Klan Holds Rally at Gettysburg

[Guest ONYX]

look, i'll put it this way......

if that dude is black, so is George Hamilton.

[eva4ben-gal]

[quote name='sneaky' post='331137' date='Sep 5 2006, 12:45 PM']

dude,

allow me to kick some knowledge to you. African Americans come in about
30 different shades of brown because most African Americans do not have pure
African bloodlines. I have white people and native americans in
my family tree.... as do most African Americans. I have family members as
dark as night and family members as pale as whites.

thats why this racism shit is so stupid, considering that whites can actually be darker
than some blacks.[/quote]
then why is it not possible that this guy is black and in the kkk?

[quote name='sneaky' post='331152' date='Sep 5 2006, 12:52 PM']look, i'll put it this way......

if that dude is black, so is George Hamilton.[/quote]
george hamilton is an oompa loompa that was banned from the chocolate factory for being too tall

[eva4ben-gal]

[quote name='steggyD' post='331144' date='Sep 5 2006, 12:48 PM']The dude has old, tan, dried up skin. Look at people over 40 who have been tan their whole lives. They look like that. Sheesh. And he has dark hair, somewhat wavy, he probably had some sort of Mediteranean lineage in him to begin with. But he's not black, that's for sure.[/quote]
that guys skin does not look old or dried up. It looks like it is in pretty good shape IMO

[Guest steggyD]

One other thing, eva ... I have no idea why I'm even arguing such a silly thing ... Look at the damn picture. Notice the whites on the sheet and even the skin tone of the other guy. The picture is desaturated to a degree. It's darker and greyed out.

[eva4ben-gal]

just can't believe a black man would join the KKK steggy? it happens, deal with it

[Guest ONYX]

[quote name='eva4ben-gal' post='331153' date='Sep 5 2006, 12:53 PM']then why is it not possible that this guy is black and in the kkk?[/quote]



dude what are you talking about?

#1. the guy is not black....... can we at least establish that???
#2. yes, hypothetically speaking, a black person can join the klan.....([i]see black GOP members[/i])
#3. hypothetically speaking, if he was black, why would he want to join the KKK??
#4. hypothetically speaking, if he was black, why would the KKK let him join ???

[Guest steggyD]

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There, I added some saturation back to the picture. Notice his skin tone. It resembles nothing of a black man.

I believe that maybe a black man could be in the KKK, however, I do not believe that that man is black.

[eva4ben-gal]

This is the text from the link I posted

[quote]So, you don't believe there ever were Negro (Black, Colored, Afro-American - what ever they want to be called these days) members of the Ku Klux Klan??? Well read on!

One of the last things today's biased media wants anyone to know is that there were Negro members of the Ku Klux Klan. No one has ever written a book about them to my knowledge though such a book would be of great historical interest. In fact, very little documentation has survived. What little does survive speaks volumes and proves that Americans do not know their own history. Here I will simply give my sources of information and quote from them. If anyone has further documentation about the Black membership of the KKK I'd be grateful to be referred to it. Should I come across more documentation I will list it here.

My first source of Negro Klan membership is the book, "The Ku Klux Spirit", by J.A. Rogers, noted Negro historian of the 1920's. The Ku Klux Spirit was first published in 1923, by Messenger Publishing Co. It was republished in 1980, by Black Classic Press. On page 34 of his book we find the amazing passage: "A fact not generally known is that there were thousands of Negro Klansmen. These were used as spies on other Negroes and on Northern Whites."

Very interesting. In the 1920's, there were plenty of original Klansmen still living as well as many other people of both races who lived during the Reconstruction Era. J.A. Rogers would have been able to interview many. Why would a Black historian make such a thing up? And if he did make it up there would have been plenty of people who would have objected. His book would not have survived to this day. Yet, it did.

My second source is a book written by a Carpetbagger, Albion Winegar Tourgee (1838-1905). In 1880 he published his book, "A Fool's Errand", (New York: Fords, Howard and Hubert). It was republished in 1989 by Louisiana State University Press as, "The Invisible Empire". On page 79 of his book we find the passage: "There were no Colored men in the band (of Klansmen) that night. Their hands were not covered. I could see their boots and pants, and I could judge from their hands and feet. Most of them were genteel people, besides being white people. I could also have told by their language if there had been any Colored people among them. Their language was that of white men, and cultivated men."

