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[color="green"][b]As I am sure most of you saw today.... North Korea now claims to have Nuclear Weapons..... Thay have also already been caught trying to sell knowledge and materials to Libya and Iraq in the past, Kim Jong Il the wacked out psycho leader has said that he will us them if he feels threatened...... I think that N. Korea has to vault to the top of the list of U.S. Concerns. The one problem is that N Korea for as shitty and poor that their country is has A HUGE FUCKIN MILITARY and a lot of personnel and equipment that countries who the U.S. attacks don't usually don't possess. To take on N Korea the U.S. would need an extensive draft and it would be costly, bloody and make Iraq look like a fucking cake walk.

Some Info from CNN[/b][/color]


[u]NORTH KOREA Facts[/u]

Population: 22.5 million

Capital: Pyongyang

Ethnic groups: Racially homogenous although there is a small Chinese community and some ethnic Japanese.

[color="red"][u]KOREAN MILITARY BREAKDOWN [/color][/u]

[b]North Korea has the fourth largest military in the world, according to the U.S. State Department. About 20 percent of North Korean men ages 17 to 54 are part of the armed forces, and nearly 23 percent of the country's gross domestic product goes to military spending.

The majority of North Korea's 1.2 million active forces are stationed within 65 km of the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) that divides North and South Korea. [/b]

[u]Total armed forces[/u]

Active forces: 1.2 million
Reserves: More than 5 million
Special operations forces: 100,000

[u]Korean People's Army (KPA)[/u]
The largest branch of the North Korean military is the Korean People's Army, or KPA.

996,000 ground forces
3,800 main battle tanks
2,270 armored personnel carriers
11,200 artillery pieces

[u]KPA Navy[/u]
North Korea's navy is divided into two fleets: the East Sea and the West Sea fleets.

48,000 personnel
430 combat vessels
40 submarines (26 attack subs)
340 support ships

[u]KPA Air Force[/u]
There are six divisions in North Korea's air force: 3 combat divisions, 2 for transport and 1 for training.

103,000 personnel
850 combat aircraft
820 support aircraft and helicopters

[u]Missile capability[/u]
North Korea is believed to have between 600 and 750 ballistic missiles in its arsenal, with several more in development.

[u]Missile Range Inventory/status[/u]
Nodong 1,300 km 100 missiles built
Taepodong I 1,300 km Believed to be under development
Taepodong II Could reach U.S. sites in Guam, Alaska, U.S. West Coast Believed to be under development


North Korea has an estimated 13,000 hardened artillery sites, many of the pieces aimed at targets in and around the South Korean capital, Seoul.
Like much of North Korea's armed forces, they are well camouflaged and bunkered in.
4,000 are near the DMZ and 200 to 300 in range of Seoul.
U.S. officials believe every fourth round has a chemical tip.

[u]Chemical/Biological weapons[/u]

- North Korea has the world's third largest stock of chemical weapons.
- Included in the arsenal is mustard gas, phosgene, sarin and V-agents.
- Pyongyang also has an active biological weapons program.
- Its inventory is believed to include anthrax, botulism, cholera, hemorrhagic fever, plague, smallpox, typhoid and yellow fever.

[u]Nuclear capability[/u]

North Korea announced in February 2005 that it possesses nuclear weapons.
U.S. intelligence estimates North Korea has enough weapons grade plutonium for two to five nuclear devices.
The U.S. also says it believes North Korea has began reprocessing spent nuclear fuel rods which, if successful, could contain enough plutonium to produce between six to 12 nuclear weapons.

[color="blue"]Great site to learn more .....[/color]

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They are a concern but I believe they are saber-rattling right now to gain improved status for negotiations with the West, primarily for humanitarian (FOOD) and oil (HEAT) in "exchange" for them not producing nuclear weapons.
Scary, but Kim Jong Il has starved a large portion of his population in order to produce his military machine, so his subjects can't be largely happy.
Kim jong is fucking crazy but he's being sly right now.
People cry about "why aren't we going after Iran or North Korea? We went after IRAQ!???"
Because every situation is different...
N korea is communist, isolated, starving, powerful and stupid. They are playing the skunk at the picnic routine.
Proximity to China alone is a HUGE deterrent to any US invasion plans...
I didn't just say that, you were never here, we never met... :ninja:

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[color="green"][b] :o Wildfire my Ass !!! They are alredy testing the fucking things :angry2: [/b][/color]

[u]North Korea cloud 'not nuke blast'
Thursday, February 10, 2005 [/u]

SEOUL, South Korea (CNN) -- A large cloud that appeared over North Korea in satellite images several days ago was not the result of a nuclear explosion, according to a U.S. official.

South Korea's Yonhap news agency is reporting a huge explosion shook North Korea's northernmost province on Thursday producing a mushroom cloud over 4 kilometers (two miles) wide.

The blast coincided with the anniversary of North Korea's founding on Sepember 9 when various military activities are staged.

