7 Arrested In Miami Face Al-Qaida-Related Charges

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[b]7 Arrested In Miami Face Al-Qaida-Related Charges[/b]

[b]FBI Conducts Terrorism-Related Investigation In Liberty City[/b]

POSTED: 5:55 pm EDT June 22, 2006

UPDATED: 9:50 am EDT June 23, 2006




LIBERTY CITY, Fla. -- A group of young men seized in a Miami warehouse have been charged in a federal indictment with conspiring with al-Qaida to "levy war against the United States" by committing acts of violence including blowing up Chicago's Sears Tower.

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The seven individuals indicted by a federal grand jury were taken into custody Thursday when authorities swarmed the warehouse in the Liberty City area, removing a metal door with a blow torch. The indictment also alleges plans to blow a federal building in Miami in conjunction with the al-Qaida terrorist network.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and other top-level Bush administration officials scheduled a news conference for later Friday and a similar briefing was in Miami. The seven were expected to appear in court later Friday.


[b]According to the indictment handed up Thursday, a young man identified as Narseal Batiste, beginning in November 2005, recruited and trained the others "for a mission to wage war against the United States government," including a plot to destroy the Sears Tower[/b].

[b]To obtain money and support for their mission, the conspirators sought help from al-Qaida, pledged an oath to the terrorist organization and supported an al-Qaida plot to destroy FBI buildings, the four-count indictment charged[/b].

Batiste met several times in December 2005 with a person purporting to be an al-Qaida member and asked for boots, uniforms, machine guns, radios, vehicles and $50,000 in cash to help him build an "'Islamic Army' to wage jihad'," the indictment said. It said that Batiste said he would use his "soldiers" to destroy the Sears Tower.

In February 2006, it said, Batiste told the "al-Qaida representative" that he and his five soldiers wanted to attend al-Qaida training and planned a "full ground war" against the United States in order to "kill all the devils we can." His mission would "be just as good or greater than 9/11," the indictment accused Batiste of boasting.

The seven defendants were charged with conspiring to "maliciously damage and destroy by means of an explosive" the FBI building in North Miami Beach and the Sears Tower in Chicago.

They were are also charged with conspiring "to levy war against the government of the United States, and to oppose by force the authority thereof."

Residents living near the warehouse said the men taken into custody described themselves as Muslims and had tried to recruit young people to join their group. Tashawn Rose, 29, said they tried to recruit her younger brother and nephew for a karate class.

She said she talked to one of the men about a month ago. "They seemed brainwashed," she said. "They said they had given their lives to Allah."

Residents said FBI agents spent several hours in the neighborhood showing photos of the suspects and seeking information. They said the men had lived in the area for about a year.

Benjamin Williams, 17, said the group sometimes had young children with them. At times, he added, the men "would cover their faces. Sometimes they would wear things on their heads, like turbans."

Managers of the Sears Tower, the nation's tallest building, said in a statement they speak regularly with the FBI and local law enforcement about terror threats and that Thursday "was no exception."

Security at the 110-floor Sears Tower, a Chicago landmark, was ramped up after the Sept. 11 attacks, and the 103rd-floor skydeck was closed for about a month and a half.

"Law enforcement continues to tell us that they have never found evidence of a credible terrorism threat against Sears Tower that has gone beyond criminal discussions," the statement said.

In Chicago early Friday, people headed to work in the Sears Tower knew about the potential threat but didn't plan to change their routines.

In addition to Batiste and Augustin the defendants were identified as Patrick Abraham, or "Brother Pat"; Stanley Grant Phanor, or "Brother Sunni"; Naudimar Herrera or "Brother Naudy"; Lyglenson Lemorin, also known as "Brother Levi" or Brother Levi-El"; and Rotschild Augustine, or "Brother Rot."

The indictment described the alleged scheme this way:

At a meeting on March 16 at a warehouse in the Miami area, the seven defendants discussed a plot to bomb FBI buildings in five cities, it said, adding that each swore an oath of loyalty to al-Qaida there with the purported al-Qaida representative.