OK, why claim that no Colored men were riding with the Klan that night unless the witness had seen Colored men with the Klan on another occasion? The men were in their robes since the witness had to look at their uncovered hands to see that no Colored men were among them. If he's not telling the truth, why would a Carpetbagger, of all people, ever make such a thing up?

My third source is, "Ku Klux Klan, It's Origins, Growth, and Disbandment", by J.C. Lester (one of the six original founders of the first Ku Klux Klan) and D.L. Wilson (another early Klansman). The book was first published in 1884. (I have an original copy). Reprints of this book are available from us for $7.00. The book was re-printed in 1905. In that edition, Walter L. Fleming, Ph.D., added an introduction. Again in 1905, there were still plenty of original Klansmen and others who had lived during the Reconstruction Era. In the introduction we find Fleming's statement: "Many of the genuine Unionists later joined in the movement (the KKK), and there were some few Negro members, I have been told."

Now here we are told that there were "some few Negro members". Above we were told that there "were thousands of Negro Klansmen." But that is relative. When one considers that the original KKK had over 400,000 members "some few Negro members" could have totaled several thousand!

My fourth source is an more modern book, "Nathan Bedford Forrest: A Biography", by Jack Hurst. On page 305 we find this interesting quote: "...(the Klan was) reorganized to oppose radical proponents (the Radical dumbasss) of what it perceived to be Black domination, NOT to scourge Blacks themselves. Although it has been written that Ku Klux Klan ranks were open only to the more than 100,000 honorably discharged ex-Confederate veterans, the hierarchy in some areas and some instances seems to have accepted and even recruited Blacks, provided they went along with Conservative-Democratic political philosophy. In Memphis of late 1868, sixty-five Blacks organized a "Colored Democratic Club" under the watchful eye of Klansman-editor Gallaway - - who according to an account in the Appeal, "made a motion on behalf of the White men present, that they give employment and protection to Colored democrats."

So, the Klan not only accepted and recruited Blacks in some areas, but a Klan leader made a motion that White men give employment and protection to Colored democrats. That in itself speaks volumes. Yes, volumes of ignored facts of Klan, Negro, and American history.

That is all I have for documentation that there were Negro members of the original Ku Klux Klan. But, that in itself, is enough to prove their existence! The only thing to do now is to discover more documentation of what may very well be the least known chapter in Black American history. I said before that Americans do not know their own history. In time I will add this to my web page, but how many of you know that there were millions of White slaves (not bonded servants, but true slaves for life) in this country? That there were free Negroes who owned slaves? That there were free Negroes who fought gallantly for the Confederate States? That the Confederate Army did not discriminate against, or pay unequally its Negro soldiers? This and more, in time will be added. But for now, back to the Klan.

When the Klan was revived in 1915 it was originally just for Protestant White men. In time the Klan added the Women of the Ku Klux Klan, teenager and children's groups, groups for the foreign born and Colored men.

Concerning the Colored Klansmen of the 20th century my first source is, "Women of the Klan, Racism and Gender in the 1920's", by Kathleen M. Blee. (1991, University of California Press). On page 169, we find the passage, " Even more strangely, the Klan tried to organize an order of Black Protestants, a Klan "Colored division" in Indiana and other states. Despite promises that the new order would have "all the rights of membership" of the White Klan, much preparation went into ensuring that the values of white supremacy would be preserved as the Klan expanded its racial base. The group was to wear red robes, white capes, and blue masks and was prohibited from being seen in public with White Klansmen or handling any membership funds."

Well, if any of you ever find such a red, white, and blue robe in an antique shop or old trunk somewhere it would be as significant an historical find as discovering an original Klan robe. Likewise with any photos of the Colored Klansmen, newspapers articles, or anything else pertaining to them. Let me know if you do. (I think I'll make a couple reproductions of their robes for display.) It is presently unknown just how far the Colored Man's Klan went or how long they lasted. When the men's Klan had to disband in 1944, the separate Women of the Ku Klux Klan organization did not. They changed their name to the Women's Christian Patriotic Association and continued up to the 1960's. Could this order of Black Protestants have changed its name and still be with us to this day with its origins unknown to historians as well as its own present members?

