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1 hour ago, High School Harry said:
Ancient Bengals History...
In the 1977 Draft Paul Brown used a 4th round draft pick for Georgia ORT Mike Wilson who would have gone
in the first round if he had not already signed a contract with Toronto in the CFL.
He played there a year before coming to the Bengals to play ORT for many years overlooked because he
played next to ORG Max Montoya and he was the book end for young OLT Anthony Munoz.
He was one of my favorite Bengals ever. Mike Wilson was overlooked and underrated.
It is strange to think that, at one time, players often made more money in the CFL than in the NFL. Today, the annual team salary cap in the CFL is around $6M - for the whole team!
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5 hours ago, dex said:
I think the Bengals pick at 18 will be one of these five players:
Fuaga
Latham
Fautanu
Mims
Murphy
Going out on a limb there…lol
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Not sure why Tee would be frustrated with other tagged players getting deals. Perhaps they accepted fair amounts instead of asking for too much?
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13 hours ago, Le Tigre said:
If there is one area the Bengals should change…it’s the constant attempts to make natural tackles into guards.
If there was one area I would change it’s the constant picking of shit OL and trying to make them good.
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21 hours ago, Le Tigre said:
Only appeared in a few episodes. Always called Fred/Barney “Dum-dums”. I seem to recall he appeared on the Jetsons too.
His voice was that of the great Harvey Korman.
I did not know Harvey Korman did the voice! That would be a prize winning trivia question in a pub quiz.
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28 minutes ago, AmishBengalFan said:
Reminds me of the time when Happy Days jumped the shark.
Yup, that is actually where the saying comes from! Fonzi in his leather jacket water ski jumping over the sharks
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6 minutes ago, spicoli said:
I have a feeling Latham is going to go well before we get on the clock.
The more QBs , WR’s and CB’s taken early the better
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1 hour ago, claptonrocks said:
This.
Mims is much different then Ketchup man Og.
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2 hours ago, Le Tigre said:
Perhaps a small observation, but Austin news says he was “booked into Travis County Jail at 2:12pm…”, but that he was “arrested overnight”.
That would make more sense. A person can be arrested for suspicion, but not charged/booked until later.
Yes, the news feeds now say the uincident occurred at 4:41 AM but he was charged at 2 pm
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What does this mean for his draft stock?
Despite an All-American 2023 season, Sweat entered the draft process with several questions to answer in NFL team interviews. According to a team source, he was up front with teams about his “partying” as an underclassman and made it a point of emphasis to teams that it was all in the past.
A DWI charge three weeks before draft weekend obviously won’t help give NFL teams confidence about his off-field decision-making and focus. Because of these concerns, Sweat is a very hard player to project in the NFL Draft. Based on feedback from teams, my best guess is he will still be available as we start day three of the NFL Draft in the fourth round. — Dane Brugler, national NFL writer
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1 hour ago, claptonrocks said:
Could be .
Hope the Bengals get him now.
Double team gap plugger to let Rankens and Hill tee off at 3T.
Isn't that the plan.?
Not the plan if the guy is lazy but yeah that would normally be the plan
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19 minutes ago, spicoli said:
It will hard for teams to imagine this is behind him when he is making millions per year. I am willing to bet he is now OFF many teams boards.
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59 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:
Question.
Can the Bengals contact him again or
Is that off limits now?
I am sure his agent will be in contact with teams to do damage control
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"Off the field, team sources say Sweat is a good kid overall, but has some issues with a poor work ethic and likes to party. Sweat is going to have to work much harder in the NFL and definitely will have to keep his weight in check."
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2 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:
What other issues are those? Just weight?
Seen the clips of him on the field. He doesn’t look like he takes plays off. Motor looks sound.
Like I said, he may not be everything and a bag of chips. Might be what is so desperately needed as an interior run stopper. Might not.
But to give some 22-year old college dumbass a “baggage” moniker after this, is a tad harsh.
Many sights have noted he had some questions about his dedication. The DUI situation is even worse given it happened at 2 in the afternoon. His character flags are well known in the draft pages, whether they are all true or not.
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13 hours ago, Le Tigre said:
If the guy is all that and a bag of chips, then a flub-up by a 22-year old college kid should not deter them from taking the chance to shore up arguably the weakest area of their defense.
“Character concerns” has always made me lol. If someone is pushing narcotics or trafficking children…then it’s a non-stater. A boozy (and who the heck knows what “drunk” is in Texas anyway) night out in Austin does not a Tony Montana make.