The person they believed to be an al-Qaida representative gave Batiste a digital video camera, which Batiste said he would use to record pictures of the North Miami Beach FBI building, the indictment said. At a March 26 meeting, it went on, Batiste and Burson Augustin provided the "al-Qaida representative" with photographs of the FBI building, as well as video footage of other Miami government buildings, and discussed the plot to bomb the FBI building.

But on May 24, the indictment said, Batiste told the "al-Qaida representative" that he was experiencing delays "because of various problems within his organization." Batiste said he wanted to continue his mission and his relationship with al-Qaida nonetheless, the document said.

[url="http://www.nbc6.net/news/9413480/detail.html"]http://www.nbc6.net/news/9413480/detail.html[/url]

[Homer_Rice]

Seems like an agent provocateur has reeled in a few nutfish. Let's see how this develops as more info comes out.

[Guest BlackJesus]

[color="#000066"][b] This was seen from a mile away ...... NOTE THIS ARTICLE FROM 2 YEARS AGO by the Wall Street Journal !!! Where Zionist - Larry Silversteins group (the guy who bought the WTC weeks before the attack and made Billions from the attack off the insurance) also purchased the SEARS TOWER !!!! you couldn't make this shit up


[size=3]Wake up America !!![/size] [/b] [/color]





[size=3][u][quote]MetLife Will Sell Sears Tower
By Dean Starkman
The Wall Street Journal
March 12, 2004[/u][/size]


Two investors who are part of [b]Larry Silverstein's group[/b] that [b]owns the World Trade Center[/b] lease are [b]among the buyers of the Sears Tower[/b], which MetLife Inc. agreed to sell Thursday for more than $800 million, according to people familiar with the situation.

Lloyd Goldman and Joseph Cayre, New York investors who are among [b]Mr. Silverstein's backers[/b] in the Trade Center, are part of a group that agreed to buy the Chicago landmark, these people said. Another New York investor, Jeffrey Feil, was also a participant in the Sears Tower deal, the people said. Names of the other investors couldn't be learned.

MetLife announced the agreement Thursday, but declined to disclose the buyer or the terms, citing a confidentiality agreement. While the insurance company, based in New York, had previously announced its intention to sell the tower, the speed of the deal and the relatively high price caught the real-estate industry off-guard.

MetLife said it would realize an after-tax gain of $90 million on the deal.

Messrs. Goldman and Carye couldn't be reached. Attempts to reach Mr. Feil were unsuccessful. The names of the three investors were reported Thursday on the Slatin Report, a Web newsletter.

Mr. Goldman led a group including Mr. Cayre that put up most of the $125 million of the equity that [b]Mr. Silverstein[/b], a New York developer, [b]used to buy the 99-year office lease on the Trade Center[/b] office portion from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. [b]The deal, valued at $3.2 billion, including the Trade Center's retail mall, closed in July 2001, weeks before the September terror attacks that destroyed the complex.[/b]

Last month, The Wall Street Journal reported that the Port Authority in December had quietly agreed to return all of the $125 million in equity that Mr. Silverstein and his low-profile group originally invested to buy the leases. The full details of that transaction haven't been released to the public. But the deal effectively eliminated the Silverstein group's capital risk in the project, while allowing the group to retain control of 10 million square feet of office space. The Port Authority has rejected a Wall Street Journal request to review the transaction, citing Mr. Silverstein's ongoing lawsuit against his insurers, led by Swiss Reinsurance Co., over how many claims may be collected as a result of the attacks.[/quote]



[url="http://www.realestatejournal.com/propertyreport/newsandtrends/20040312-starkman.html"]http://www.realestatejournal.com/propertyr...2-starkman.html[/url]

[Guest BlackJesus]

[color="#CC0000"][b]This article was removed from the Chicago Sun Times archives but fortunately was saved by many from the 9/11 truth movement... and I wonder why ... [/b] [/color] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/39.gif[/img]



[size=3][u][quote]Sears Tower Purchased by same people who bought WTC
Contributing: Eric Herman[/u][/size]

Sears Tower is being sold, and the deal represents votes of confidence both in the Chicago real estate market and the nation's war on terrorism.

