JBandJoeyV Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 I dont know if anyone has talked about this or not, but Carolina rushed the ball 4, yes 4 times in the second half. They had the lead the whole 3rd quarter too. That just seems ridiculous to me, they had 12 carries for 47 yards in the first half which isnt bad, then 4 for 13 in the second half. Im not trying to take anything away from our Defense, but you think when teams have the lead they are gonna attack our weakness which is usually our running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bengal_Smoov Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 [quote name='CJandRudiJ' post='372031' date='Oct 25 2006, 04:31 PM']I dont know if anyone has talked about this or not, but Carolina rushed the ball 4, yes 4 times in the second half. They had the lead the whole 3rd quarter too. That just seems ridiculous to me, they had 12 carries for 47 yards in the first half which isnt bad, then 4 for 13 in the second half. Seems like they maybe handed us theg game... Im not trying to take anything away from our Defense, but you think when teams have the lead they are gonna attack our weakness which is usually our running game.[/quote] Yeah it helped, Fox has helped lose two games this year due to pathetic play calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwing Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Funny---------these guys went to a Super Bowl justa a few seasons ago. the NFC Championship last year------yet they cannot coach and do not know their X's & O's. Just like Brat just last week !!!!!!!!!! It is not the plays, it is the execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ravonaf Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Not at all. Thier bread and butter is Steve Smith. They win games by getting him the ball. It just so happens that our defense matches up well with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Henrys Dealer Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 If you go to the Panthers boards, you'll see amongst their fan base, there are a lot of people who want Dan Henning fired as OC. Because of what they feel is his questionable play calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted October 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 [quote name='cwing' post='372048' date='Oct 25 2006, 04:41 PM']Funny---------these guys went to a Super Bowl justa a few seasons ago. the NFC Championship last year------yet they cannot coach and do not know their X's & O's. Just like Brat just last week !!!!!!!!!! It is not the plays, it is the execution.[/quote] No offense, but that comment was just stupid. It had nothing to do with execution, it has to do with wearing down the defense and running clock, especially with the lead. Running the ball worked the first half, and then they completely abandoned it WITH the lead. How does that make any sense? Im not saying they cant coach, but even good coaches (like Brat?) can make mistakes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted October 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 [quote name='ravonaf' post='372051' date='Oct 25 2006, 04:42 PM']Not at all. Thier bread and butter is Steve Smith. They win games by getting him the ball. It just so happens that our defense matches up well with them.[/quote] How can you go against Deshuan foster rushing for 4.6 yards a carry the first half, then only running hte ball 4 times in the second half with the lead??? They got Steve Smith the ball plenty of times, but 1 player cant win the game. Good teams are two-dimensional, not just 1 like the played in the second half, even though running worked in the first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Henrys Dealer Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 We also had the ball for 22 minutes of the second half. That probably affected Carolina's ability to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steggyD Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Sometimes people pay too much attention to the stats that come from the game and not what happened in the game. I'm just saying, go back and watch the game, second half, and see why they might've given up on the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ravonaf Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 [quote name='CJandRudiJ' post='372066' date='Oct 25 2006, 04:57 PM']How can you go against Deshuan foster rushing for 4.6 yards a carry the first half, then only running hte ball 4 times in the second half with the lead??? They got Steve Smith the ball plenty of times, but 1 player cant win the game. Good teams are two-dimensional, not just 1 like the played in the second half, even though running worked in the first half.[/quote] And yet we held him out of the endzone. After halftime they obviously thought they could throw on us. Gameplans change and it's pretty easy for us football morons to second guess the pros. They played a great game and where just one play away from beating us. Sounds like you are trying to make up excuses as to why we won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted October 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 [quote name='Chris Henrys Dealer' post='372072' date='Oct 25 2006, 05:04 PM']We also had the ball for 22 minutes of the second half. That probably affected Carolina's ability to run.