Bo Callahan had character concerns. These days, teams have to be very careful with prospects who have shown immaturity (for the record, at that age I was VERY immature, thankfully there were no cell phones in the day). Given the money awarded players they need to be fully committed to football and to the craft of thier position. Maybe Sweat is, maybe he is not. But even earlier in the year there were flags raised about his weight and 'party' habits. Problem is, he can come out and say he made a mistake and learned his lesson, blah, blah, blah. But he has no chance to provie it before the draft. It is literally an idiot move he made. As in dumbass. I say he will fall to at least round 3 and perhaps further. Could be wrong, one team could take an earlier gamble.
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5 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:
Mike and Duke see character flaws before the draft as "discounts" on talent.
They took Carman despite the rape allegation.
So why remove Sweat from your board for a DUI?
One was an allegattion, this one may be fact. If it turns out to be all true, I suspect he falls to the 5th round
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30 minutes ago, gupps said:
WE have 10 draft picks, if half are OL/DL I'd be ecstatic.
And not the last 5 lol
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My memory may be making this up, but it seems to me that this is the first year we have had this heavy a presence of OL/DL in our 30 prospect visits?
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1 hour ago, claptonrocks said:
Good call.
I'm all in on trading up for him where you
said..
I think his weight dropped from 360 to 345 which shows some commitment.
I am not sure he is fully committed to football via weight management. He may be another Andre Smith type. SOme teams may fiund him a bit too riky in round 2 whcih is why some sites have him more of a 3rd round guy. 1st round talent but you had better be very sure of his committment.
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As the 2024 NFL Draft class continues to take shape, it’s time again to take stock of which prospects are dominating the early-round conversation.
The Athletic’s consensus Big Board combines rankings from a wide range of draft experts to identify how the top prospects are viewed relative to the rest of their class. In theory, by the time we reach the draft weekend, these rankings should help give us a handle on how the picks could (or, at least, should) play out.
Let’s see how things have shifted since our March board.
2024 NFL Draft Consensus BoardPLAYER POS SCHOOL LAST CHANGE 1Caleb WilliamsQB212Marvin Harrison Jr.WR1-13Drake MayeQB304Malik NabersWR405Rome OdunzeWR506Brock BowersTE607Joe AltOT708Dallas TurnerEDGE809Jayden DanielsQB9010Jared VerseEDGE10011Olu FashanuOT11012JC LathamOT12013Terrion ArnoldCB13014Laiatu LatuEDGE16215Quinyon MitchellCB15016Taliese FuagaG/T14-217Troy FautanuOT17018Byron Murphy IIDT18019Amarius MimsOT19020Brian Thomas Jr.WR20021J.J. McCarthyQB21022Nate WigginsCB22023Jer'Zhan NewtonDT23024Cooper DeJeanCB25125Chop RobinsonEDGE26126Tyler GuytonOT24-227Kool-Aid McKinstryCB28128Graham BartonC/G27-129Adonai MitchellWR29030Jackson Powers-JohnsonC30031Ladd McConkeyWR31032Bo NixQB33133Darius RobinsonEDGE32-134Jordan MorganOT34035Ennis Rakestraw Jr.CB35036Troy FranklinWR36037Kamari LassiterCB37038Keon ColemanWR38039Edgerrin CooperLB39040Michael Penix Jr.QB45541Xavier WorthyWR40-142Payton WilsonLB41-143Braden FiskeDT42-144Roman WilsonWR46245Tyler NubinS43-246Zach FrazierC44-247T'Vondre SweatDT47048Junior ColsonLB50249Ricky PearsallWR49050Ja'Tavion SandersTE55551Chris BraswellEDGE48-352Jonathon BrooksRB51-153Kingsley SuamataiaOT53054Kris Jenkins Jr.DT52-255Javon BullardS54-156Malachi CorleyWR56057T.J. TampaCB57058Xavier LegetteWR58059Marshawn KneelandEDGE59060Bralen TriceEDGE61161Christian HaynesG62162Cooper BeebeG63163Ruke OrhorhoroDT69664Adisa IsaacEDGE60-465Mike SainristilCB67266Kiran AmegadjieOT65-167Patrick PaulOT66-168Jaden HicksS70269Ja'Lynn PolkWR71270Trey BensonRB851571Max MeltonCB74372Jermaine BurtonWR64-873Calen BullockS73074Devontez WalkerWR68-675Blake FisherOT81676Mike Hall Jr.DT78277Jonah EllissEDGE79278Jeremiah Trotter Jr.LB72-679Blake CorumRB75-480Jaylen WrightRB80081Jalen McMillanWR82182Brandon DorlusDT77-583Maason SmithDT87484Kamren KinchensS76-885Austin BookerEDGE83-286Cole BishopS88287Dominick PuniG/T86-188Javon BakerWR84-489Andru PhillipsCB90190Cade StoverTE89-191Kris Abrams-DraineCB91092Renardo GreenCB94293D.J. JamesCB92-194Cedric GrayLB95195Sedrick Van Pran-GrangerC96196Dadrion Taylor-DemersonSNRNR97Braelon AllenRB99298Cam HartCB98099Khyree JacksonCBNRNR100Spencer RattlerQB1000A few thoughts on the updated board from draft analyst Nick Baumgardner:
