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2 hours ago, BlackJesus said:
Except the 2nd rounder is in 2025 so that loses a round via time. And the Bills give a pick back so really the compensation wa quite light.
The Bills cap hit was HIGHER by trading him than playing him, so they really wanted him gone.
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1 hour ago, claptonrocks said:
Good call.
I'm all in on trading up for him where you
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I think his weight dropped from 360 to 345 which shows some commitment.
I am not sure he is fully committed to football via weight management. He may be another Andre Smith type. SOme teams may fiund him a bit too riky in round 2 whcih is why some sites have him more of a 3rd round guy. 1st round talent but you had better be very sure of his committment.
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As the 2024 NFL Draft class continues to take shape, it’s time again to take stock of which prospects are dominating the early-round conversation.
The Athletic’s consensus Big Board combines rankings from a wide range of draft experts to identify how the top prospects are viewed relative to the rest of their class. In theory, by the time we reach the draft weekend, these rankings should help give us a handle on how the picks could (or, at least, should) play out.
Let’s see how things have shifted since our March board.
2024 NFL Draft Consensus BoardPLAYER POS SCHOOL LAST CHANGE 1Caleb WilliamsQB212Marvin Harrison Jr.WR1-13Drake MayeQB304Malik NabersWR405Rome OdunzeWR506Brock BowersTE607Joe AltOT708Dallas TurnerEDGE809Jayden DanielsQB9010Jared VerseEDGE10011Olu FashanuOT11012JC LathamOT12013Terrion ArnoldCB13014Laiatu LatuEDGE16215Quinyon MitchellCB15016Taliese FuagaG/T14-217Troy FautanuOT17018Byron Murphy IIDT18019Amarius MimsOT19020Brian Thomas Jr.WR20021J.J. McCarthyQB21022Nate WigginsCB22023Jer'Zhan NewtonDT23024Cooper DeJeanCB25125Chop RobinsonEDGE26126Tyler GuytonOT24-227Kool-Aid McKinstryCB28128Graham BartonC/G27-129Adonai MitchellWR29030Jackson Powers-JohnsonC30031Ladd McConkeyWR31032Bo NixQB33133Darius RobinsonEDGE32-134Jordan MorganOT34035Ennis Rakestraw Jr.CB35036Troy FranklinWR36037Kamari LassiterCB37038Keon ColemanWR38039Edgerrin CooperLB39040Michael Penix Jr.QB45541Xavier WorthyWR40-142Payton WilsonLB41-143Braden FiskeDT42-144Roman WilsonWR46245Tyler NubinS43-246Zach FrazierC44-247T'Vondre SweatDT47048Junior ColsonLB50249Ricky PearsallWR49050Ja'Tavion SandersTE55551Chris BraswellEDGE48-352Jonathon BrooksRB51-153Kingsley SuamataiaOT53054Kris Jenkins Jr.DT52-255Javon BullardS54-156Malachi CorleyWR56057T.J. TampaCB57058Xavier LegetteWR58059Marshawn KneelandEDGE59060Bralen TriceEDGE61161Christian HaynesG62162Cooper BeebeG63163Ruke OrhorhoroDT69664Adisa IsaacEDGE60-465Mike SainristilCB67266Kiran AmegadjieOT65-167Patrick PaulOT66-168Jaden HicksS70269Ja'Lynn PolkWR71270Trey BensonRB851571Max MeltonCB74372Jermaine BurtonWR64-873Calen BullockS73074Devontez WalkerWR68-675Blake FisherOT81676Mike Hall Jr.DT78277Jonah EllissEDGE79278Jeremiah Trotter Jr.LB72-679Blake CorumRB75-480Jaylen WrightRB80081Jalen McMillanWR82182Brandon DorlusDT77-583Maason SmithDT87484Kamren KinchensS76-885Austin BookerEDGE83-286Cole BishopS88287Dominick PuniG/T86-188Javon BakerWR84-489Andru PhillipsCB90190Cade StoverTE89-191Kris Abrams-DraineCB91092Renardo GreenCB94293D.J. JamesCB92-194Cedric GrayLB95195Sedrick Van Pran-GrangerC96196Dadrion Taylor-DemersonSNRNR97Braelon AllenRB99298Cam HartCB98099Khyree JacksonCBNRNR100Spencer RattlerQB1000A few thoughts on the updated board from draft analyst Nick Baumgardner:
1. How high can Jackson Powers-Johnson climb?
Oregon center Jackson Powers-Johnson holds steady at No. 30 on the consensus board, which means most everyone agrees he’s at least first-round worthy. But, given that there are a few teams in Round 1 in need of a center, the big question with him is: How early will he hear his name called?
