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3 hours ago, Jamie_B said:
If the Bengals agreed in good faith and are reneging now that is going to hurt them with other guys they want to sign long term.
I really hope this isn't true and we are not slipping back into our old way of doing business.This could be true but maybe, just maybe, the Bengals are still in negotiations with Trey...he has to realize that he's just one of many employees and the draft is the top priority, not a guy who is under contract through 2025. I understand he wants to get paid but he needs to be patient and not pitch a bitch.
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6 minutes ago, Shebengal said:
If the agent only has one other name client, then that leads me to believe that he, as I just told a client and fellow Bengals fans "does not know with whom he is messing". My client asked if it was because of Mike Brown's cheapness and I said no, because it was because of Mike Brown's principles. Basically he's going to say "Shut up and play." or "Shut up and retire."
Another reality is the agent knows he can't do anything but doesn't want to lose his only big-name client so he's just saying and doing whatever Trey wants him to do, even if he knows there's a zero percent chance of it happening.
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30 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:
The only leverage he has even with trying to get a trade is the threat of retirement. I would be very surprised if that happened.
The agent is making his client look stupid by asking for unrealistic demands. A quick search of the agents' website shows that his only other name client is Marquez Valdez Scandling, so maybe he sees Trey as his cash cow and is pumping his head with sweet nothings about him being underpaid because of the new deals that were signed this offseason.
If he thinks the Bengals are going to trade Trey or extend him when there's no reason to do so then he is silly. Trey isn't going to retire, if he was seriously considering retirement, he wouldn't be asking for a trade....all of this was poorly timed and executed.. a big-time failure on the agent's part.
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He's got zero leverage except for asking for a trade, but he's under contract until 2025. I'm sure the Bengals could give him a bit more cash to make him happy but he did just sign an extension and is an integral part of the team.
I'm sure his agent has been talking with a few teams that will give him an extension but why would the Bengals trade their best pass rusher who is under contract until 2025?
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48 minutes ago, JC said:
Agreed. The Latham and Murphy dreams are probably dead.
Id love to see how they have these tackles stacked up. I suspect they have Latham up top.
If anyone has any videos of Latham smoking weed or doing something stupid, now is the time to leak them...we need some hackers to get on this asap, who has a connections on the dark web...looking at you BJ...
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18 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:
The Chiefs trading up for Mims right after the Bengals is nightmare fuel. Then he goes on to the Hall of Fame with Kermit and a trivia question becomes "Who chose right before that pick?"
It reminds me of when the Bengals took John Ross with the pick right before Mahomes was drafted. 🫠
Mims has a lot of question marks, I would love this draft as Fuaga is the best-case scenario for the Bengals...he's a nasty, glass-ending SOB that would protect his uso Burrow for a decade plus.
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There are 8 OT's that could go in the first round:
Prospects Grade Position Class ALABAMA6.71 OT Junior NOTRE DAME6.49 OT Junior OREGON STATE6.48 OT Senior WASHINGTON6.47 OT Senior PENN STATE6.45 OT R-Junior GEORGIA6.42 OT Junior OKLAHOMA6.41 OT R-Junior ARIZONA6.36 OT Senior If the Bengals get any of these guys in the first round I would consider it a win, they need an RT and this is the draft to take one early.
Blake Fisher is a another guy that could go in the first round, but he's raw from a technique perspective but physically gifted...he's going to need some refinement on his technique and that's something I haven't seen our coaching staff do when it comes to developing young players.
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5 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:
With 10 picks the Bengals need to be willing to move up. But you can really only trade for a pick that's on the clock once you know who you can select with it. So don't expect any pre draft trades.
If there is an OT run and the Bengals will lose out on all the top 5-6 ... They have to be willing to package picks and be aggressive.
I cannot handle watching Mims throw Myles Murphy around like a rag doll for the next 5 years in a Squeelers uniform.
