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HavePityPlease

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  1. Sorry if this was posted already but did anyone see this mock?

     

    https://www.profootballnetwork.com/ian-cummings-7-round-2024-nfl-mock-draft-march-16/

     

    Not really worth anyone's time, he has us take THREE offensive lineman and TWO WR's (including a first rounder) but of note:

     

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    • Trade: Bengals receive No. 6 pick; Giants receive No. 18 pick, WR Tee Higgins, 2025 second-round pick.

    Tee Higgins recently requested a trade as a result of his contract situation. He should have plenty of suitors, but the Giants made it clear with the Brian Burns trade that they’re still looking to compete in the immediate.


    Higgins is not a stable long-term asset at this moment, which is why the trade is more balanced in favor of New York. But the Bengals were still able to leverage Higgins into a trade-up to potentially target another upgrade on the offensive side of the ball.

     

    I get a lot of these "experts" have no love or interest in the Bengals, but I always cringe at these high-profile trades they propose that make no sense at all for one of (or both) the teams.

     

    Why would the Bengals trade away Tee and a LOT of capital just to move to six and take his replacement (Odunze in this case)?  Why would the Giants not just stay put and take Odunze if Higgins is "not a stable long-term asset"?  Clearly in this scenario it's way better for the Bengals to either keep Tee or take whatever trade doesn't have them giving up extra picks.  Would the Bengals love it if they pick some WR who turns out to be a worthy (or even better?) replacement for Higgins as well as a cheaper long-term asset?  Sure.  Trading away picks to make that river-boat gamble is pretty dumb IMO but it's also simply not the way the Bengals do business.

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  2. 1 hour ago, Jamie_B said:

    Bell signing sounds like a year. I'm ok with that I like having vets starting but you have got to let your young guys be backups getting a lot of snaps so they are ready when the vet leaves

     

    I think this was likely the plan last offseason when the Bengals/Anarumo came out and admitted they had expected Bell was coming back.  I'd suspect it's possible they told Bell this and he scoffed/walked... or of course it could have been money, I never heard either way.  Regardless, I'm sure this was the idea last year with a certainty they'd take a strong safety in the draft.  Now they can let Bell teach them what that's all about.

     

    FWIW I won't be surprised if Lou switches Dax back to outside CB, but if they take a first rounder he might even switch to being the designated heir apparent to Hilton... ?

     

    I'm just gratified that what I brought up during the season as our key "loss" on D  (secondary communication went to shit/no QB in the back) has been confirmed not just by talking heads but again, Lou himself in his combine interviews.  It seemed pretty obvious to me.

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  3. 13 hours ago, T-Dub said:

     

    You're assuming that by not spending the money on Higgins they will reinvest it on other players.  Also the cap just went up, more than enough to cover his franchise tag. This means they are still top 5 in cap space.

     

    Do you think they're going to approach free agency like a team with $50-60m to spend, or do you think we're due another press release about how they did the math and actually need to borrow ohhhh about $3.50?

     

    Well the question was, is near-Evans money hypothetically "worth it" for Tee, not so much what will the Bengals do.  I gave my thought what I think it should mean to them, but if you ask me what I think they'll do - I think it will likely be Jessie all over again.  Tag at least once, maybe twice, the player is unhappy and they let him walk after.  Best case scenario we win a Super Bowl, worst case we as fans are disappointed the team didn't do something else with him from the beginning.

     

    The wildcard is if Tee/the agent holds out or tries to force something.  I'm happy for us to have Tee but I'm wary of an unhappy Tee.

     

    Edit:  I should add, if the question is considered more generic i.e. is Tee worth near-top-of-the-league money for *any* team... I'd say no.  He hasn't proven it long enough and he gets hurt too often.

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  4. 19 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

    Mike Evans just got 2 years 26 per. So lets say that's Tees deal. 4 years 26.5 per.....but we got him for 1 year at 21.5. So lets say we offer 4 years 100M. 

     

    Is that too much? Is that worth it?

    I think in a vacuum you could justify paying Tee top WR1 money, but we're not in a vacuum, we already have a WR1.  As many of us have been thinking/saying it's just too much of a luxury to bury your cap on 3 guys on one side of the ball, two of which are not OL or QB (Joe, Chase, Tee).  I don't really buy the "the cap will go up anyway" arguments, that's never a guarantee.  Several NHL teams burned their own ass assuming that the cap was going to go up X amount, and it never did.

     

    Is that even the real deal breaker anyway?  I thought people were saying that his agent is notorious for insisting on multi-year guarantees (or something) that the Bengals just don't/won't ever go for?

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  5. I'd be interested to hear about prospects people feel like are underrated or not talked about enough.  Some of mine appear on my mocks, specifically:

     

    - Kris Jenkins:  I think he might be better than is being forecasted.

     

    - Braden Fiske:  After his combine performance the cat might be out of the bag (at least with forecasters) but he's one of those guys who is just a lunch pail football player that gets the job done - something I've always wished the Bengals would go for more often.