MetLife Inc., owner of the 110-story tower in the West Loop, disclosed the sale Thursday. MetLife wouldn't reveal the buyers, but a source close to the sale said they are New York investors who held the lease on the World Trade Center.

The buyers, the source said, are Lloyd Goldman, Joseph Cayre and Jeffrey Feil. The same men also were named as the buyers by the Slatin Report, a Web site covering New York real estate. All are prominent but secretive Manhattan landlords.

Goldman and Cayre joined with Larry Silverstein in buying the trade center lease for $3.2 billion months before the twin towers were destroyed in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Silverstein is embroiled in lawsuits over a $7.1 billion insurance payout for his ownership group. A spokesman said Silverstein is not involved in the Sears Tower deal.

MetLife did not report the sales price, saying only that the deal gives it a $90 million after-tax gain. The giant insurer held a $760 million mortgage on the property, so the sales price could exceed $850 million.

But some experts said the price could be less, especially if MetLife has reduced the value of the building on its books.

Many Chicago brokers were astonished by the swiftness of the sale, which occurred without MetLife taking competing bids. Brokers said the Sears Tower "offer book' hit the streets only a couple of weeks ago.

"Somebody came in with a pre-emptive bid. It must have swept them off their feet,' one said.

Appraisals of Sears Tower have fluctuated wildly since the terrorist attacks suggested the building, the tallest in the United States, could be a future target. Before Sept. 11, 2001, an appraisal listed its value at $911 million, but that was reduced to $826 million last year.

Goldman Sachs & Co. is a leading tenant in Sears Tower, with a lease until 2011, but it plans to move to another building. That was the tower's biggest loss after the Sept. 11 attacks.

A spokesman for Chicago-based Trizec Properties Inc., manager and leasing agent for the building, said other tenants have renewed their space and new ones have signed on, giving it a healthy and stable occupancy of 89 percent. Rents, however, are cheaper in the building, and that factored into its lowered valuation.

"It's still one of the best buildings in Chicago. It just has bad karma,' said Drew Neiman, principal of the John Buck Co. and a former leasing agent for the building. He said he expects its value and rents will rise as the nation's fear of terrorism subsides.

But developer Steven Fifield said Sears Tower still will need aggressive marketing campaigns because it is no longer attractive to large tenants. "If you look at the Empire State Building, it's all small tenants, and that may be the way Sears has to go,' Fifield said.

Trizec said it doesn't know if the new owners will retain its services.

Trizec previously was the property's controlling owner through a second mortgage. MetLife bought that interest for $9 million last August to avoid a default.

MetLife said the sale should close by the end of June. The transaction ends the insurer's financial involvement with the building after 14 years.

In late 2002, MetLife struck a deal in Chicago with Goldman, Feil and others, selling them a 37-story building at 10 S. La Salle for $120 million.

Sears, Roebuck & Co. moved out of its signature home in 1993 when it relocated to Hoffman Estates.[/quote]

[url="http://orwinz.com/searswtc.htm"]http://orwinz.com/searswtc.htm[/url]



[b]was originally here .... [/b]

[url="http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-fin-tower12.html"]http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-fin-tower12.html[/url]

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='Homer_Rice' post='286148' date='Jun 23 2006, 11:37 AM']Seems like an agent provocateur has reeled in a few nutfish. Let's see how this develops as more info comes out.[/quote]

[b]Yeah Homer ... what is sad is that these 'cells' almost always have an infiltrator/agent provocateur, who suggests these ideas and then convinces them to take on the plan .... and then they only catch the "patsies."


man this is a sick world I live in [/b]

[Guest BlackJesus]