Now to further add to this my next source of information is from the KKK, itself. In their book, "K.K.K. Friend or Foe: Which?", by attorney Blaine Mast and published in 1924 a chapter is dedicated to discussing the KKK and its relationship to the Black population. In this chapter we see the passage:

"The KKK claims that there is no good reason why the Colored people may not form a Ku Klux Klan of their own, and, as far as the writer knows, such an institution may exist in America. Indeed, we were credibly informed that some months ago a Klan gathering took place in an adjoining state, which was attended by some 20 colored men, for a general invitation had been extended. Those Negroes were so favorably impressed with what a distinguished speaker said, and with the general character and demeanor of the meeting, that they approached the speaker and others in authority and inquired if it were not possible for the Colored people to form a Klan of their own race. If they could get permission to organize they were anxious to do so and hoped for assistance from the officers of the KKK. So, in this particular instance, at least, some Colored men had no fear in associating with Klansmen."

The chapter then went on to outline the ground work for such a Black Klan. It is of interest that in the same book, another chapter is dedicated to discussing the possible formation of a Jewish branch of the Ku Klux Klan. A reprint of this book is available from us for $7.00.

We have recently made a new historical find concerning Negroes in the KKK that you will find surprising. It appears that in some cases Whites and Blacks belonged to the same local chapters of the Ku Klux Klan. Our source of information is from the book: Hard Times by Studs Terkel (1970, New York). The book is about the conditions in this country during the Great Depression. On page 239 we read:

"The Ku Klux was formed on behalf of people that wanted a decent living, both black and white. Half the coal camp was colored. It wasn't anti-colored. The black people had the same responsibilities as the white. Their lawn was just as green as the white man's. They got the same rate of pay. There was two colored who belonged to it. I remember those two coming around my father and asking questions about it. They joined. The pastor of our community church was a colored man. He was Ku Klux. It was the only protection the working man had. ....... One time a Negro slapped a white boy. They didn't give him any warning. They whipped him and ran him out of town. If a white man slapped a colored kid, they'd have dome the same thing. They didn't go in for beating up Negroes because they were Negroes. What they did was keep the community decent to live in. What they did object to was obscenity and drinking."

More may be added to this section if it becomes available.

Updated Feb. 1, 2006[/quote]

Blacks DO belong to the KKK and I will go to my grave believing that man is black. Let me put it this way, if this was 1950 he would not be allowed to shit in the same bathroom as me Sad but true

[eva4ben-gal]

[quote name='steggyD' post='331173' date='Sep 5 2006, 01:01 PM'][img]http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/272/kkkguyssaturatedrm3.jpg[/img]

There, I added some saturation back to the picture. Notice his skin tone. It resembles nothing of a black man.

I believe that maybe a black man could be in the KKK, however, I do not believe that that man is black.[/quote]
still looks black, but now the white guy looks a little pink, I could give him a second head but that doesn't make it so, you could make Malcolm X look white with photoshop, besides isn't that a watermelon seed I see stuck in his goatee?

[Guest steggyD]

Lmao, I didn't really alter the photo, I just added some saturation back to it. The picture was poor, poor lighting and poor decision on the cameraman. Of course the guy is getting some pink in his skin, as all people have pink in their skin, especially the white guys. If he looks like he does in that first picture, then he's way too gray, he needs to see a doctor. I'm going back to reality somewhere else, this conversation ended a long time ago.

[eva4ben-gal]

no shit, I can't beleive you carried it on this long

[DaddyCincinnati]

That guy knew the big klan rally was coming up, so he went to Mystic Tan. He looks more like an Oompa Loompa in that pic.

[Rumble In the Jungle]

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[Notorious]

[quote name='sneaky' post='331169' date='Sep 5 2006, 01:00 PM']#1. the guy is not black....... can we at least establish that???[/quote]

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