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2 hours ago, UncleEarl said:
The question is why do Harbaughs QBs always suck? He gets good recruits. Maybe it's the coaching and stupid pressure he puts on them? He sucks, man. Michigan isn't just not competing with OSU, they can't compete with anyone. I don't buy the COVID excuse. Harbaugh's kids are getting out worked. They should be able to beat Michigan State in their sleep. Harbaugh sucks, and he ain't coming for pennies. He makes $7-10M. Being better than Zac Taylor isn't saying shit. I would actually like the Bengals to hire a good coach, not one that the players will laugh at daily. We have that now.
Yeah, Andrew Luck was trash. Kaepernick almost won a Super Bowl. They all sucked. Do a little research dude.
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Reporter: “How did the surgery go Dr.?”
Doc: “Whew! Boy did I fuck that one up. Hell, he is young and strong so a little limp won’t hurt him.”
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5 hours ago, UncleEarl said:
All of that is true. Who's fault is that? Does the head coach not talk with their top recruits? If the kid is a box of rocks the HC should figure that out.
The bottom line is Harbaugh has had PLENTY of talent at QB and throughout the lineup. No recruiting issues.
First you said Michigan didn't get the recruits. That was false. Now you suggested they can't get top QB recruits. That is also false. The talent is there. The coaching staff has failed miserably. If a college coach can't get top buy-in and effort out of kids who he basically owns, how is he going to get buy-in and top effort from professionals? Throw in the fact that the same HC says and acts like a nut job on a regular basis and you should want none of that for your NFL team. Michigan is losing because they don't believe in themselves or their coaching staff.
Michigan hasn’t gotten a single difference making QB which they MUST HAVE to compete against the Ohio States of the world. There in no way you can compete at a high level without a great QB in college, it just isn’t possible unless you are Alabama with WAY better talent.
I was at the Hobo vs Buckeyes game. Mayfield was mind numbing to watch. Just surgically took apart the Buckeye’s defense. JT Barrett couldn’t hold his jock.
Burrow did the same last year. The difference between Tua and Hurts at Alabama was stark.
And Michigan is losing because their team and the State of Michigan were in lockdown way longer than Ohio and even Indiana. Keep in mind I think Harbaugh is a whiny bitch but he is way better than Zac.
And the fact is the team is way better than when Brady Hoke and Rich Rodriguez were the coaches.
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54 minutes ago, UncleEarl said:
Yes, Big 10 football is overrated. Still, even without a high end QB Michigan shouldn't be anywhere close to as bad as they have been. They recruit top classes on an annual basis. Only thing left is....coaching. Harbaugh has lost his marbles. He has had QB talent. Dylan McCaffrey was a big time signing. He opted out this season and is transferring. They have another top signing coming in next season in JJ McCarthy. Harbaugh has plenty of talent. Why is his program cratering?
Burrow left OSU because he was never going to play for Meyer. He didn't fit his QB mold. You know, the one where they have little to no chance of succeeding in the NFL? Don't know why any good HS QB would sign with Urban Meyer.
I am sorry but I have seen Michigan play 3 times this year. The QB play has been HORRIBLE! I mean fucking terrible. Watching guys who can’t accurately throw the ball 15 yards is mind numbing. Watching guys completely miss WIDE open receivers is brutal. Worse is one game they play ok and the next they totally suck.
Plenty of highly rated kids come out of High School and simply can not play at the college level. Best example is 5 star recruit Tate Martell. My daughter knew him in college. He was a douche. She is also good friends with KJ Hill. When Martell left Hill told her he was the dumbest QB he had ever met.
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8 hours ago, spicoli said:
A lot has happened between then and now. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that he has completely blown all credibility at this point. There's no one that takes that sociopath seriously anymore, not even a bunch of college kids.
Buckeye fans make me laugh. Harbaugh’s record at Michigan is better than the last few coaches. He simply can’t convince any high end QB to play there when there are far better options. Mahomes played at Texas Tech. Burrow LEFT OSU to play someplace better.
Big 10 football is so horribly overrated. Maybe 1.5 good teams every year?
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8 hours ago, stryker57 said:
like thats an accomplishment..... my mother in law has as many play off wins as the bengals in the last 25 years . maybe they should hire her
5 playoff wins in only 4 years of coaching to include a Conference Championship and almost winning a Super Bowl is no longer considered an accomplishment, thanks for the update.
Your analogy is garbage, Harbaugh actually won something, your mother in law won you, poor thing.
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31 minutes ago, spicoli said:
Harbaugh is batshit crazy. Why in the hell would NFL players play for that douche if college kids won't?
44-19-1 in the regular season
5-3 in the playoffs with an NFC Championship. Yeah, NFL players won’t play for him.