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[color="#006600"][b][size=3][center]Oh yeah ... and btw .... Larry Silverstein was also the one who said [color="#000000"][size=5]"pull it"[/size][/color] right before WTC Bldg 7 collapsed over 7 hours after the planes hit .....[/size][/b]


[color="#663366"]Spend 10 seconds and listen to this ----->[/color] [url="http://thewebfairy.com/911/pullit/"]Link[/url]


[img]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif[/img][/center][/color]




[i]ps - if I dissapear or have a curious car accident in the next few days .... carry on the message [/i]

[Guest BlackJesus]

[center][url="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/cutter.html"]Link[/url][/center]

[Guest BlackJesus]

[center][img]http://www.gothamist.com/images/2003_10_silversteinl.jpg[/img][/center]


[b]Oh even better .... a full 1 minute video showing how Larry Silverstein (the guy who owned the WTC and who's group bought the Sears Tower) told them to demolish WTC Bldg 7 ..... (notice in the first 30 seconds how "pull" is lingo for demolition ..... enjoy [/b]


[center][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNEoiOP76QQ&search=pull%20it"]Link[/url]


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[Guest BlackJesus]

[b]Wow .... the news channels are already running with the story ... with no mention of the fact that the same crooked ass piece of shit who profited off the WTC destruction .... also bought the Sears Tower ... and apparently was going to try and bring that bldg down too by having agents dupe some misguided muslims into attacking it .....


No wonder most Americans are uninformed as fuck [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/30.gif[/img] [/b]

[Guest bengalrick]

can we find some terrorists that bj can't find any dirt on or aren't jewish?

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='286196' date='Jun 23 2006, 12:51 PM'][b]Wow .... the news channels are already running with the story ... with no mention of the fact that the same crooked ass piece of shit who profited off the WTC destruction .... also bought the Sears Tower ... and apparently was going to try and bring that bldg down too by having agents dupe some misguided muslims into attacking it .....
No wonder most Americans are uninformed as fuck [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//30.gif[/img] [/b][/quote]

maybe b/c your FUCKING NUTS!!!!

sorry, but i can't help myself

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='bengalrick' post='286200' date='Jun 23 2006, 12:55 PM']maybe b/c your FUCKING NUTS!!!![/quote]

[color="#666600"][i][b]"Those dancing were thought to be insane, by those whom couldn't hear the music" [/i] [/color]




You don't find any of this disturbing .... is everything just coincidental to you .... how fucking lost is your mind ? .... how much propaganda and shit have you stacked on top of the rabbit hole ?

Place down the kool aid for a second ... and think for once .... [/b]

[Guest steggyD]

Actually, it would make me think that the terrorists, being Muslim extremists, would kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Hitting an American and Zionist controlled target at once. Wow, how's that for coincidence??? Just something to ponder there.

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='steggyD' post='286210' date='Jun 23 2006, 01:06 PM']Actually, it would make me think that the terrorists, being Muslim extremists, would kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Hitting an American and Zionist controlled target at once. Wow, how's that for coincidence??? Just something to ponder there.[/quote]


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[b]And then the same guy that said "Pull it" right before it was imploded .... made Billions from the WTC which he bought a few weeks before ..... and then that same Zionist piece of shit who has ties to PNAC .... then bought the Sears Tower .... which now we see was the next target ..... [/b]


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[Guest bengalrick]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='286207' date='Jun 23 2006, 01:02 PM'][color="#666600"][i][b]"Those dancing were thought to be insane, by those whom couldn't hear the music" [/i] [/color]
You don't find any of this disturbing .... is everything just coincidental to you .... how fucking lost is your mind ? .... how much propaganda and shit have you stacked on top of the rabbit hole ?