The U.S. official said the cloud could be the result of a forest fire.

South Korea's Unification Minister Chung Dong-yong said the government was aware of the reports and is checking them.

"I have no information about the size of the damage of the explosion," he said on Sunday, according to Yonhap.

Chung also said he believed there was no correlation between the explosion and reports of North Korea preparing for a possible nuclear test.

The New York Times reported on Saturday that U.S. President George W. Bush and his top advisers recently received intelligence reports that could indicate North Korea is preparing its first nuclear test, citing senior officials with access to the intelligence.

John Irvine, a reporter for Britain's ITN TV who is in Pyongyang, said there has been no official response from the North Korean government, although there is pressure to provide an explanation.

"I'm touring outside Pyongyang, the North Korean capital, right now with the British Junior Foreign Minister Bill Rammell, who has just told me that he is demanding a response from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs here in North Korea," Irvine reported Sunday.

"[Rammell] does have a meeting with a senior foreign minister here tomorrow and Mr. Fammell anticipates some answers at least by then."

Yonhap reported the explosion happened in Yanggang province along the Chinese border, the site of Yongjori Missile Base -- a large facility with an underground missile firing range.

According to data gathered by Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI), Yongjori is a suspected site for North Korea's uranium enrichment program.

According to its Web site, NTI is a private charity -- funded by CNN founder Ted Turner -- dedicated to lessen the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction -- nuclear, chemical and biological -- around the globe.

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[u][color="purple"][b]Countries Involved in Talking N. Korea Down [/b][/color][/u]

South Korea[img]http://www.fiscalstudy.com/im/flags/south-korea-flag.gif[/img]

South Korea is more than twice as populous and 20 times as prosperous as North Korea, the neighbor with whom it is still technically at war, having not signed a truce since North Korea invaded in 1950.

Although impoverished, North Korea is the world's most militarized state relative to population, with twice as many troops as its southern neighbor.

It is a formula that causes some unease in South Korea. The government is committed to a reconciliation process with North Korea and favors a softer approach to the isolated state than its close ally, the United States.

President Roh Moo-hyun has invested much of his political standing in improving relations with North Korea but is reluctant to openly oppose the United States.


Of all the countries involved in the talks, it is the Chinese who are arguably walking the most precarious of diplomatic tightropes.

Ever since the Korean War of the early 1950s when Chinese troops fought alongside those of North Korea in opposition to the United States, China has been one of Pyongyang's few allies.

The talks' host nation is the largest provider of food and fuel aid to the regime of Kim Jong Il. But as it embraces global trade, China has become increasingly concerned about Pyongyang's nuclear movements.

North Korea is being seen as a threat to regional security with the potential to threaten China-U.S. ties.


Like the United States, Japan is demanding Pyongyang abandon its nuclear arms program.

North Korea sent shockwaves across the region in 1998 when it test fired a missile that flew over Japan's main island, accelerating Japanese efforts to build a ballistic missile defense system.

In the past, Japan has said it will not normalize relations, or provide aid, to North Korea unless issues relating to the abduction of its citizens by North Korean spies in the 1970s and 1980s are resolved.


Russia provides scant aid to North Korea and brings little to the negotiating table beyond a close rapport with the reclusive Kim Jong Il.

But Russia's military and regional security concerns on its eastern borders are intertwined with North Korea's nuclear ambitions.

Russia also harbors economic ambitions in the region that would be enhanced by a harmonious Korean Peninsula.

United States[img]http://www.mobbq.com/pics/us-flag-small.gif[/img]

Once branding North Korea one-third of an "axis of evil," President Bush has toned down that rhetoric and in 2005, agreed with South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun to push for an early resumption of the six-nation anti-proliferation talks.

After three rounds of talks with little progress since 2003, North Korea refused in September 2004 to take part in the planned fourth round, citing what it called a "hostile" U.S. policy. In February 2005, North Korea announced it was suspending further participation in the talks, saying the weapons were "for self-defense to cope with the Bush administration's evermore undisguised policy to isolate and stifle" its government.

The United States has opposed North Korea's demands in the past that it hold one-to-one nuclear talks, saying a multilateral diplomatic approach is required.
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[color="green"][b]This Bio isn't a joke.....
The guy is a fucking quack (the part about triplets) :blink: [/b][/color]


[u]Kim Jong IL[/u]

Hieght: 5'2 (wears platform shoes)
Weight: 170 lbs
Net Worth : 4 billion $
Favorite drink: Hennessy 10,000 $ a bottle

- Has over 15,000 Hollywood films on reels: His favorites include Rambo, Friday the 13th, the James Bond series, and Hong Kong action films. His favorite stars are Elizabeth Taylor and Sean Connery.

- Kim also adores children's cartoons, especially Daffy Duck. (Evidently, the Dear Leader has amassed the world's largest collection of Daffy cartoons.)

- He's a giant Michael Jackson fan.

