sparky151
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I think Casey will have a chance to make the 53. Not sure about the punter, why not just bring Chrisman back for camp?
I wonder if the team has any plans to offer at least vet min contracts to Markus Bailey, Max Scharping, or Josh Tupou?
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Mims and Burton have potentially high ceilings. All doesn't belong in that category, which is why he's picked on day 3. Jared Wiley from TCU who went to the Chiefs has a higher ceiling than All, as an example.
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Thanks Jason!
I like Cricket's idea of donating the item to a youngster. If you know someone like that, give them a treat. If not, I know a 4 year old whose father is a Browns fan and who should be led back to the path of righteousness.
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21 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:
I wanted Stover over All.
I'd have preferred CB Kris Abrams-Draine from Missouri. He's on the small side but has great ball skills. Only allowed opposing QBs a 52 passer rating when throwing at him and had more picks than TDs allowed.
A completely healthy Eric All wasn't close to the second best TE in this class. Given his injuries, he was a reach in round 4. I wonder if the Bengals called the Raiders about Michael Mayer after they drafted Bowers? I'd have offered a third rounder for him.
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4 minutes ago, T-Dub said:
I understand why Mims was maybe a better pick than some other healthier player but when we're down to the middle of the 4th round? IDK, think I'd rather take soneone that's not rehabbing ACL and back surgery. I doubt this guy was markedly better than everyone else still available.
Not to be funny but I'm for drafting players that could at least walk to the podium unassisted. Or was this guy a first round pick if healthy?
No, if healthy, this is about where he'd be picked. Bengals must be confident about his medicals since they didn't discount him. I'd have expected Stover or Wiley to go beore All since he doesn't have any especially stand out qualities. But he's well rounded.
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This would be a good spot for CB Kris Abrams-Draine. Or a TE.
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Kris Jenkins Sr gained about 50 lbs after entering the NFL. Junior might still be able to add more weight. He was in the 250s when he arrived at MIchigan, and the 280s after his junior year. So he's shown he can add weight without slowing down. Reader was about 335 and I could see Jenkins at 325 in a couple of years with even more strength and not losing speed.
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That was a pretty idiotic move by Atlanta. They could have added a top receiver to their offense or a pass rusher or CB. Instead they took the oldest QB in the draft to sit behind their new free agent QB.
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17 hours ago, Jason said:
Tee isn't going anywhere. What are you going to spend the $21M on at this point?
I think there's a good chance they trade up tonight, I don't see 10 picks making the team, or them using all 10.
Last week Goodberry had a list of positions where a rookie could make the roster. It was something like 20 spots. So I expect the team will keep the 10 picks unless they want to use one in a trade-up.
If the team had traded Tee, they could certainly save the 22 mil for use with Chases's extension. If they had traded Tee at the beginning of free agency, they could have signed Christian Wilkins or Arik Armstead for example. Actually they could have afforded one of those guys plus A'Shawn Robinson and Tee in lieu of Rankins and Hill. And maybe added Johnny Newton with the pick from trading Tee.
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He got 15 mil from the Ravens last year which was a big overpay. But he's still a better than average WR2 when he's healthy. He did average 16 ypc last year.
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29 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:
Would you trade 1 year of Tee for 4 years of Adonai Mitchell?
Probably not if we're hoping to win the Super Bowl this year. If we'd taken advantage of the Titans last year when they wanted Levis, we'd already have Dawand Jones plus pick 38 in this draft. That would have let us take Brian Thomas Jr at 18 as the replacement for Tee. We could then flip him to the Patriots for pick 34 and use it for McKinstry or Newton, and try to move up from 38 for the other. Then take the best IOL at 49, a NT at 80 and grab a TE or RB later.
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I'd be surprised if we trade Tee. If it were going to happen, we might have picked Brian Thomas at 18, as he looks like a faster version of Tee. Maybe we would trade him if we could get AD Mitchell but Buffalo will probably grab him.
Trading Tee frees up 22 mil in cap space. We might throw some of it to rent Odell Beckham Jr for a season but most WR picks at this point will take some time to develop and we're trying to win the Super Bowl this year.
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1 hour ago, Griever said:
Players could look very different
There were a few players wearing them in the OSU spring game.
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18 minutes ago, sois said:
He could hold out for 10 games or whatever guys used to do then play the last six to get the vested year
He won't hold out that long. The fines for the 10 games missed and the lack of pay for them would exceed what he makes in the 7 games played. In effect, he'd be playing for free.
If he files retirement paperwork, he can unretire any time. But the club retains his rights while he's retired. Some guy in his 50s finally filed his retirement paperwork a few months ago, probably because he was getting ready to claim his pension.
If Trey did retire, the team would be entitled to repayment of his prorated signing bonus for the years he's not playing. So he'd have to write a multi-million dollar check to the team at a time when he wants the money to flow the other way. So the threat of retirement isn't very serious.