Place down the kool aid for a second ... and think for once .... [/b][/quote]

what, that the same person that owned the second largest buildings in america, bought the biggest building in america? that isn't even a coincidence to me... its a "well no shit sherlock"... there are only a handful of people that have the cash flow large enough to buy the sears tower and the twin towers anyway... and you say that he made a bunch of money of it... that is true, but its b/c he bought terrorist insurance on the building, right? isn't that common sense to get that, on a building that has a giant target on it, and has already been hit in the past?

if it was a conspiracy, wouldn't the attack have happened? bush has all his elections out of the way, and if anything, another attack will make america think about terrorism ever more, which would help them in the fall elections, so explain why we stopped them then? to go further, why are we not saying they were al qaeda members? these guys are mentioned as "wanabee" AQ members... wouldn't it make much more sense in your conspiracy for them to be AQ members so we can honker down and get them, instead of chasing indivual cells that have been made by themselves?

bj, put down the alcohol for a minute

i have a honest question... do these "zionists" actually call themselves zionist or is that something that people like yourself label people that think that israel deserves their own country?

[Homer_Rice]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='286157' date='Jun 23 2006, 11:50 AM'][b]Yeah Homer ... what is sad is that these 'cells' almost always have an infiltrator/agent provocateur, who suggests these ideas and then convinces them to take on the plan .... and then they only catch the "patsies."
man this is a sick world I live in [/b][/quote]

FBI: the original American trolls....

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='bengalrick' post='286232' date='Jun 23 2006, 01:28 PM']if it was a conspiracy, wouldn't the attack have happened? bush has all his elections out of the way, and if anything, another attack will make america think about terrorism ever more, which would help them in the fall elections, so explain why we stopped them then?[/quote]

[b]This is why maybe you can't fathom the situation .... "Everyone is not in on it" .... The police and the FBI and the CIA are all not in on it .... in fact the vast majority 99 % of the U.S. govt is not in on it ..... thus from time to time in situations like this .... the people get caught ... by those honest people in government who are doing their job .... Also don't even view the originator of the plot as the U.S. government .... because it could just as easily been Israeli Mossad or the Israeli govt ... (who bascially have a cabal in the U.S. government) .... [/b]



[quote name='bengalrick' post='286232' date='Jun 23 2006, 01:28 PM']to go further, why are we not saying they were al qaeda members? these guys are mentioned as "wanabee" AQ members... wouldn't it make much more sense in your conspiracy for them to be AQ members so we can honker down and get them, instead of chasing indivual cells that have been made by themselves?[/quote]

[b]Simple ... because we know that Al Qaeda for the most part doesn't exist ... and we are not going to find their leader Osama .... Thus they know that they now need to spread the myth of the Al Qaeda immitators ... to open up the potential "terrorists" as anyone ... hell it could be arab Jonny down the street .... [/b]



[quote name='bengalrick' post='286232' date='Jun 23 2006, 01:28 PM']i have a honest question... do these "zionists" actually call themselves zionist or is that something that people like yourself label people that think that israel deserves their own country?[/quote]

[b]They call themself zionists .... also one doesn't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist - Bush for all intents and purposes is a Zionist (although he most likely is a dumb boob who doesn't understand many of the implications). Also most self proclaimed Jews are not Zionists .... it is the head leadership of the Ashkenazi "Khazars" that make up the Zionist wing .... and many of them are actually based in America .... [/b]

[Homer_Rice]

[url="http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/06/fbi_informant_p.html"]Well, this was predictable.[/url]

The setup ops trifecta is complete: London, Ottowa, and now Miami.

"Yessir, Mr. Police-man, I believe I want to give up more of my rights and liberties so you can keep me safe. Oh, and while I'm talking to you, pass the word on to your cousin, Mr. Army-man, that I want him to attack Iran, Lebanon, and North Korea."

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='Homer_Rice' post='286244' date='Jun 23 2006, 01:47 PM'][url="http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/06/fbi_informant_p.html"]Well, this was predictable.[/url]

The setup ops trifecta is complete: London, Ottowa, and now Miami.

