Guest BlackJesus Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 [quote name='steggyD' post='292239' date='Jul 11 2006, 12:55 AM']Sorry I can't put tons of pictures up that just capture the eyes of the many who visit this forum, thus becoming the legend himself, BJ, who never really writes much, himself.[/quote] [b][img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/39.gif[/img] So who should point out to him that there isn't one picture in this thread .... nah ... we'll let it slide [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 [quote name='steggyD' post='292239' date='Jul 11 2006, 12:55 AM']Did you all know that back into the 1880's, Jews were ridding Palestine of the swamps and malaria? Yeah, they made the land hospitable again, trying to resurrect the land. The Ottomans allowed Jews to settle this Palestine area because they viewed it as unfit land.[/quote] [color="#006600"][b]I'm curious where you got this idea .... care to share ? [/color] also who would've thunk that the Islamic Ottomans would just toss aside Jerusalem and the Holy - Tomb of the Rock to the Jews ... and who knew that Jerusalem was really a swamp ? Damn I learn new stuff everyday. [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steggyD Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 [quote]It is solitude, for birds and squirrels on the shore and fishes in the water are all the creatures that are near to make it otherwise, but it is not the sort of solitude to make one dreary. Come to Galilee for that. If these unpeopled deserts, these rusty mounds of barrenness, that never, never, never do shake the glare from their harsh outlines, and fade and faint into vague perspective; that melancholy ruin of Capernaum; this stupid village of Tiberias, slumbering under its six funereal plumes of palms; yonder desolate declivity where the swine of the miracle ran down into the sea, and doubtless thought it was better to swallow a devil or two and get drowned into the bargain than have to live longer in such a place; this cloudless, blistering sky; this solemn, sailless, tintless lake, reposing within its rim of yellow hills and low, steep banks, and looking just as expressionless and unpoetical (when we leave its sublime history out of the question,) as any metropolitan reservoir in Christendom -- if these things are not food for rock me to sleep, mother, none exist, I think.[/quote] (Twain, Mark, The Innocents Abroad; or, The New Pilgrims' Progress, 1869.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 [quote name='steggyD' post='292239' date='Jul 11 2006, 12:55 AM']Of course, we all know that the Palestinian Jews declared their own nation of Israel in 1948, and the day after, 7 Arab nations attacked them.[/quote] [b]I think you are [color="#663366"][u]forgeting a very important factor[/u] [/color] ... mainly the first bombing conducted by Israeli Zionists (Irgun) against the [size=3]King David Hotel[/size] and the British embassy in 1946. [/b] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing[/url] [b]Note as well that the "terrorist" leaders of Irgun who carried out the attacks - Both Ben Gurion and Menachem Begin - would later become Prime Minister of Israel. Kind of Ironic when you consider the position against Hamas currently and how Al Qaeda supposedly blew up the US embassies in Africa and thus are labeled "Terrorists" [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/23.gif[/img] . [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/23.gif[/img] [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nati Ice Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='292248' date='Jul 11 2006, 01:13 AM'][b]I think you are [color="#663366"][u]forgeting a very important factor[/u] [/color] ... mainly the first bombing conducted by Israeli Zionists (Irgun) against the [size=3]King David Hotel[/size] and the British embassy in 1946. [/b] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing[/url] [b]Note as well that the "terrorist" leaders of Irgun who carried out the attacks - Both Ben Gurion and Menachem Begin - would later become Prime Minister of Israel. Kind of Ironic when you consider the position against Hamas currently and how Al Qaeda supposedly blew up the US embassies in Africa and thus are labeled "Terrorists" [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/23.gif[/img] . [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/23.gif[/img] [/b][/quote]thats fucking moronic, thats akin to condemning all christians for acts of fred phelps & co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steggyD Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Yes, the damn Jews retaliated, in 1946, after the Palestinian Arabs turned on them... and for what? Making the land inhabitable again. Thank you Jews, for making us realize that we can live here, now begone with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 [quote name='steggyD' post='292247' date='Jul 11 2006, 01:11 AM'](Twain, Mark, The Innocents Abroad; or, The New Pilgrims' Progress, 1869.)[/quote] [b]umm I'm sorry ... I read that 5 times ... and I fail to see how he is describing a swampland that somehow the Ottomans gave to the Jews .... [/b] [b]Also it is interesting that you bring up Mark Twain ... because while he was Commenting at the first World Zionist Congress in Basel, in 1897, Twain noted that Theodor Herzl had enunciated a plan to "gather the Jews of the world together in Palestine, with a government of their own – under the suzerainty of the Sultan. He then said: [i]"I am not the Sultan, and I am not objecting; but if that concentration of the cunningest brains in the world are going to be made into a free country (bar Scotland), I think it would be politic to stop it. It will not be well to let that race find out its strength. If the horses knew theirs, we should not ride anymore."