I have my doubts about Mims, for someone who was oft-injured and barely played, I would be wary of him. Guys who get injured in college definitely get injured in the NFL as the season is longer and the game is more physical because the competition is better..not saying I wouldn't draft Mims, he just scares me the most out of all the top OT prospects.
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I think most of the info that comes out during this time is misinformation, also just because a team wants to move up doesn't mean they can...
Like if KC wants to move up they have to find someone willing to go back to 32, which could be hard to do.
Hopefully, the Bengals will get one of the top 5 or 6 OTs in the draft.
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On 4/22/2024 at 5:14 PM, dex said:
TE Mitch Wilcox signs with New England.
Cincinnati will surely select a TE at some point in the draft...right?
They still have 3 TE's on the roster, Wilcox was a practice squad guy. Geiski, Sample, and Hudson will be the final 3 TE's that make the roster unless one of the guys suffer an injury, IMO.
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12 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:
The first clip where he places Sweat on his backside, was pretty impressive. Seems like he gets good anchor and finishes. Everyone looks great in their highlight films, but this one looks interesting.
And the Bengals haven't had a C-G from WV since Rich Braham
Yeah, Frazier is an impressive prospect, hopefully, the Bengals can get him in the 2nd round.
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Here's my dream draft scenario
18. JC Latham - OT Alabama
Latham is an ideal RT prospect that compares to our current RT, Trent Brown. Latham is a physical freak that could be the next Willie Anderson.
49. Zac Frazier - OC/OG WVU
Frazier is a former state-champion wrestler who understands leverage and is also an extremely smart player who is all Big 12 academic team...in short, he's an ideal prospect to QB the offensive line. He can play LG while learning from Karras or slide over to RG after Kappa's contract expires, he's the type of player the Bengals need to fortify the offensive line for the remainder of Burrow's tenure with the Bengals.
80. T'Vondre Sweat -NT/DT Univ. of Texas
Losing DJ Reader was a big blow for the Bengals' defense and the Bengals didn't sign a run-stuffing DT in FA to replace him yet, despite their best efforts. Sweat is considered to be the best run-stuffing DT in the draft and would be an ideal fit for the defensive line. He was considered to be a 2nd round pick but a recent DUI arrest may drop him from some teams' draft boards.
97. Braelon Allen RB - Wisconsin
With the Bengals trading Joe Mixon to the Texans and adding Zack Moss in the offseason there is a need for a power back to get the short yardage and wear down defenses as none of the backs currently on the roster fit that mold. Allen is a bruiser at 225 lbs with thick legs that make it hard for one defender to bring down in the open field. He's also great a running through arm tackles and not getting tripped up in the open field, something that Mixon struggled with. Adding Allen to the mix with Moss and Brown would give the Bengals a full compliment of runners to balance out the passing game.
115. Brendan Rice WR - USC
The son of the greatest football player ever, Jerry Rice, is an intriguing prospect who can develop into a legit starter with some solid coaching and a great QB. He needs some refinement on his routes, but athletically he's as gifted as any prospect in the draft. If he has any of his Dad's legendary work ethic he will be a starter in the NFL in a year or two. Also, he's a dynamic KR that would be an asset for the Bengals to help them take advantage of the new kickoff rules.
149. Johnny Dixon CB - PSU
With Mike Hilton in the last year of his deal the Bengals need a slot CB that can replace him, while there are a few candidates on the roster adding Dixon to the mix is a smart plan. Dixon is a scrappy CB who understands how to get underneath the opposing WR to make a play on the ball and he's capable of coming off the edge on a blitz to stop a runner or QB dead in their tracks.
194. Myles Cole - DE/OLB Texas Tech
When you talk about physical freaks, Myles Cole is what comes to mind. He's 6'6 280 lbs and ran a 4.67/40 at the NFL combine. He's falling to the last day of the draft because he's extremely raw and relied on his physical traits vs. having a defined set of moves to be successful. Myles started his career at Louisaina-Monroe before transferring to Texas Tech. He's yet to have the production that someone of his physical traits should have at that level, so that's why he's available at 194. I envision him as a Joker/DE/OLB in Lou's defense, he can be the 5th DE in the 5-2 alignments that Lou likes to play on early downs because of his ability to cover TE's or RB's in the flat or get after it in the run game.
