment wasn't about whether I think those QBs exist in this draft (in fact in an earlier post I said I'm not sold on Murray). I'm just saying that if you believe that guy is there, you have to take him regardless of other needs. The poision is just that much more valuable than any other.

A franchise QB is hands down both the rarest and most valuable commodity in the NFL. If you don't already have one, you can't pass on one to fill "other holes". It all comes down to how you rate the guy in question. Especially if the other guys available aren't game changers, and it's looking like those will be gone by 11.

I'm not sold on Murray so I don't think I would, but if I were convicted he was a franchise QB I would. In reality, I think that trade would take next year's first to make happen.

Girevik - Dwayne Haskins - 87

FWIW, reports are Denver is in love with Locke. While I don't put a lot of stock in pre draft chatter, that wouldn't surprise me.

For those of us who haven't participated before, where can we're get the deets?

I'm not disputing that it was Burfict's time to go, or that the Bengals need a LB. White is right near the top of the list of guys I hope are there at 11, but comparing stats between college and NFL players makes about as much sense to me as comparing a college baseball player hitting .450 to Brice Harper's average.

Isn't that kind of apples and oranges since White was tacking college players as opposed to the best in the world?

I'm not sure he's the darling of the draft or anything, just one of the top players that some have projected as being there at 11 and therefore a possible Bengals target. There's a whole slew of other players I'd rather have but have no shot at being on the board for the Bengals' slot.