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5 minutes ago, UncleEarl said:
We’ve been over this. He’s f’n crazy. He’s done.
You don’t like kahkis?
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4 hours ago, UncleEarl said:
Jesus...maybe you really are a Pittsburgh fan.
Harbaugh has as many playoff wins as the Bengals.
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16 minutes ago, UncleEarl said:
How many endorsements do you think Gase has? He’s a pariah. The Jets are little brother in NY anyway. The Jets job is a pressure cooker with an awful roster.
Again, 4 years at $20mil. If you fail you still won.
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10 hours ago, mgbrown66 said:
This kid's highlight tapes are impressive. But I want to see tape on him being bullrushed by NFL caliber talent.
That's the difference between some of these athletic freaks and 'generational' talents like Munoz.
Cedric GoByMe had great feat. And he's still awful.
What blew my mind with Ced was his reaction time. It seemed so many times he didn’t remember the snap count and the D End got a jump on him.
As to Sewell, he is no different than Munoz, if you want to see how he does against NFL talent you will need to draft him or wait until September and watch him play.
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2 hours ago, TigerJ@w said:
But you will be Fired faster too if you don’t.
Adam Gase signed a 4 year estimated $20 mil contract in New York. Taylor isn’t making more than $1mil a year.
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15 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said:
There are a lot of small market teams with much higher franchise values because they have built a team BRAND of value. Mike Brown is too fucking stupid to understand this concept.
He might if his goal was to sell the team to an outsider. It actually is better if the value is less from an estate tax point of view when he passes away. Don’t want Katie or Mikey in the poor house.
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10 minutes ago, UncleEarl said:
I haven't seen Lawrence make one play that makes me go "ooh..." Burrow did it last year and this year. I saw Peyton Manning do it live in his first college game. Thought he had thrown a pick-6, but no...he zipped it by the closing CB and it went for a big gain. Special. Palmer had decent tools around him. Lawrence reminds me of Palmer. All the tools, but no "it" factor. The thing that makes guys want to play with and for you. Burrow has it. Joe Montana definitely had it. We'll see about Lawrence, but so far I would say no.
Who cares how old Burrow is? He only really played two seasons of college football. It's not like he has a lot of miles on him. I would say he has at least 10 years of peak physical performance left in him.
You are still dancing around the original point of the conversation. The Bengals have plenty of company when it comes to crappy management in the NFL. Yes, guys will take the HC job, and especially knowing they have a QB like Burrow.
I have never denied plenty of bad management exists in the NFL but Detroit and Cincy pretty much lock up the cellar. Cleveland seems to be turning the corner unfortunately. The Jags ain’t great but almost won the AFC Championship in 2017.
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43 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said:
Burrow will NOT be the issue going forward. The front office will. No GM, no scouts so you can't attract a good coach and even if you do you can't get him enough good players.
Arguing Burrow over Lawrence over Hebert is a mugs game. It is the rest of the organization that is the issue and has been the issue. As noted, other teams like the hapless Jets at least will try and rebuild the entire organization whereas the inbreds just stay with what has been working so well.
We made the right choice with Burrow. We were not getting Lawrence and Herbert has a better line for sure so his stats are better.
I am sure Burrow would do great at Kansas City. The problem will always be the front office, Mahomes would struggle here.
My point is Burrow is not our savior. That only works in basketball, bowling, tennis and golf. He is a great piece for sure.
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1 hour ago, UncleEarl said:
Herbert is very good, but it hasn't translated into many wins. I don't pay attention to SD that much, but he reminds me of a young Marino.
If you really think Burrow is just better than Andy Dalton I've grossly overestimated your football knowledge. Burrow made things happen behind an atrocious line. If the Bengals had and even semi-competent defense he would have 2 or 3 more wins.
Trevor Lawrence is way overrated, IMO. He makes the throws he's supposed to make and has wheels. He also plays for a team with dominant talent across the board. Rarely is it required for him to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. That's exactly what Burrow did this year. That's exactly what Lawrence will have to do on the Jets, which is one of the historically worst teams in NFL history. I don't care what they did a while back, but since the Johnsons have taken over that team the Jets have been on the cellar express. Dumb signings, bad drafts, and stupid coaching hires. The unholy trifecta for management. Yeah, all the top HC wannabes are excited about that.
The only reason a guy would pick the Jets over the Bengals is money. The Jets will pay. Mike Brown will not.
The bottom line is the Brown family is a terrible executive group, but there are plenty of other examples in the NFL including the Lions, Jets and WFT. All horribly run if not for as long as the Brown family.
I am not quite sure how you equate 2 wins and the 26th ranked offense as chicken salad. Yes, Burrow has played well as a rookie but the team is only marginally better than last year’s team on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball.