214. Cornelius Johnson - WR Univ of Michigan
Johnson is a great athlete that is still figuring out how to play the WR position at a high level, a lot of his success in college was because of his god given talents so he's going to have to work on route running and overall understanding of passing concepts and defenses. He can be a special teams contributor while he develops and possibly be a starter in a few years.
224. Dallin Holker - TE Colorado State
Holker is a true playmaker, he has great hands and body control to make tough catches and he's scared to go across the middle and get physical with opposing defenders. He doesn't get much separation and isn't the best athlete which is why he's available but he's productive.
237. Tylan Grable - OT UCF
Grable is a former HS QB who is an athletic OT prospect who needs to get stronger and work on his fundamentals. He would benefit from a year or 2 on the practice squad to hone is skills before he is ready to play at the NFL level and be productive.
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1 hour ago, Jamie_B said:
I doubt it. At some point they are going to have to get a deal done with him. Dont pass on talent just because of an agent.
The Bengals can outbid other teams, they are allowed to do that...lol..
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1 hour ago, dex said:
Wonder if the Bengals would pass on a prospect because his agent is very difficult to deal with?
Muleghetta, the agent who represented both Bates and Higgins, also represents Taliese Fuega.
That would be very petty and stupid...ultimately the player makes the decisions, not the agents so blaming the agents is misguided, they are fiduciaries, not decision-makers.
If Bates wanted to be a Bengal he would be, if Tee wanted to sign a long-term deal he would... the agent just gets his clients the best deals possible.
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If I were a GM of a NFL franchise I would prioritize my draft board based on the following:
- Rounds 1 and 2 would be players that have a mix of high levels of production and athletic potential, as these are the players that most likely to have success in the NFL.
- Rounds 3 and 4 would be players that have a high level of production over athletic potential, as I feel that production trumps athletic potential and this is proven by HOF players who are marginal athletes but are football savants and know how to play the game at a high level. There are plenty of great athletes that can't play football.
- Rounds 5-7 would be freak athletes that need to be coached up, basically taking a flyer on these guys to see if you can develop them.
My overall draft strategy would prioritize production over athletic ability as production is the best way to determine if someone will be successful at the NFL level. Too often teams fall in love with an athletic freak that didn't produce at a high-level college and it doesn't work out in the NFL.
I would love to hear your draft strategy if you were running an NFL draft as a GM/Director of Personnel.
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On 4/12/2024 at 7:19 PM, sparky151 said:
And only 24 of his 712 snaps last year were in the A gap (with 13 of those in 1 game). He had 60 snaps in a B gap and the rest were over or outside a tackle. That's why PFF rates him as an Edge player. We're well stocked there. Signing him wouldn't help us at NT.
I'm aware, but he can do it. At this point he's the best option available, it's either him or an unproven rookie. Maybe someone will get cut before the season starts or they will make a trade like they did for Hill.
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18 minutes ago, sparky151 said:
Campbell is way past his prime. He's very tall and was was a very good player in his day. He's also a former NFL Man of the Year. But he doesn't move well these days.
Not sure he's better than Josh Tupou at this point.
LOL...That's a clown statement bro...look at his stats from last year...he balled out.
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/calais-campbell/4364
Tupou has never had a season with 47 tackles, 7 sacks, a FF..that's a career for him.
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Just sign Calais Campbell and get it over with already...he's monster that can play the run and pass well. He played in a 4-3 in Jax...get er done!!
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23 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:
The Bengals picks from the aforementioned Sporting News 7 round Mock ...
18. Cincinnati Bengals (9-8)
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J.C. Latham, OT, Alabama (6-6, 342 pounds)
The Bengals moved on from Jonah Williams and Orlando Brown Jr. didn't come through as expected, so going for Latham to protect Joe Burrow is smart.
