I_C_Deadpeople
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This team's biggest weakness is the inability to draft OL. Given that we have missed even on premium picks, maybe the team is gun-shy to try again. I am not sure drfated ones later is any help given that if you cant evaluate them higher up the draft it seems unlikely you can lower down? Just rambling...the whole OL drafting and scheme used is a hot mess...
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11 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:
How does Taylor not see this.?
I am sure he does but Joe has the keys at the moment so he needs to have the discussion with JB.
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6 hours ago, T-Dub said:
Yeah it's interesting to me that they want to be 6-7 deep on the DL with solid players but try to squeak by with like 4.33 starting quality OL at best. They obviously put a lot of value on the one group but go scratch & dent on the opposites matching up with them for every snap. How is "keeping guys fresh" the goal everywhere but for what is probably the most physically grueling positions in the game? Doesn't add up.
Realistically they need 6 average or better OL to get through a season without there being a weakness because someone is bound to miss games. Can't tell where though so more like 7 assuming one of them can play G as well as T or C. Right now we've got what, 3 of them before the talent level goes over a cliff?
I agree with the lack of OL depth (and quality of the starters) but note that you need more depth at DL becuse those players rotate in/out each game whereas the starting OL plays the entire game barring injury.
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19 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:
Jerry was quite patient with Garrett also. Dare I say MFB-like?
I don't think old Jerry likes to admit he made a mistake.
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Just now, I_C_Deadpeople said:
Well a first rounder could displace Sample
And Ossai
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14 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:
Trey
Sam
Ossai
Sample
Murphy
The 6th was Gunther
Well a first rounder could displace Sample
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26 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:
We carried 6 DEs last season, 5 of whom are worth a roster spot (when Ossai is healthy)
I guess you could move on from Jeff Gunther but how many DEs deep do we need to be?
At what point is "never having enough DEs" taking away from having even quality starters at other positions?
Which 5 are you referring to?
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2 hours ago, esjbh2 said:
I'm somewhere in between you and T-Dub/Spicoli on this subject...I like to be like Switzerland :)...but I will say that PFF may be just fine as "A SOURCE" for a player's talent evaluation and hence why it has NFL and college subscriptions, but some people seem to think it is "THE DEFINITIVE SOURCE"...BIG difference. Lots of other things need to be considered, game context, team context, heart/passion, performance when game is on the line, and like SheBengal says things like football/game IQ, leadership, etc.
I'll use Sam Hubbard as an example. He's not a guy that shows up on the stat sheet like Trey does and prolly doesn't have great numbers on PFF and he's been said to be an under-performer in another thread here and maybe would even be cut if on another team. That's just udder BS in my mind...his value goes way beyond sack numbers and PFF grades...I sure as hell don't want to lose him. OLine is another glaring PFF example...maybe a player has a diminished PFF grade because of the team/game context dictates that he play next to one of worst linemen in the league, or because the coach is using a scheme that doesn't match the skillset of the players. I'm not saying that's always the case, just citing examples of how PFF grades and stats can be very deceiving.
"Lies, damn lies, and statistics" -Mark Twain
Sometime back on Sirius radio, I think it was either Korean or the Ketchup Whisperer said all teams use PFF as a resource not as a Bible , it is another set of eyes that looks at the players. Kind of a cross check.
No doubt teams also look at some of the draft sites if they know the site’s previous analysis was good. Another cross check.
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1 hour ago, Jamie_B said:
Draft a DE and make him a DT.
We're doing that with Zack Carter, unsuccessfully so far.
I'd rather find a true 3-TechNo, I said draft a DE then on passing downs another DE can move inside, we already do this on some occasions. And depth is depth , need it for injuries
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On one of the draft sites I was reaging up on the RT's - they noted Mims is strong at pass blocking but still learning run blocking whereas Faugua (sp) is strong at run blocking but still learning pass blocking.
Several sites have Kingsley Suamataia (OT, BYU) rising and Brugler has him going at #27 in round one in his two round mock. Note, he played this past season at LT but the previous sason at RT.
And an indication of the overall need for OL in the league, in his first round mock, Bruglar has 11 OL taken. His mocvks tend to go more by position need then by his own ranking. Eseentially, OL is like QB now - can get a bit over-drafted due to shortage of good ones.
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5 hours ago, Jamie_B said:
The bigger need is getting that pass rush from the inside.
Sure, but if you draft a DE that can rush one of the other DE's can move inside on passing downs or you put 5 DL on the filed and take out a LB...lots of options when you have more skilled players
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9 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:
We just drafted Murphy can we let him show something before we start talking about getting another DE.
True but DE is part of the DL - and you can NEVER have enough DL or OL. Period. Someone posted a few days ago we need to see how FA falls, pehaps we solidify the DT spot with FA and then if a goos DE is avaiable at the 18 spot we take him. I have no issue with that. Hubbard and Trey are probably both a bit over used and having good young backups would help them as well.
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The only key takeaway I took from this weekends playoff games was - WE WERE NOT F*CKING THERE.
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4 hours ago, Gary said:
I hope we spend our 1st on a nice CB. Heck, our first three should be CB CB S.
I hope you are being sarcastic....
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So Clonws lose, Stoolers lose and the Hobo wins? LOL
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5 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:
I think with the team using coaches to do this too, it just adds more to the Frank Pollack needs to be replaced convo
Good point
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3 minutes ago, WRAPradio said:
Frank Pollack is definitely an issue. If I’m not mistaken, normally the OL coach is responsible for the running game/scheme as well. If that’s the case here, even if it isn’t, FP needs to move on and find his life’s work.
The OL never seems to match the offensive identity? Scheme is a big issue though and when we saw the Browns do OK with 3 guys out that speaks volumes.
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2 hours ago, Jamie_B said:
I have no little issue with our scouting staff BUT I wish they could add 1 guy who could f*cking properly scout the OL. Just 1 guy.....
Raiders have a staff of 25 and the Pats have 17 and neither have drfated worth a crap over the last 5 years. I will give our smaller staff credit for quality
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That Nacua guy is ridiculous
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Everyone loves to see a Cowgirl get spanked!!
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Well, the idea of Dan Quinn as a HC candidate is taking a beating today.
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1 hour ago, T-Dub said:
He's a borderline starter at a premium position, someone is going to make him their LT and those guys get paid.
I don't disagree with that other than the previous post noted their are cheaper starters out there is the same or better stats; perhaps someone will pay large $$ under the premise that he still has a higher ceiling?
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The Way Too Early 2024 Draft Thread
in THE BENGALS FORUM - For Bengals Fans *Only*
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Well, we added to the bad Uggbuhei pick with our next pick, Jake Fisher.