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I'd hate taking Benson at 80 then watching Sweat get picked before we're back on the board. In that scenario, take Sweat at 80 after Newton at 49 and turn your attention to IOL or skill players.
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I think we can probably get Sweat at 80, and maybe at 97 or 115. So 49 is sort of a free choice pick. WR, CB, IOL, TE, 3T are all in play.
But McKinstry over DeJean for sure. Kool Aid can play outside, while DeJean looks like a free safety or slot corner at the next level and we're well stocked there.
JPJ or Frazier or Beebe would be good picks at 49 if we want to finish rebuilding the O-line. Newton would be ok if still on the board, even though we have a decent pair of 3Ts currently. RB or TE and probably WR can wait until rounds 3 and 4.
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1 hour ago, BlackJesus said:
^ Bengals need to seriously consider moving to 9 if Alt, Nabers, or Bowers are still there.
Nah, the Bengals shouldn't trade up in round 1. They'll get a good player at 18.
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The Bengals are in the same position vs Hamilton County as Trey Hendrickson is vs the team. They want something from someone who's not inclined to give it.
Ohio's Art Modell law would make it hard for the Bengals to leave Cincinnati. The team would have to be offered for sale to local residents first. Suppose the Brown family values it at 6 billion and the best offer is 4 billion. Does that mean they are free to move? Not necessarily. The city or county could try to take it by eminent domain with the intention of reselling it to a new buyer committed to the city. In eminent domain, if the parties can't reach an agreement it goes to a jury trial. I doubt a jury of Hamilton County citizens will give the Brown family as much as they want.
This came up a few years back with the Columbus MLS team. The former owner wanted to move it to Austin. The state of Ohio sued them and they ended up selling to Browns owner Jimmy Haslam and have thrived since.
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26 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:
Some guys who believe they are at the top of the draft don't test so they don't mess with that.
If Lathem thinks he's the #2 Tackle, it makes sense not to test and mess that up.It's not unusual for a player who does well at the combine to skip testing at his pro day. Or someone to prefer to perform at his pro day and skip it at the combine. A few prospects like Marv can get away with skipping it entirely. But Latham isn't in that category. Pass blocking is more important than run blocking in the NFL and several other tackles are better pass blockers than him. Maybe Harbaugh overlooks that with the Chargers but he won't like seeing Herbert get hit either. Latham could easily fall to 20.
28 minutes ago, High School Harry said:OT and Sacrilege but...
One side thing I am interested in seeing how the first round plays out but also for the teams
who draft behind us...
I am as interested or perhaps more so in Round Two.
Some very good players are going to slide into it and with our #49
and two Third rounders... we could knock it out of the park and have a phenomenal draft.
Round Two really intrigues me...
Agreed, our 3 picks tomorrow night will have more influence on our future than the pick tonight.
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1 hour ago, High School Harry said:
I'd rather see Mims get his game day experience here than in Pittsburgh.
Likewise. We have OBj under contract for 3 more years and Trent Brown for 1 year. Either could theoretically be extended if the team wants but they don't like signing guys who are 30 or over for multi-year deals. So any rookie taken at 18 will be with us for 4, maybe 5 years. It would be a plus if he could play not only RT but LT if needed. Mims fits that requirement better than Latham or Fuaga.
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3 hours ago, claptonrocks said:
I doubt any 350lb or up OTs have
happy feet..
Trent Brown is 370 and doubt he's a gazelle...Same with Zeus..
Also.. Lathem's tape is at 360.
He's down to 342 now which will
help him move better.
So why didn't he test at the combine or pro day if he now moves better than his tape?
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The Cowboy, 49er, and Buccaneer don't look very manly or tough.
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The Bengals don't have much leverage in this situation. They aren't going to privately finance and build their own stadium and can't move to another city without the Brown family losing control of the team.
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This is a relatively weak draft for edge rushers. Bengals could probably get a late first round pick from a team like the Lions (if they have any cap space left after extending St Brown and Sewell). They're also looking at a Goff extension. The Commanders have cap space and a need at DE so maybe they offer their 2nd rounder or something. The problem for the Bengals is they couldn't get as good a player at that spot. So trading Trey doesn't make much sense.
Trading Tee on the other hand might, depending on what is offered and who we can replace him with. This is a good WR draft so saving the 22 mil and using it for Uno's extension makes sense.
2 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:If the Bengals agreed in good faith and are reneging now that is going to hurt them with other guys they want to sign long term.
I really hope this isn't true and we are not slipping back into our old way of doing business.The Bengals added a year to his previous deal and gave him a raise on his 2023 salary. It amounted to 21 mil in new money for an additional year. That's not ripping him off.
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Draft Theme this year
in THE BENGALS FORUM - For Bengals Fans *Only*
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I'd call it a "back to basics" draft with no QBs or RBs, only 1 CB, more TEs than WRs and several O-line and D-linemen.