"Yessir, Mr. Police-man, I believe I want to give up more of my rights and liberties so you can keep me safe. Oh, and while I'm talking to you, pass the word on to your cousin, Mr. Army-man, that I want him to attack Iran, Lebanon, and North Korea."[/quote]


[b]Homer ... what is sad ... is it doesn't matter how me and show them that it is all a ruse ... some people can not bring themself to believe that elements of their "great government" could be so evil and so infilitrated with elements of groups who care nothing about them ....

Most won't take the red pill .... and thus we all must suffer [/b]

[Guest bengalrick]

my head hurts

[Guest bengalrick]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='286246' date='Jun 23 2006, 01:52 PM'][b]Homer ... what is sad ... is it doesn't matter how me and show them that it is all a ruse ... some people can not bring themself to believe that elements of their "great government" could be so evil and so infilitrated with elements of groups who care nothing about them ....

Most won't take the red pill .... and thus we all must suffer [/b][/quote]

how the FUCK did you guys show that this was a ruse!!!????!??!?!?

the only thing you have shown me is that you won't believe anything that our gov't says... not that what they say is golden, but to you, if they say it, it is worthless...

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='bengalrick' post='286249' date='Jun 23 2006, 01:54 PM']my head hurts [/quote]


[b]it should ..... cognitive dissonance is a painful process .... now if me and Homer can just get you to experience it .... you will be a better man for it ....

and then maybe you can slowly begin to use your time and effort to sift through the lies ... instead of protecting them [/b]

[Guest bengalrick]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='286251' date='Jun 23 2006, 01:56 PM'][b]it should ..... cognitive dissonance is a painful process .... now if me and Homer can just get you to experience it .... you will be a better man for it ....

and then maybe you can slowly begin to use your time and effort to sift through the lies ... instead of protecting them [/b][/quote]

so bush did do it this week? b/c i know that you thought he didn't last week... when you figure it out, then maybe i'll be able too... in the mean time, i will wait for things like evidence and facts before i make accusations that could hurt my country... if i do have facts, i will jump on the bandwagon w/ you, and we will have a merry time drinking kool aid and jag-a-bombers

[Guest BlackJesus]

[color="#003333"][b]I had hoped to use this in it's own thread .... but here is a fitting place ..... and sadly this is only about half of what has been compiled .... [/b] [/color]







[size=3]There is no way 9/11 was an inside job ....[/size]


That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people, and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about.


That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank, BCCI, Banco Ambrosiano, the P2 Lodge, the CIA/Mafia anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra and the rest were a long time ago, so theres no need to rehash all that. That was then, this is now!


That Jonathan Bushs Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.


That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.


That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osamas brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.


That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is.


That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is merely one of history's little aberrations.


The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.


That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.


That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbor" before their militarist ambitions could be fulfilled, demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the right place at the right time.


That the company PTECH, founded by a Saudi financier placed on Americas Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAAs entire computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means he must not have been such a threat after all.


That whistleblower Indira Singh was told to keep her mouth shut and forget what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her employers and federal authorities, suggests she lacked the big picture. And that the Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as she answered questions about who supplied her with what information, that "that person should be killed," suggests he should take an anger management seminar.


That on May 8, 2001, Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was crafting the administrations energy policy which bore implications for America's military, circumventing the established infrastructure and ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the VP to be someone who finds it hard to delegate.


That the standing order which covered the shooting down of hijacked aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after 9/11.


That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent Colleen Rowley found her investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so perversely thwarted that her colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace.


That Dave Frasca of the FBIs Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001 does appear on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there's a good reason for it, quite possibly classified.


That FBI informant Randy Glass, working an undercover sting, was told by Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers were coming down, and that his repeated warnings which continued until weeks before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as weapons, were ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many "What Ifs" of that tragic day.


That over the summer of 2001 Washington received many urgent, senior-level warnings from foreign intelligence agencies and governments - including those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Morocco, Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks using hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need for a new Intelligence Czar.