[/i] keep in mind Mark Twain had sort of an obsession with Jews and thought them to be the most brilliant people on earth who never used their hands and always used their brains.[/b] [url="http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/twain.html"]http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc...rael/twain.html[/url] [color="#663366"][b]but that is really off topic to your statements regarding how you believe Israel came about .... [/b] [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 [quote name='Nati Ice' post='292250' date='Jul 11 2006, 01:23 AM']thats fucking moronic, thats akin to condemning all christians for acts of fred phelps & co.[/quote] [b]You dumbfound me .... what the fuck are you talking about .... I showed you how Irgun was no different than how we see Al Qaeda today .... they blew up the British embassy as a means to get the British out of Palestine .... Al Qaeda supposedly blew up the US embassies in Africa to get the US out of Saudi Arabia .... (and keep in mind these guys became Prime minister of Israel ... this would be like Afghanistan electing Osama). Hell take it one further .... Israel attacked the USS liberty in 1967 .... And Al Qaeda supposedly attacked the USS cole in the 1990's .... We are talking about the 2 groups ... and you said that the Jews just jumped up and claimed Israel in 1948 ... but that is not true .... they carried out Terror attacks to scare off the British first .... and began attacking Palestinian civilians before then in an effort to run them out .... [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 [color="#333300"][b]Also Steggy .... I think you are overlooking the fact that Zionists at first were ready to form the Jewish state in several areas .... they looked at Russia and for a while contemplated using the central African Nation of Uganda (the Uganda Program between 1903-1905) as the place for the Jewish state. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/23.gif[/img] Hell the Zionists also contemplated settling and forming the new Jewish state in [color="#CC0000"]Texas[/color] (called the Galveston scheme). This project received the assistance of Jacob Schiff, the American Jewish banker, and some 9,300 Jews arrived in Texas between 1907-1914. Notice .... it wasn't as if the Zionists were reclaiming old land they had a biblical connection too .... they were ready to take over any area they could. And thus they later choose Palestine. [/b] [/color] [url="http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/Uganda.html"]http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc...ism/Uganda.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 [quote name='Abu-Zayd' post='292226' date='Jul 10 2006, 10:26 PM']and and [b]Hey Steg-- and Bunghole-- hey why do these wonderful rebuttals lack any points-counterpoints to corroborate your claims regarding the subject matter introduced as part of this topic?[/b][/quote] Because posting links to any websites that support my position would be as fruitless as BJ posting lnks to his....it isn't going to change anyone's mind or stance. What, I am not allowed to voice my view on matters without posting links to validate it? I read material from both sides of the aisle, friend, and form my opinions that way. <<sigh>> Again, I reiterate that I am only pro-Israel in the sense that they have a right to exist and defend themselves, just the same as Palestine or any other nation for that matter. I am arguing against this so-called Zionist conspiracy (a conspiracy that apparently never gets old as it has been argued for years and years) that "infilitrates" the government of the USA. I also am arguing AGAINST the violence perpetrated by both sides. BJ is presenting only ONE side of the issue, and that is of the plight of the Palestinians, as if they share no blame in this matter, but they CERTAINLY DO. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steggyD Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 I'm sure both sides are guilty. And I agree with Bung. Yes, there is a problem in the Middle East between the Jews and the Muslims. But that doesn't mean that everything I see on the television or anywhere else is part of the Zionist propaganda machine, as BJ seems to want us to believe. They are just one of many lobbying groups of people in this world. If they appear to have a strong influence, well, it's as they say, money talks, and we all kow the ol' jokes about Jews and their money. I can't go back in time and see who threw the first punch, but as I pointed out in my post back there, the Jews did come in and settle in a very peaceful manner. They bought the land that they settled on, they did not come in throwing punches to take it. I was just showing that this whole pre-conceived notion that the Jews came in suddenly at the end of WWII and tried to take the land from the Palestinians is just plain bullshit. But of course, like Bung also said, I can't change the minds of those who have already sided with the Palestinians. Some people will side with the underdogs, and not realize their involvement in the situation isn't so nice and dandy either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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