Guest #22 Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Favorite Ball Player of all time. I think he should definately be in, just not first ballot. [img]http://www.vintagebb.com/momdad/peterose/clark.jpg[/img] 6-Time All Star, awesome hitter, near perfect fielder (.992 lifetime FLD%). Best all-around first baseman in a long time. [url="http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=clarkwi02"]http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pl...php?p=clarkwi02[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 I remember when he and McGuire were rookies. Will Clark had most of the press but that soon changed. Great player but won't get in right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Thanks for responding. On a side note: do you think McGwire should get in (since its not a question of if he will or won't)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 [quote name='#22' date='Mar 9 2005, 03:34 PM']Thanks for responding. On a side note: do you think McGwire should get in (since its not a question of if he will or won't)? [right][post="59340"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] If he was only using enhancements that were legal at the time...yes. If he was using banned substances ...no. I think it's a fairly black or white issue, just like with gambling and Pete Rose. But with Rose, he didn't gamble as a player so he should get in. If McGuire took steroids as a hitting instructor should he be kept out.....no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 I agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~mroby30~ Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 I think mcgwire should get in regardless, he was a great player, steroids don't help hand-eye coordination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~mroby30~ Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 none of those guys are perfect we aren't either so just give em a break, should pete rose not be in cause he gambled? or babe ruth because he was a drunk? i think they should get in based on performance on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 [quote name='~mroby30~' date='Mar 9 2005, 07:46 PM']I think mcgwire should get in regardless, he was a great player, steroids don't help hand-eye coordination. [right][post="59519"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] I agree. Same thing with Barry. He can HIT the ball better than anyone else in the past 20 years (even Ichiro), and his Discipline at the Plate is insane. BUT, he hits the ball a lot further thanks to the juice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Just for a minute let's all do the bump [img]http://www.nofear.org/images/mc_hammer.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Claptonrocks Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Clark was a good hitter average wise ( .303 ) The problem is that he couldnt stay healthy... missed many games and that led to below average lifetime totals for homers ( 284 ) rbi's ( 1200 ) and hits ( 2100 ) these are not HOF numbers for a first basemen imo..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 [quote name='sean' date='Mar 9 2005, 05:39 PM']If he was only using enhancements that were legal at the time...yes. If he was using banned substances ...no. I think it's a fairly black or white issue, just like with gambling and Pete Rose. But with Rose, he didn't gamble as a player so he should get in. If McGuire took steroids as a hitting instructor should he be kept out.....no. [right][post="59345"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 [quote name='~mroby30~' date='Mar 9 2005, 08:46 PM']I think mcgwire should get in regardless, he was a great player, steroids don't help hand-eye coordination. [right][post="59519"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] No, but it can turn what would have been a fly ball out into a home run, and pad slugging, RBI, hits, BA, OBP, runs, and, of course, HR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Also, he was a pretty good fielder (not J.T. Snow good, but good). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natethesnake Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 Check this out, and I think it pretty clearly shows that Clark is not a HoF player. A great player yes, but not a Hall of Famer. [url="http://www.baseballreference.com/c/clarkwi02.shtml"]http://www.baseballreference.com/c/clarkwi02.shtml[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Dan_Bengals_FL- Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 [quote name='Claptonrocks' date='Jul 11 2005, 06:56 AM']Clark was a good hitter average wise ( .303 ) The problem is that he couldnt stay healthy... missed many games and that led to below average lifetime totals for homers ( 284 ) rbi's ( 1200 ) and hits ( 2100 ) these are not HOF numbers for a first basemen imo..... [right][post="113043"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Well put. I don't think he belongs in the hall. He was a very good player, but not Hall of Fame caliber in my opinion. By the way, I also don't think Palmerio belongs in the hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Claptonrocks Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 [quote name='Dan_Bengals_NJ' date='Jul 20 2005, 01:07 PM']Well put. I don't think he belongs in the hall. He was a very good player, but not Hall of Fame caliber in my opinion. By the way, I also don't think Palmerio belongs in the hall. [right][post="116481"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Palmero has had a wonderful carreer... He's one of just 4 ballplayers to achieve 3000 hits and hit over 500 homers.... He's a lock for the HOF and rightfully so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Dan_Bengals_FL- Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 [quote name='Claptonrocks' date='Jul 20 2005, 03:33 PM']Palmero has had a wonderful carreer... He's one of just 4 ballplayers to achieve 3000 hits and hit over 500 homers.... He's a lock for the HOF and rightfully so.... [right][post="116511"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Sorry Clapton, but I have to disagree. I think he will make the Hall, and I think he has had a good career, but if I had a vote I wouldn't rate him a HOF player. He has the stats on the surface, but he has never done better than 5th in a MVP voting and only got to the All-Star game 4 times in his career, never as a starter. I have never thought of him as a dominant player, and have never gone out of my way to watch a game that he has played in. He also benefited from playing in very friendly left-handed hitters parks. The only thing memorable he has ever done in my mind is a Viagra commercial. Sorry but I think of the Hall as something really special. A place where you truely have to be dominant at your position in your era. Palmerio was never that. I want the names to match-up to players like Mays, Aaron, Ruth, Mantle, etc. and Palmerio is far from that. He's got the surface stats and he had a very good-career, but not a Hall-worthy one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Fuck it. The Hall of Fame doesn't really mean anything without Pete Rose anyway (espcially since cheaters like Niekro and scumbags like Cobb are in). Cheating is PART OF THE GAME. I say Palmiero definately gets in, though. and there aren't many names who match up with Aaron, Mays, Ruth, Mantle, McCovey, or Bonds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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