[/quote] If they would ran the ball in the 3rd quarter we wouldnt have had the ball for 22 minutes.. And as for SteggyD, I dont think there was any reason to abandon the run. Its not like they tried and it just didnt work. They only tried 4 times. There is no reason to only run the ball 4 times in a half especially when you have the lead most of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bengal_Smoov Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 [quote name='cwing' post='372048' date='Oct 25 2006, 04:41 PM']Funny---------these guys went to a Super Bowl justa a few seasons ago. the NFC Championship last year------yet they cannot coach and do not know their X's & O's. Just like Brat just last week !!!!!!!!!! It is not the plays, it is the execution.[/quote] 4 rushing attempts in half is pathetic play calling regardless of the score, offense is about balance keeping the defense guessing what's next, with only 4 rushing attempts in a close game the team isn't balanced. Especially since our rush defense has been horrid lately, I would have ran the ball 40 times against the Bengals. If you have the lead for the whole third quarter and you only rush the ball 4 times, that is pathetic play calling. Execution can only do so much, if the play calling is flawed then a team is doomed from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted October 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 [quote name='ravonaf' post='372077' date='Oct 25 2006, 05:08 PM']And yet we held him out of the endzone. After halftime they obviously thought they could throw on us. Gameplans change and it's pretty easy for us football morons to second guess the pros. They played a great game and where just one play away from beating us. Sounds like you are trying to make up excuses as to why we won. [/quote] Wait a sec, they threw the ball and ran the ball well in the first half. Then all of the sudden they couldnt pass the ball well in the second half, and you are gonna tell me that isnt because they didnt run at all and all of the sudden their offense was "predictable". It is incredible how you think that you and NFL coaches are always right, and that anyone that disagrees with you or an NFL coach is a football moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 [quote name='CJandRudiJ' post='372080' date='Oct 25 2006, 05:10 PM']And as for SteggyD, I dont think there was any reason to abandon the run. Its not like they tried and it just didnt work. They only tried 4 times. There is no reason to only run the ball 4 times in a half especially when you have the lead most of it[/quote] If you watch the game or just check out the play-by-play you get a much more realistic picture than what you are painting right now. I think in several cases they thought they could exploit our secondary (i.e. Tory James) by passing first, allowing them to get the lead and that game-icing touchdown. In other cases they tried to run and got stuffed, and were forced into 2nd or 3rd and long situations. It is basically like Steggy was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steggyD Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Ok, here we go. Their first possession of the 3rd quarter. First play, a quick pass to the left, which is basically a run play but with the receiver. However, Madieu got in there quickly and batted the ball away. Second play, they try to run, only a 2 yard gain. Left 3rd and 8, which is definitely a passing situation. They play action, luckily, because someone was already in the backfield, which rushed Jake's pass, incomplete. That's just the first possession. I'm not gonna recap them all. But as you see, our D stepped up and played, forcing them out of their running game. I guess you could second guess the first play, but how many times does the QB miss the receiver on the quick dump to the sideline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted October 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 When you have the lead the whole 3rd quarter you should run the ball on 1st down once in a while, especially when it was working in the first half, instead of throwing the ball every first down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted October 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 They also had first and goal from the 10 and decided to throw the ball 3 times, right after they ran the ball for 15 yards on the play before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ONYX Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Really, who gives a rat's ass? If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, everybody would have a Merry Christmas. A win is a win Poor play calling or poor execution are the reasons why teams lose......period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steggyD Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Second possession, first down, a pass attempt, but ball was batted. This was after our field goal, maybe they were afraid that now that our O was moving, that they need to move and score. Second down, run play, loss of about 6 yards. Leaves 3rd and long, they didn't get enough yards. Once again, our D stepped up, stopped the one run attempt, forcing passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted October 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 My whole point is that good teams arent 1 dimensional. Look at the game for a second and look who dominated each half. 1st Half was pretty much dominated by the Panthers, besides for our 1 scoring drive. Stats-Panthers had 47 rushing ards and 143 passing yards, solid for both passing and running 2 dimensional!. Bengals-43 rushing yards 56 passing, Ok rushing, terrible passing. 