Lawman Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Some Muslim scholars point out that "The Qur'an says that Allah gave the Land of Israel to the Jews and will restore them to it at the End of Days" [4]. Shaykh Abdul Hadi Palazzi cites the Quran to support this view: "Pharaoh sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [[[Allah]]] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]." <Qur'an, "Night Journey," 17:100-104> "And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" <Qur'an, 5:20-21> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Joseph Campbell says: [img]http://photos1.blogger.com/img/162/1473/320/Joseph%20Campbell.jpg[/img] very interesting... what implications does this have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 None.... People only see what they want to in the Quaran, same as w/ the bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted September 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 [quote name='#22' date='Sep 25 2005, 12:14 PM']Joseph Campbell says: [img]http://photos1.blogger.com/img/162/1473/320/Joseph%20Campbell.jpg[/img] very interesting... what implications does this have? [right][post="156309"][/post][/right][/quote] From what I have read, he has been unjustly accused of anti-semitism but he wasn't hostile to Jews, but rather to Yahweh and the Yahwehist religions that elevated a tribal god to a universal deity. He was infatuated with the German culture and myth of germanic-lore. He was impressed at the beggining of Nazism (fasism) until he realized it was not about the individual (see Marge Schott). Additionally, he was a pacifist, wanting to keep the US out of WWII; these examples are probably what lead to these accussations. Your reference probably deals with his stance on organized religion, with some accussing him of attacking organized religions. but, I was when I found this; contrary to other language in the Quran regarding anything with the Jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 The Quran is an ancient text and should be read as such. Martin Luther wrote premises on the jews which made Hitler look polite. I really like Joseph Campbell and I think he unfairly receives bad publicity because he says what he perceives to be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 [i][b]However in the Quran' the land of the Jews and Abraham is actually where Present day Yemen is on the Saudi Arabian Penninsula and not where Present day Israel is[/b][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scales Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 There is mention of this in the King James Bible. Squish the continents together and you will see that Israel is the cradle of the world, the middle, Eden, America needs to stay the fuck out of Israel.. Israel and the Gaza Strip belong to the jews. ANTI-IMPERIALIST FOR LIFE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scales Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Sep 25 2005, 01:52 PM'][i][b]However in the Quran' the land of the Jews and Abraham is actually where Present day Yemen is on the Saudi Arabian Penninsula and not where Present day Israel is[/b][/i] [right][post="156358"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Who redrew the Boundaries? ANTI-IMPERIALIST FOR LIFE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scales Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 And yah I LOVE JOSEPH CAMPBELL!!! almost as much as Marvin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 how is saying that Israel [u]and[/u] the gaza strip belonging to the Jews ANTI-imperialist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 [i][b]Scales Drop the Anti -- The position you are taking is "Imperialist" if anything[/b][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scales Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 How so....america's leaders want the Palestineans in Gaza? When it belongs to the Jews.... ANTI-IMPERIALIST FOR LIFE. I am against IMPERIALISM....meddleing where our nose doesn't belong...LIKE WE DID IN THE PHILLIPINES...Like the U.K and AMERICA have done for a Very long time. IMPERIALISM is wrong.... IF WE WERENT SUCH AN IMPERIALIST COUNTRY THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO 9/11. So i say ANTI-IMPERIALIST FOR LIFE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Israel is there Because of Theo Herzl and Brit's Empire Dreams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scales Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 [quote name='#22' date='Sep 25 2005, 07:22 PM']Israel is there Because of Theo Herzl and Brit's [b]Empire Dreams[/b] [right][post="157275"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Exactly, an example of IMPERIALISM. Don't fuck with Israel. ANTI-IMPERIALIST FOR LIFE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Britain secured land from the Palestinians For the Jewish State Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scales Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 So i ask you.....is Imperialism wrong. Do you still disagree with "ANTI-IMPERIALIST FOR LIFE?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Did I disagree? It's all subjective, of course Know what I'm sayin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nati Ice Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 [quote name='#22' date='Sep 25 2005, 12:23 PM']Martin Luther wrote premises on the jews which made Hitler look polite. [right][post="156338"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] hmmmm... ive never heard of this, any more info on this, or link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scales Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 As far as the End of Days goes....It will be just these end of days.....Humans are far too interesting to be wiped out for eternity. "To see a world in a grain of sand, and a heaven in a wildflower, hold infinity in the palm of your hand, and eternity in an hour." --William Blake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scales Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 [quote name='Nati Ice' date='Sep 25 2005, 07:37 PM']hmmmm... ive never heard of this, any more info on this, or link? [right][post="157300"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Could be wrong, but i think he was talking about Martin Luther the Leader of the Protestant reformation, not Martin Luther King civil rights activist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scales Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Sep 25 2005, 06:38 PM'][i][b]Scales Drop the Anti -- The position you are taking is "Imperialist" if anything[/b][/i] [right][post="157230"][/post][/right][/quote] In order to progress those born under the sign of Leo must be able to verbalize when they make a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scales Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 [quote name='#22' date='Sep 25 2005, 07:37 PM']Did I disagree? It's all subjective, of course Know what I'm sayin? [right][post="157299"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] C O P O U T but the statement was more for our Militantly Agnostic LEO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Scales...[img]http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/8493/stupidposts5qs3zr.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scales Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 See what i mean? My moms a LEO, I know how they operate...I'ts like pulling fucking teeth to get them to admit their wrong. They rarley do... Little Princes and Princesses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 [i][b]I will speak slowly and I doubt you will still understand but here goes Imperialism carved out an Israeli state for the Jews after WWII, to do this they stole land and exiled most of the Palestinians who were living there from their homes. This state of Israel is still there and they use the same tactics of Aparthied that the Dutch used in South Africa to oppress the Palestinians. To take an anti-imperialist position one would then want to stop the state of Israel and return the land to the rightful owners (palestinians who had it taken from them through imperialism, and many are still alive) Now I understand you are trying to be funny.... by acting retarded (at least I hope you are pretending) but get a clue[/b][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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