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This isn't new for the Bengals at all. They do this "cut a veteran early to get him on the market" thing nearly every year.
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Whether you thought he was any good is irrelevant. If the guy sucks, you don't wait until the second preseason game to cut him when you have nothing to spend the savings on. You don't wait until Boxing Day to "save money" so you can get your kids more Christmas presents.
According to the Bengals themselves, this was a money saving move.
- Today
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Whether they save money or not, I don’t really care. I think it was a good move because I don’t think Iloka was ever really good. At this point, I certainly don’t believe he was any better than Fej or Shaw. He was just a guy. Seriously, was there something you saw in Iloka that other people didn’t see? How did he help the middling defense he played on the last few years?
I could see losing your shit over cutting a certifiably good player like Dunlap or Dennard or something, but for a guy who finished as one of the worst safeties in the league last year according to PFF?
He wasn’t traded because no one in the league would want to pay him what he was going to make this year. If that’s the case, why should the Bengals?
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No, I'm hoping and thinking it's about who the best players are. Hoping it's not a money thing.
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I’d like my kickers to be accustomed to as much pressure as they can handle.
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We are running out of time. We need an offensive line and QB FAST!
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Did you ever think that he said that to keep the pressure off Brown? Brown now is also under no pressure, so he can just go kick.
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I would keep an eye on lardarius webb, because he is very close coach Teryl Austin.
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It was 2011 before Marvin was allowed to choose the gameday roster. You honestly think that Mike and Katie are trusting Teryl Austin to make financial decisions right now?
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Then why not cut Johnson? Same salary and a LOT more depth at DE. Why not Ogubuehi?
And what do we use that money for? More extending next year's contracts with this year's money? We have what, $15 Mil under the cap before cutting Illoka? What do we need $20 Million for? Putting 15% of our cap towards next year.... Again? How many freaking years have we either rolled over 15-20 Mil or spent it on extensions "next year". Always take the field at a 10% disadvantage.
If you think this was a good move, you have obviously drunk the "Mike/Katie know what they're doing" line of Kool-Aid. We're an injury away from starting Fuckulum, and if you know who the guy is after that, congrats. Oliver Lipschitz? I have no clue.
Fuck Mike and Katie. This was a dumb ass move. Not as dumb as acting like we have the option to not sign guys who won't stand for the magic flag song because of our long history of success. But slightly dumber than having to beg Marvin Lewis to re-up his contract after 93 years of mediocrity. And nowhere near as dumb as disrespecting your pro-bowl LT because he's over 30. Fuck the Bengals, fuck the Brown family, and just for good measure, Who-Dey can go fuck himself too.
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No idea where you came up with this. Cuttin mj saves about 5 mil too so hes next.
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I get a kick out of the fact that Bullock has a career year when he was forced to compete for his job against a young kicker. So instead of doing the same thing this year, you tell him that no competition is needed any longer. Marvin has been a fuckup when it comes to his specialists for awhile. Keeping Brad St. Louis too long, keeping Graham too long, keeping Nugent too long, drafting Elliot in the 5th, only to cut him, and now declaring no competition between journeyman kicker and relative unknown who has so far risen to the occasion.
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Surprised by the move and now worried about the depth at safety. Money was the main reason behind cutting Iloka and perhaps the savings will go towards an extension for Atkins/Dunlap. I kinda sorta agree that his play had been slipping to some extent, at least last year and last night. He's never been a ball hawk and the new staff has no reason to be loyal to him. I have no doubt he lands on his feet and I won't be surprised if he does well. Bates and Fej are both going to play major snaps unless they make another move and they are not proven players like Iloka. That's a problem that we didn't have yesterday.
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Really my problem with writing him off is just that - why say anything? There are very few guys on this team so awesome as to deserve guaranteed starter spots and those are the type that don't need to be told. They know they're better than the next guy, or at least have the confidence to believe it themselves. I don't see the benefit of telling a very average kicker like Fat Randy that he's safe. If he's so mentally weak that the competition unnerves him that's all the more reason to cut him IMO.
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Is this money for an offensive tackle?
Is there even an offensive tackle to be had?
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I'm gonna assume he is basing that off of Austin & companies judgements. They see way more than we do. Hopefully their assessment is correct.
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Why? If you have any confidence in how the new staff is performing, why not let them be free to bring in new talent they want to replace the status quo?
If the guys being cut are not the best option for the system/roster, I like how they move ahead positively to benefit the team and cut the guy early so he might catch on elsewhere.
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The Safety market is dry. It would not surprise me at all if Iloka is back in a few weeks with a re-worked deal, provided he would be interested in returning. He won't be offered what he was scheduled to make here on the open market, but he is still a viable NFL Safety.
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I see these moves as unqualified arrogance. Lafell too. We don't have the roster yet to cut these guys and should be doing what other teams do and release them in final cuts.
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Iloka was miscast as a FS. Apparently they like Williams more as a SS. Bates may not be as good right now (although he graded better according to PFF) but he has more upside as a FS, and the biggest knock on him, his physicality, he seems to have improved on. This is a move for the future as much as the present, and opens up cap room for Atkins and Dunlap.
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REMF = Rear Echelon Mother Fucker....
refers to the military... soldiers who were "in combat" but were nowhere near the front lines. Supply types, admin types, etc...
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I do think he has potential as a PR. Yes, he probably shouldn't have let that punt go last night, but he knows how to do it. For some reason, it seems like he's psyching himself out or something. He looks tentative out there like he's not sure of himself. If he or someone can help him get his confidence back I think he could be pretty productive out there. I still miss Adam Jones for his punt returns. He was the best returner we've ever had, absolutely fearless, no fair catches, etc.
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However, Dalton has been in the league long enough to know that the business side of things is often ugly and players lose their jobs all the time when their performance dips and another younger, cheaper, hungrier, equally talented dude is ready to take your place.
Some people respond well to this kind of pressure (watch what happens with the Ravens this season with Flaccid and Jackson), some fold like a cheap tent. What SF2 is saying is that if Dalton's the latter person, then it's best to be rid of him anyway as he's not mentally strong enough to be our Dear Leader.
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Hell yeah. Look what Justin Tucker does for the Ratbirds. He can reliably nail 55 yarders (or more) when their offense stalls just past their opponents midfield, which thankfully is often.
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What's REMF stand for? Something to do with Bratkowski?
Cool. I tend to drift off during the latter halves of preseason games. I really only care about how the starting units play, the score is immaterial to me. Our starting units left a lot to be desired yesterday, on both sides of the ball. They did have a couple AJ Green shots that could have worked out for big gainers had the timing been down.
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