1. How high can Jackson Powers-Johnson climb?
Oregon center Jackson Powers-Johnson holds steady at No. 30 on the consensus board, which means most everyone agrees he’s at least first-round worthy. But, given that there are a few teams in Round 1 in need of a center, the big question with him is: How early will he hear his name called?
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Since 2000, only nine centers have been drafted before pick 25, the last three being Cesar Ruiz (No. 24, New Orleans in 2020), Garrett Bradbury (No. 18, Minnesota in 2019) and Frank Ragnow (No. 18, Detroit in 2018). The Saints just extended Ruiz, Bradbury has 71 career starts and Ragnow is an All-Pro, so it’d be hard to argue against the value of those selections. Baltimore also picked Tyler Linderbaum at No. 25 in 2022, and he’s already a Pro Bowler. Center may not be a popular pick with fans, but it can absolutely be worth it if the player’s good enough.
The tricky thing with Powers-Johnson is his lack of experience. He started one year at center in college and won a Rimington Trophy, and he looked outstanding at the Senior Bowl, to a point where I’m not sure he lost a single one-on-one rep. But the samples aren’t large.
I do think he’ll go higher than No. 30, though. Keep an eye on Pittsburgh, which needs a center and holds pick 20. It only takes one team.
2. Trey Benson on the rise
The highest riser in this installment was Florida State running back Trey Benson (up 15 spots to No. 70), perhaps earning some residuals from his combine performance early last month. Benson, at 216 pounds, ran a 4.39-second 40-yard dash (with a 1.52 10-yard split). He also posted a 33 1/2-inch vertical jump and a broad jump of 10 feet, 2 inches.
There’s nothing super surprising about any of that, as Benson’s athleticism at his size has always stood out on tape. But it does bring up the question of how things will unfold for this running back class come draft weekend.
The best of the bunch, Texas’ Jonathon Brooks, is coming off an injury and doesn’t have a deep tape resume. And there are questions with every back in the class — Benson’s a great athlete, but teams might have concerns with his vision as a ball carrier; Bucky Irvin is incredibly elusive, but he’s very small. We could go down the list.
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Same time, Benson, Brooks, Irving, Blake Corum, Braelon Allen and Jaylen Wright all could enter a backfield and make an impact next year. Don’t be shocked if we see a RB run on Day 2.
3. Kamren Kinchens slides
Miami safety Kamren Kinchens turned in a disappointing 4.65 40 at the combine in March. He did improve on that time with a reported 4.57 during Miami’s pro day later in the month, but he dropped eight spots on the consensus board anyway.
Though his 40 time isn’t irrelevant, it’s also important to point out that Kinchens’ efficiency as a coverage defender on tape is more impressive than his testing. He showed really good ball skills and range as a deep rover for the Hurricanes and was never afraid to go after the big play (or hit). In November, Kinchens became the first Miami player to record 10 career interceptions since the late great Sean Taylor (Kinchens finished with 11). Elite company there.
No one expected Kinchens to burn up the track with his 40 time, and he’s got the ball skills and physical confidence to play either safety spot. This is one where you trust the tape (and your defensive backs coach). If Kinchens can eliminate some of the riskier stuff from his game, he has what he needs to be a really good player in the NFL.
4. Too high, too low …
Two guys I think are ranked too high on this board: Dallas Turner (No. 😎 and Michael Penix Jr. (No. 40). I like Turner as the top edge in this class, but not as the top defender overall (his Alabama teammate, cornerback Terrion Arnold, gets my vote there). As for Penix, I just can’t get there on him as a top-50 prospect this year, even with the impressive 4.46 40 he reportedly put up.
Two guys I think are ranked too low: Powers-Johnson (see above) and Florida State wide receiver Keon Coleman (see last month’s consensus board write-up).
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