- He also loves pornography. Furthermore he keeps a harem of beautiful women for the purpose of fucking. The dictator is regularly serviced by a nubile "Pleasure Squad," a stable of babes composed primarily of young Asians and Europeans.

- For some reason, Kim Jong Il believes he will be replaced by a triplet, and none of his children were triplets. So Kim is covering his bets. He has ordered all triplets born in North Korea be rounded up and raised in state orphanages

"He woo"

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[b]Maybe we can drop a bunch of dog meat from a c-140 .......[/b]

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[i](that wasn't supposed to be funny, you racist asshole)[/i] :crazy: [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//28.gif[/img]

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[b]Yeah the problem is that people keep saying ....

"North Korea isn't going to attack the United States"....

The flaw in that is they don't have to. As soon as they start selling Nukes they can sell one to Al Qeada and you want to see the entire world economy collapse in a manner of hours.....

If a Nuclear weapon destroys New York city killing 15 million people, I can assure that the ramifications to the country could almost unravel our society as a whole. There would be runs on banks, no respect for law, people would start looting, commiting crimes, there would be widespread panic, This ripple effect would spread to the entire world most likely, currency would be of no use, It would be a royal shit storm...... :blink:

:huh: All of this from one 4 foot long bomb.......[/b]

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the koreans demanded bilateral talks w/ us, and we declined that... what do u guys think, right move, wrong move???

i feel we need to get china, japan, south korea, and russia together w/ us to do the trick, but the are rejecting that all to hell... i'm very torn on what the hell we can do...
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[quote]the koreans demanded bilateral talks w/ us, and we declined that... what do u guys think, right move, wrong move???

i feel we need to get china, japan, south korea, and russia together w/ us to do the trick, but the are rejecting that all to hell... i'm very torn on what the hell we can do...[/quote]

I think that we should comprimise on that fact and meet with the N Koreans and the Chinese. China is critical in using leverage on N Korea, and without China N Korea would crumble from within, because China provides most of their aid , support, and energy.

CHina needs to realize also, that Nuclear fallout drifts and that if N Korea nukes South Korea that shit is going to drift into China as well.[/b]
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We will go the UN as usual,yada,yada,yada,ask them and the fucking french,germans who we whooped and helped develope to use sanctions on him.
Then after that we will impose cutting off his assets,food to his people,fuel oil,then he will run a threat blitzgrieg on the media. If he does any threat with weapons he will be taken out full strength,him,his weapons,his army before he can do anything.
We do still have thee largest the strongest military and have more nukes than he does. 4? try the thousands we have stored,plus the nuke subs parked off in the ocean waiting for the word. It will only take one sub to flatten them.


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North Korea tends to do this whenever they are looking for political leverage...And to be bought off. The fact that it coincides with the latest public debate about Iran...is no coincidence.

I do believe these guys are unpredictable...But I can't say I'm upset about them or Iran standing up the the heavy hand of the U.S. If American foreign policy had its way, no one else would have the capability for nuclear power OR heavy weapons...And I'm not sure it's all for safety's sake. There might be a little something there about controlling global trade and economy.

The thing that gets me is statements that developing nuclear technology will isolate these countries from the global economy, when it seems like the opposite is true. After all...It was that technological gap that seemed to get China, India and Pakistan into the mix as far as being a global consideration.

The secret underlying game in all of this is that I'm sure China and Russia have the situation well in hand, and they have alot more to lose, because the proximity of a war would affect them in a bad way...

But these second tier powers don't mind seeing the United States have to attack or back down, or pony up some more $$$ and drive that deficit just a little bit higher. Each distraction gives them time to claw further at the gap, and makes their positions as trade allies more relevant.

The same would go for the attitude in most of Europe. Sure...They like an amount of stability in the global landscape, but that sure isn't stopping the EU from trying to get into position to be the next superpower. Unifying their currency was only the first steps...

Besides...In the end, it's not N. Korea who is threatening to attack. It's not Iran that is threatening to attack. They are simply exercising their sovereign right to decide their own fate...And they are willing to fight for the right to do that. They really don't have alot to lose, when their other option is to continue to be second-class citizens in trade and economy.

It's a huge political poker game out there...And while no one wants a nuclear war, everyone would love to see their position improve.

Just a foreign perspective...From one of your friendly neighbours to the north. (Who have nuclear technology, but are far more concerned with our economy)

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It's so great that Kim Jong Il has all these freaking US movies and yet, HE CANNOT PROVIDE ELECTRICITY TO HIS COUNTRY! North Korea is in the dark all the time, it's like they are living in the damn 17th century.

Telling you from experience (lived in S. Korea from Aug. 2003 to Aug. 2004), the threat is pretty real for the South Koreans, but no action will come of it. North Korea will cease to be a country if they touch a hair on the South Koreans head. As for an invasion of the US, it's laughable. Kim Jong Il is crazy, but he's not to the point of zero intelligence. He knows that China, Russia, Japan, as well as us will be all over his ass. He can't wipe us all out.
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