Like Dalton, Burrow will need the pieces around him to be successful. Palmer was in the same boat and had a little success but not much.
Now it is laughable to proclaim Lawrence overrated because his team is so awesome and pretend LSU, which had 17 players drafted this year with 5 in the 1st round, was successful because of Joe B. Can’t have it both ways.
Also, Burrow is almost 24 years old. He spent 5 years in college. Lawrence just turned 21. Patrick Mahomes just turned 25, he is already in his 4th year.
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8 hours ago, UncleEarl said:
If you didn’t figure out Burrow is special the way he played this season, well...not much I can say.
Lawrence hasn’t done squat in the NFL. The Jets are currently the most dysfunctional organization in the NFL. Good luck.
I know the Bengals suck, but the “we’re worse than everyone” pity party is getting old.
The Jets have played in 2 AFC Championships in the last 12 years. The Bengals haven’t won a playoff game in 30.
There isn’t one GM in the NFL that would take Joe Burrow and his shredded knee over Trevor Lawrence given the choice.
Burrow is a better QB than Andy Dalton which is good but it’s a huge stretch to call him special. Likable guy but a Passer rating of 89 and QBR of 59,9 makes him pretty average. Statistically, Herbert is having a much better season.
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21 minutes ago, UncleEarl said:
Who is the last QB that had their career ruined by a knee injury? Even Bridgwater is back playing. I get the “woe Is me, we are the Bengals” shtick, but Burrow will be back and likely next season. His arm and head will be the same.
Yes, Bengals management sucks. The Jets are probably worse. Maybe new ownership will help in Detroit, but you are saddled with a chronic underachiever in Stafford. So, yes...a potential HC would chose Cincinnati over those teams because of Burrow.
LOL, the Bengals are last on every available coach’s list. You would honestly take the Bengals with Joe Burrow coming off rehab over the Jets and touchdown Jesus? Joe Burrow is already yesterday’s news. Rookie of the year? Nope.
Next year Lawrence and Fields will be the big story, Burrow and the Bengals? Snore.
He won 2 games this year. Yay!
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44 minutes ago, spicoli said:
I don't know, I guess we'll see. He's a different kind of cat.
LOL, he ain’t passing up a quick 60 to 80 mil.
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2 hours ago, spicoli said:
Besides us, only one of those teams has a legit franchise-type QB though. That carries a lot of weight, even if he did get hurt. Watson got hurt too don't forget. Also, if Jets get number one pick you can bet Lawrence goes back to Clemson regardless of which coach they hire....unless they hire Dabo of course. Which is highly unlikely.
You can’t seriously think any coach would chose Cincinnati over any other franchise just because they have Joe “MCL, ACL, and meniscus damage” Burrow waiting for them?
Coaches know what Cincinnati offers on a professional level, almost nothing.
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3 hours ago, TigerJ@w said:
You mean like the Jets, Lions and Jags? Really? What high end HC job teams do you speak of?
Uhh, Falcons, Texans and possibly Bears and Eagles?
All 4 are massive upgrades. Atlanta’s new house is awesome. Houston WAY nicer than Cincy. Bears and Eagles both huge following in huge cities.
Jacksonville vs Cincy?? LOL Detroit sucks but new owner ain’t fucking around. Jets are garbage but still a better job than earning 6 figures with Mike Brown.
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3 hours ago, I_C_Deadpeople said:
Zac Shula's coach speak is worse than ML's. He is so full of shit at this point.
Marvin was 13-14 at this point after taking over a 2-14 club.
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4 hours ago, SmoothD said:
I'd see how much it would take to get Jameis Winston off the Saints.
Start him in 2021 and let Burrow sit until 2022.
He would be much better than what we are rolling out there now.
Winston would be a great backup. At least he ain’t afraid to throw the ball. Won 7 games last year which is 7 more than our backups have won the last 4 years.
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31 minutes ago, High School Harry said:
He's just playing out the season to see what 2021 brings. If anything.
He will get picked up and become rejuvenated like Amari Cooper.
I have a hard time voting for a guy who was on the practice squad a week ago winning unless he is kicker or something. Stepping in the starting QB spot with few snaps isn’t fair or intelligent from a franchise perspective. Better option with guys who shouldn’t be playing like crap game 10.
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In my humble opinion the top recruits don’t want to play for Michigan in shitty ass Ann Arbor, especially QBs. Same reason Penn State can’t get a top QB. Social Media is killing programs like those.
Even trashy Tallahassee is better than Ann Arbor. Partying outside in shorts in January is appealing to most college kids.
My daughter went to OSU, serious party school and great RECENT success. Michigan is full of really smart people trying to do well in college.