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Since 2000, only nine centers have been drafted before pick 25, the last three being Cesar Ruiz (No. 24, New Orleans in 2020), Garrett Bradbury (No. 18, Minnesota in 2019) and Frank Ragnow (No. 18, Detroit in 2018). The Saints just extended Ruiz, Bradbury has 71 career starts and Ragnow is an All-Pro, so it’d be hard to argue against the value of those selections. Baltimore also picked Tyler Linderbaum at No. 25 in 2022, and he’s already a Pro Bowler. Center may not be a popular pick with fans, but it can absolutely be worth it if the player’s good enough.
The tricky thing with Powers-Johnson is his lack of experience. He started one year at center in college and won a Rimington Trophy, and he looked outstanding at the Senior Bowl, to a point where I’m not sure he lost a single one-on-one rep. But the samples aren’t large.
I do think he’ll go higher than No. 30, though. Keep an eye on Pittsburgh, which needs a center and holds pick 20. It only takes one team.
2. Trey Benson on the rise
The highest riser in this installment was Florida State running back Trey Benson (up 15 spots to No. 70), perhaps earning some residuals from his combine performance early last month. Benson, at 216 pounds, ran a 4.39-second 40-yard dash (with a 1.52 10-yard split). He also posted a 33 1/2-inch vertical jump and a broad jump of 10 feet, 2 inches.
There’s nothing super surprising about any of that, as Benson’s athleticism at his size has always stood out on tape. But it does bring up the question of how things will unfold for this running back class come draft weekend.
The best of the bunch, Texas’ Jonathon Brooks, is coming off an injury and doesn’t have a deep tape resume. And there are questions with every back in the class — Benson’s a great athlete, but teams might have concerns with his vision as a ball carrier; Bucky Irvin is incredibly elusive, but he’s very small. We could go down the list.
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Same time, Benson, Brooks, Irving, Blake Corum, Braelon Allen and Jaylen Wright all could enter a backfield and make an impact next year. Don’t be shocked if we see a RB run on Day 2.
3. Kamren Kinchens slides
Miami safety Kamren Kinchens turned in a disappointing 4.65 40 at the combine in March. He did improve on that time with a reported 4.57 during Miami’s pro day later in the month, but he dropped eight spots on the consensus board anyway.
Though his 40 time isn’t irrelevant, it’s also important to point out that Kinchens’ efficiency as a coverage defender on tape is more impressive than his testing. He showed really good ball skills and range as a deep rover for the Hurricanes and was never afraid to go after the big play (or hit). In November, Kinchens became the first Miami player to record 10 career interceptions since the late great Sean Taylor (Kinchens finished with 11). Elite company there.
No one expected Kinchens to burn up the track with his 40 time, and he’s got the ball skills and physical confidence to play either safety spot. This is one where you trust the tape (and your defensive backs coach). If Kinchens can eliminate some of the riskier stuff from his game, he has what he needs to be a really good player in the NFL.
4. Too high, too low …
Two guys I think are ranked too high on this board: Dallas Turner (No. 😎 and Michael Penix Jr. (No. 40). I like Turner as the top edge in this class, but not as the top defender overall (his Alabama teammate, cornerback Terrion Arnold, gets my vote there). As for Penix, I just can’t get there on him as a top-50 prospect this year, even with the impressive 4.46 40 he reportedly put up.
Two guys I think are ranked too low: Powers-Johnson (see above) and Florida State wide receiver Keon Coleman (see last month’s consensus board write-up).
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Just now, JC said:
Woah
Diggs has worn out his welcome in 2 places now.....
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8 hours ago, spicoli said:
Which site is this from?
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4 hours ago, sparky151 said:
How the hell did Volson get more than Purdy? The latter was drafted later and was an MVP finalist.
Volson got a bonus for being the most vilified on a team’s fan forum site.
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26 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:
Does it matter what a DL or OlL runs the forty in?
I could see 10 yrd or shuttle..
Well, if you dont play the run well as a DL you may have to turn around and run 40 yards to catch the RB.
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9 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:
LB from UTEP
Well, at least he is not a LB from Mars….