1 dimensional at best! 2nd Half pretty much dominated by the Bengals Stats Bengals-69 rushing yards 184 passing. Very good for both, 2 dimensional!! Panthers-13 rushing 95 passing. There is no way you can tell me that it doesnt take a good rushing and passing attack to win games! Steggy Im also not saying that our D didnt step up, cause it did. But if they would have attacked our weaknesses which is usually our Run D, who knows what would have happened... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Coy Bacon Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 [quote name='sneaky' post='372093' date='Oct 25 2006, 05:21 PM']Really, who gives a rat's ass? If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, everybody would have a Merry Christmas. A win is a win Poor play calling or poor execution are the reasons why teams lose......period. [/quote] Took the words out of my mouth..........and added some more colorful phrasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ravonaf Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 [quote name='CJandRudiJ' post='372084' date='Oct 25 2006, 05:14 PM']Wait a sec, they threw the ball and ran the ball well in the first half. Then all of the sudden they couldnt pass the ball well in the second half, and you are gonna tell me that isnt because they didnt run at all and all of the sudden their offense was "predictable". It is incredible how you think that you and NFL coaches are always right, and that anyone that disagrees with you or an NFL coach is a football moron.[/quote] When did I say [b]ANY [/b]of that. First of all, I'm taking nothing away from the panthers. I said they played a great game. Where the fuck do you turn that into saying all of a sudden they could not pass well in the second half? Second of all. I said [b]us morons[/b]. For morons like you us includes me. Third of all. Play calling is way over rated. Football is all about execution. To say the play calling cost the Panthers the game is bullshit. They came one play away from beating us. In the end our boys executed better than them and that's all that matters. You can make as many excuses as you want but you should really pull your head out of your ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Yeah, we win because of other teams OC`s bad play calling, and lose because of our OC`s play calling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwing Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 [quote name='CJandRudiJ' post='372061' date='Oct 25 2006, 04:56 PM']No offense, but that comment was just stupid. It had nothing to do with execution, it has to do with wearing down the defense and running clock, especially with the lead. Running the ball worked the first half, and then they completely abandoned it WITH the lead. How does that make any sense? Im not saying they cant coach, but even good coaches (like Brat?) can make mistakes...[/quote] No offense taken but-------It makes all the sense in the world. What happens if they complete those passes??? Same thing happens that you suggest, right??? Whether a pass is short or long, a completion keeps the clock running. 3 four yard completions or 1 11 yard completion have the same results as 3 4 yard runs or 1 11 yard run, right? If exectued propely, they all result in first downs, right??? They are looking at alignments. On film they beleive they can do certain things against certain alignments. Obviously they saw something they were trying to exploit or the Bengals were doing something to confuse them. Teams do what they do for a reason and unless we are in the film room--------we have no idea what they were doing and why they are attempting to do it........Sometimes it works, sometimes not......... Pass or run, IT IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE ABOUT EXECUTION !!!!! Concerning the lead-------I would agree with you had they been up by more than 7. With a one touchdown lead, you do not change your game plan. Remember Carolina's main offensive threat has been and will continue to be the pass, primarly to S Smith Obviously they are not stupid as they have called the plays that have lead to recent SB and an appearance in the NFC Championship game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted October 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 [quote name='oldschooler' post='372114' date='Oct 25 2006, 06:01 PM']Yeah, we win because of other teams OC`s bad play calling, and lose because of our OC`s play calling...[/quote] OldSchooler, when did I ever say it was the reason we won? Cwing, when your offense is one dementional and is all about passing it makes it easier for the defense to execute and makes it harder for the offense to execute their part... Ravnoff, the play calling didnt lose them the game, but it didnt help them win it either. Second of all, I said that they didnt pass well in the second half, I wasnt saying you said that. Do you honestly believe that it is no easier to prevent a pass play when you know they are gonna pass, rather than having to prevent against the run as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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