     

    - Ricky Pearsall: His combine performance demonstrates the crazy athleticism of this guy, but I agree with the profiles that say it doesn't always show up on the tape.  He's way faster than he shows sometimes, but runs great routes, has very good hands and is tough as all hell.  I love those guys.

     

    - Beaux Limmer:  His senior bowl performance was fantastic, it's been talked about some but maybe not enough.  He has the shorter arms that coaches dread but he did very well against some extremely high competition during that week.  He's a center prospect apparently but that's fine, I'd like us to move on from Trey Hill who doesn't seem like a viable option at all and we need to think about what we'll be doing when Karras leaves (or his injured).

     

    - Dylan Laube: Showed at the senior bowl that when you motion him out he's a dangerous route runner and pass catcher, which fits us well.  Like pretty well EVERY RB in this class his blocking needs improvement, but unlike many he actually seems "willing" in this regard.  These are the kinds of guys the team needs IMO.

     

    Edit:  Forgot one:

     

    - Kalen King:  a good cover guy who was fantastic tackling and beating blocks.  I love guys who beat outside blocks on an island and make individual plays from the CB position, I jump out of my seat for that stuff.

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  6. 10 hours ago, claptonrocks said:

    Wilson is a freak .

    All day over Pearsall.

     

    Piersal has no length for contested catches .

    Not a fan of him at all..

     

     

     

    Well it depends on what you're looking for, I see Pearsall as a slot guy to replace Boyd.  Yes we already picked Jones last year, but I don't know about anybody else but to me Jones is looking like he might be highly injury prone so IMO we need depth there (and Pearsall might beat him outright in a position battle).

     

    Wilson is certainly a freak but he's still a "tweener".  I could see some teams trying to turn him into a TE and others using him as a redzone/first down match-up guy.  He had some horrible games where he dropped everything so it's hard to say what you'd do with him, but he's a project and a "nice problem to have" if you have the picks to spare.  I don't see him as replacing anybody and tbh I don't think Zac et al would choose him at all because it seems to me that Zac doesn't use receivers that way, they use TEs or go all out and have route runners everywhere.

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  7. 1 hour ago, MichaelWeston said:

    Where does everyone land on Turner?

     

    To sort of agree and expand on what tex said, Turner showed impressive coverage ability and was willing when filling on runs - when he was a spot player.  Once he was forced to start he wore down quickly and seemed overwhelmed more often than not.  That could be rookie struggles but it could also mean he's not suited to be a full-time outside starter (too physically fragile?).


    FWIW I'm happy to see how he does in year 2 with some confidence that if he ends up a spot coverage guy who contributes on special teams he can thrive.  Either way we need competition for our #2 CB spot.

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  8. 19 hours ago, Griever said:

     

    TBH that sounds like what some predicted - they really do want him, but only at a certain price.  "We'd like to" sounds pretty weak, which might be implying that the agent/Tee are threatening a hold out/force-out like so many WRs have done recently, and the FO realizes it might be futile.

     

    If we can get a 1st+ for him, that's fine by me.  This isn't Madden, we're not going to be able stack every position just because.  Fix the broken areas (and there are a number of them) using whatever means required - which often means reducing your stacked positions to fill the weak ones.

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  9. On 2/20/2024 at 3:17 PM, BlackJesus said:

    Continuing on Cooper DeJean, he might have the most impressive highlight reel of a CB I have ever seen at any level ... He catches like a WR, runs like a RB, and seems to glide down the field. 

     

     

    I appreciate that this highlight package showed a collection of him on contain, so many of these just show INTs and PRs/whatever.

    He looks like the complete package, I'd be very happy if we ended up with him.

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  10. 1 hour ago, High School Harry said:

    Interesting thought but I don't think they will admit they may have screwed up

    with Robbins.  Call him a work in progress or something.

    I mean, they still have not admitted Jackson Carman was a bad choice and epic fail,

    hanging on to him just filling a roster spot and languishing on the inactive list most weeks.

     

    I kind of agree this might happen but Simmons is less of this type of coach than others have been/are - Robbins is the example, they could have just tried to make Crisman better.  And everyone needs to remember as they feverishly build their "punter wishlist" for the draft that just booting the ball far is not (nearly) enough - they have to be able to hold, and hold consistently (and *immediately*).  If nothing else Robbins has been great in this regard, but as far as he's concerned I want and expect a competition because he clearly wasn't good enough in his primary job.  If these monster leg guys can held, get 'em in here.

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  11. 7 minutes ago, SF2 said:

    Considering our offense did almost nothing in the second half, I was surprised the defense held out that long. 

    Yeah I thought it was a mistake to not take the 3 after the one long drive - it was "that type of game" and boy was it in the end, and the defense could have used some help after finally getting a three-and-out - but tbh nobody should ever be surprised or expect different from Taylor, he's always said he will go for those.

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