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4 hours ago, Griever said:
What school and position is this dude?
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7 hours ago, Jamie_B said:
Meant to do this yesterday but was super busy.
At the senior bowl Walker needed to show he did not drop easy catches..and he did not. Sounds like he has stone hands to use the hockey term.
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11 hours ago, SF2 said:
Any offensive lineman chosen in the 4th round or later is nothing more than a project. Few become starters. And offensive linemen who are FAs are usually old, not good or have baggage. Most teams will do almost anything to keep a good offensive lineman.
Not defending Pollack, just saying this team has been woefully negligent in making lineman a priority in the draft recently. It may be the after effect of having drafted Ogbuehi, Billy Price and Jake Fisher high in the draft.
This team has always seems to feel that for LT and RT you need a high pick but the IOL can be 'picked up anywhere', not true of course, but they have never valued the IOL so they rarely drfated for value at these spots. Given we have zero depth of any value and the starting 5 are either older or young and quaestionable, I want to see 2 picks in the top 4 plus another later dedicated to the spot.
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2 hours ago, BlackJesus said:
The Bears sent everyone to the Michigan pro day likely because they fear JJ McCarthy will be a better QB than Caleb, (which I predict he will be).
Their problem though is that if they take Harrison #1, JJ is likely gone by #9 when they pick again.
If Caleb fails there will be mass suicides in Chicago....have to say, I watched a few USC games this year just becuse he was the suppossed #1 pick and I thought 'meh' a lot, but what do i know,
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1 hour ago, snarkster said:
I'm hoping either Fuaga or Latham are there at 18. If not, one of the 3Techs may well be there. There also may be a couple of surprise CB's &/or WR's sitting there. I'm seeing Bowers there at times too. I jump on him if the top RT's are all gone.
Round Two. I really like Sweat as one of the few NT's in the draft. Many have 49 as too soon for him, but I don't see him being there at 80. I'd go ahead and pull the trigger.
As far as round three? I could see a double dip at OL (IOL) or DT (3Tech). I'd consider either Jackson-Powers-Johnson or Kris Jenkins if still available at 80 then start going BPA (with some regard for need if it's close). I could see one of a trio of Longhorns (TE Ja'Tavion Sanders, WR Adonai Mitchell or RB Jonathan Brooks) at 97.
JPJ will absolutely not be there at 80 let alone 49. He is the highest ranked center and well above #2 (much like Bowers is seens as well above the other TE's). The next center Zach Frazier, however, may be there.
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Did not even know that useless USA Today rag still existed
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The NFLPA came out opposed to a penalty for this type of tackle .
i think the NFL, if it were flag football, would somehow make the flag removal subjective.
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If we drafted Murphy in the 1st and then Myles Murphy later in the draft, combine him with the Murphy we have..
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1 hour ago, Griever said:
Cue the ketchup bottle jokes….
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8 minutes ago, Cricket said:
They are doing a mock draft on NFL Network (Have Bengals selecting JC Latham).
For the Dolphins at 21 they have them selecting Graham Barton…as a center (has been playing LT at Duke) and said that he can play ANY position on the offensive line. I wonder now that we have signed Trent Brown at RT if Barton’s versatility might make him more attractive to the Bengals.
Thoughts?
Possible, Barton and Fautanu are seen as the high level guys who can essentially play all spots on the OL. One wonders though if you pick a guy like that at 18 or go more for a specific position elite talent. Could trade down a few spots and pick Barton as well.
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29 minutes ago, PatternMaster said:
Any thoughts on the kid from BYU that is related to Penei Sewell...Kingsley Abunchofvowels...or something like that.
These Nigerian and Polynesian players' last names have got me like...
I will just pipe in and say several sites have noted that given his athletic absolute he does not seem to have a full drive for football. The vowel guy from Yale does however.
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55 minutes ago, Griever said:
Coach Pitcher speaks to exactly what the team has NOT done over the last 3 years.
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2 hours ago, Griever said:
He also has the Raiders taking QB Penix at #13, this will make Raiders fans feel like Mayock is still thier GM.
And he has quite the OL run in the middle of round 1.
Draftable players the Bengals have met with
in THE BENGALS FORUM - For Bengals Fans *Only*
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My memory may be making this up, but it seems to me that this is the first year we have had this heavy a presence of OL/DL in our 30 prospect visits?