That John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft in July 2001 on account of security considerations had nothing to do with warnings regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission.


That former lead counsel for the House David Schippers says hed taken to John Ashcrofts office specific warnings hed learned from FBI agents in New York of an impending attack even naming the proposed dates, names of the hijackers and the targets and that the investigations had been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David Schippers pathetic need for attention.


That Garth Nicolson received two warnings from contacts in the intelligence community and one from a North African head of state, which included specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the information to the Defense Department and the National Security Council to evidently no effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually nobody has ever heard of him.


That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence operative Delmart Vreeland sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US and Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery of impending catastrophic attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a dubious character, notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims have since been proven true.


That FBI Special Investigator Robert Wright claims that agents assigned to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from investigation and prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism, sounds like yet more sour grapes from a disgruntled employee.


That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk before 9/11 demonstrates only the value of being prepared.


The suggestion that securing a pipeline across Afghanistan figured into the White Houses calculations is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil played a part in determining war in Iraq.


That Afghanistan is once again the worlds principal heroin producer is an unfortunate reality, but to claim the CIA is still actively involved in the narcotics trade is to presume bad faith on the part of the agency.


Mahmood Ahmed, chief of Pakistans ISI, must not have authorized an al Qaeda payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta days before the attacks, and was not meeting with senior Washington officials over the week of 9/11, because I didnt read anything about him in the official report.


That Porter Goss met with Ahmed the morning of September 11 in his capacity as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has no bearing whatsoever upon his recent selection by the White House to head the Central Intelligence Agency.


That Goss's congressional seat encompasses the 9/11 hijackers' Florida base of operation, including their flight schools, is precisely the kind of meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist would bring up.


It's true that George HW Bush and Dick Cheney spent the evening of September 10 alone in the Oval Office, but what's wrong with old colleagues catching up? And it's true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin Laden, Osama's brother, spent the morning of September 11 together at a board meeting of the Carlyle Group, but the bin Ladens are a big family.


That FEMA arrived in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a scheduled biowarfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to go that was larger and better equipped than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7, was a lucky twist of fate.


Newsweeks report that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on Sept 10 for the following day on account of security concerns is only newsworthy because of what happened the following morning.


That George Bush's telephone logs for September 11 do not exist should surprise no one, given the confusion of the day.


That Mohamed Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell Air Force Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base Aerospace Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense Language Institute in Monterey merely shows it is a small world, after all.


That Lt Col Steve Butler, Vice Chancellor for student affairs of the Defense Language Institute during Alghamdi's terms, was disciplined, removed from his post and threatened with court martial when he wrote "Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the American people what he knows for political gain," is the least that should have happened for such disrespect shown his Commander in Chief.


That Mohammed Atta dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend, smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US, enjoyed pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defence contractors on his email list, proves how dangerous the radical fundamentalist Muslim can be.


That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by Wally Hilliard, the owner of Attas flight school, just three weeks after Atta enrolled the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida was just bad luck. That Hilliard was not charged shows how specious the claims for conspiracy truly are.


That Hilliards plane had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same passengers who always paid cash, that the plane had been supplied by a pair of drug smugglers who had also outfitted CIA drug runner Barry Seal, and that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had been Seals attorney before Seals murder, shows nothing but the lengths to which conspiracists will go to draw sinister conclusions.


Reports of insider trading on 9/11 are false, because the SEC investigated and found only respectable investors who will remain nameless involved, and no terrorists, so the windfall profit-taking was merely, as ever, coincidental.


That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted immediately prior to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when you least expect it.


That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their minds to it.


That none of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable even though they were located in the tail sections, and that until 9/11, no solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash had been unrecoverable, shows how there's a first time for everything.


That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver's license and a "how to fly planes" video in his rental car at the airport means he had other things on his mind.