49. Cincinnati Bengals
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Mike Sainristil, CB, Michigan (5-8, 182 pounds)
The Bengals didn't re-sign Chidobe Awuzie, but they should be OK trying to replace him by getting the former Wolverines teammate of other starter D.J. Turner.
80. Cincinnati Bengals
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Ja'Tavion Sanders, TE, Texas (6-4, 245 pounds)
The Bengals did re-sign Drew Sample and add Mike Gesicki to their tight end room, but they still need more athletic, nside pass-catching options with Tyler Boyd not re-signed. Sanders has loads of potential as a short-to-intermediate target.
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Jamari Thrash, WR, Louisville (6-0, 188 pounds)
The Bengals should think about adding this pass-catcher with some dangerous big-play skills to help replace Tyler Boyd directly after taking a tight end shot on Ja'Tavion Sanders.
115. Cincinnati Bengals
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Cole Bishop, S, Utah (6-2, 206 pounds)
149. Cincinnati Bengals
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Dallin Holker, TE, Colorado State (6-3, 241 pounds)
194. Cincinnati Bengals
- Myles Murphy, DT, North Carolina (6-4, 309 pounds)
214. Cincinnati Bengals (compensatory)
- Michael Wiley, RB, Arizona (5-10, 210 pounds)
224. Cincinnati Bengals (from Cardinals through Texans)
- Jaxon Janke, WR, South Dakota State (6-2, 210 pounds)
237. Cincinnati Bengals
- Evan Anderson, DT, FAU (6-3, 326 pounds)
basura ....no way they Bengals draft 2 TEs....the sporting news should just stop doing this pointless exercise as it's just embarrassing.
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55 minutes ago, spicoli said:
Guys like him are just easy to slot is all. The league has always been “skeptical” of fat guys, it’s nothing new.You're a fatist...guys like him...what is that supposed to mean...
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1 hour ago, Le Tigre said:
The experience factor is the main thing. If he is all that and a bag of chips, one would think he would have been starting sooner. If that were solely due to injuries, then that is another area to ponder
He is certainly a physically gifted player, and at 18, not that much of a reach (if that is even applicable). If he is going to develop, that would be evident in the first season.
Not that huge of a risk.
Keep in mind he was playing behind future NFL players, so that's why he was sitting. The starting LT and RT were both drafted in the 2023 draft with Jones going in the first round and McClendon going in the 5th round, but he was still getting playing time early in the games. It's very rare that one team has two OT's drafted so that does explain why Mims didnt' start as much as some of the other top prospects in this draft.
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11 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:
Cedric's selling point coming out was his arm length (which was 34"). Which is larger than average yes, but seems small compared to Mims' and Paul's other worldly 36".
Cedric was also injured the year prior as Mims was. But really to me they are totally different players. Mim's looks like he was carved on Mount Olympus, while Cedric looked like a schlub. Mim's also has very light feet like a ballerina, Cedric did not.
Mims is a powerful player, whereas Cedric was not. I remember watching training camp downtown in 2014 and saw Dunlap pick up Cedric off the ground and plant him in the dirt with a simple one-handed power move, it was embarrassing...Cedric's shoulders were the first thing to hit the ground, at that moment I realized he was in over his head and would struggle to play OT in the NFL.
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29 minutes ago, gupps said:
For some reason Mims reminds me of Cedric Ogbuehi and I have no idea why. Give me Fuaga (probably not happening) or Latham. I double dip in the 3rd also with an interior lineman
Mims is not like Ogbeuhi...he comes from a much better program where he practiced against and with future and current NFL players every day and is a physical freak of nature. Drafting him in the first round and allowing him to sit behind Trent Brown would be an ideal situation.
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The Bengals better draft an OT in the first round or miss out one, there a 4-5 really good OT's in this draft and after that the talent falls off a cliff..waiting until pick 49 will be too long.
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Round 1 Discussion: 2024 NFL Draft
in THE BENGALS FORUM - For Bengals Fans *Only*
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lol...why