The mention of Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been arrested on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, of an Israeli espionage ring surveiling DEA and defense installations and trailing the hijackers, and of a warning of impending attacks delivered to the Israeli company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit, does not deserve a response. That the stories also appeared in publications such as Ha'aretz and Forward is a sad display of self-hatred among certain elements of the Israeli media.


That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the morning of 9/11 one simulating the crash of a plane into a building; another, a live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings and took many interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and which was a hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence.


That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than bad timing.


That a recording made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers describing what they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, is something no doubt that overzealous official wishes he could undo.


That the FBI knew precisely which Florida flight schools to descend upon hours after the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing their federal agents are on the ball.


That a former flight school executive believes the hijackers were "double agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early on I gleaned that these guys had government protection. They were let into this country for a specific purpose," and was visited by the FBI just four hours after the attacks to intimidate him into silence, proves he's an unreliable witness, for the simple reason there is no conspiracy.


That Jeb Bush was on board an aircraft that removed flight school records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue of national security.


To insinuate evil motive from the mercy flights of bin Laden family members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the conspiratorial mindset.


Le Figaros report in October 2001, known to have originated with French intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.


That the tape in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks was released by the State Department after having been found providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face and a flatter nose, and also he is right instead of left handed, proves Osama, and Osama alone, masterminded 9/11.


That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and were forced to stand and watch as two Russian-made helicopters flew into the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield can be.


That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden, suffered a unusual spree of murder/suicides, is nothing more than a series of senseless tragedies.


That the White House went on Cipro September 11 shows the foresightedness of Americas emergency response.


That the anthrax was mailed to perceived liberal media and the Democratic leadership demonstrates only the perversity of the terrorist psyche.


That the anthrax attacks appeared to silence opponents of the Patriot Act shows only that appearances can be deceiving.


That the Ames-strain anthrax was found to have originated at Fort Detrick, and was beyond the capability of all but a few labs to refine, underscores the importance of allowing the investigation to continue without the distraction of absurd conspiracy theories.


That dumbass guru Grover Norquist has been found to have aided financiers and supporters of Islamic terror to gain access to the Bush White House, and is a founder of the Islamic Institute, which the Treasury Department believes to be a source of funding for al Qaeda, suggests Norquist is at worst, naive, and at best, needs a wider circle of friends.


That the Department of Justice consistently chooses to see accused 9/11 plotters go free rather than permit the courtroom testimony of al Qaeda leaders in American custody looks bad, but only because we don't have all the facts.


That the White House balked at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then starved it of funds and stonewalled it, was unfortunate, but since the commission didn't find for conspiracy it's all a non issue anyway.


That the 9/11 commission's executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under investigation that he testified before the the commission as part of the inquiry, shows only an apparent conflict of interest.


That commission chair Thomas Kean is, like George Bush, a Texas oil executive who had business dealings with reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mafouz, suggests Texas is smaller than they say it is.


That co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush family "fixer," including clearing Bush Sr of the claims arising from the 1980 "October Surprise", is of no concern, since only conspiracists believe there was such a thing as an October Surprise.


That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of intentionally fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage ring in its translation department, and claims she witnessed evidence of the semi-official infrastructure of money-laundering and narcotics trade behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege," and retroactively classified her public testimony. For the sake of national security, let us speak no more of her.


That, when commenting on Edmond's case, Daniel Ellsberg remarked that Ashcroft could go to prison for his part in a cover-up, suggests Ellsberg is giving comfort to the terrorists, and could, if he doesn't wise up, find himself declared an enemy combatant.



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[color="#663366"][b]Going back to the Miami case specifically ....

Oops not sure this guy was supposed to make it onto CNN [/color]


6 minute clip from Anderson Cooper talking to a family member and friend of one of the suspects ... The friend says that some guy approached the suspect claiming he "would give him however much money he wanted to do whatever he wanted" ... hmm wonder who this guy entrapping him could have been

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[center][b]They have released pictures of the 7 ......


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[i]they are ready to drop it hot like Osama ya dig ? [/i] [/b] [/center]