WHO ARE YOU VOTING FOR?????????????

[Guest bengalrick]

Why was it below the belt when Kerry did it, but not when Edwards did it in the VP debate? In fact, Chaney even thank Edwards for his kind words.  But Kerry does the same thing and he gets his head bit off.  Is that another flip-flop by the Bush adminstration?

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LLLOOOLLL, you were attentive at the vp debates, huh??!!??

the moderator asked them about his daughter, and cheneys ONLY answer to that question was something like "yes, i appreciate the compliement..." then the mod asked if he was done and he nodded

yeah, cheney was all over answering that... it was a low blow (very old news though) and shouldn't have been done... point blank..

now what do u got for me???

[hiyall69]

Well, people see stem cell research in different ways. I, myself, find it sick. I would not want some innocent baby to die, just so that I can extend my own life. That is just selfish, and disturbing, and I do not want to live in such a world.

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What are you talking about? You wouldn't be killing anything. If you don't give the life to someone else, then these stem cells are going to die anyway. Why not but them to good use?

[hiyall69]

LLLOOOLLL, you were attentive at the vp debates, huh??!!??

the moderator asked them about his daughter, and cheneys ONLY answer to that question was something like "yes, i appreciate the compliement..." then the mod asked if he was done and he nodded

yeah, cheney was all over answering that... it was a low blow (very old news though) and shouldn't have been done... point blank..

now what do u got for me???

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Hmm, actually, Edwards did bring it up. Review your tapes.

now what do u got for me???

Dork

[Guest bengalrick]

Hmm, actually, Edwards did bring it up. Review your tapes.

now what do u got for me???

Dork

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debates.org

IFILL: Senator Edwards, 90 seconds.

EDWARDS: Yes. Let me say first, on an issue that the vice president said in his last answer before we got to this question, talking about tax policy, the country needs to know that under what they have put in place and want to put in place, a millionaire sitting by their swimming pool, collecting their statements to see how much money they're making, make their money from dividends, pays a lower tax rate than the men and women who are receiving paychecks for serving on the ground in Iraq.

Now, they may think that's right. John Kerry and I do not.

We don't just value wealth, which they do. We value work in this country. And it is a fundamental value difference between them and us.

Now, as to this question, let me say first that I think the vice president and his wife love their daughter. I think they love her very much. And you can't have anything but respect for the fact that they're willing to talk about the fact that they have a gay daughter, the fact that they embrace her. It's a wonderful thing. And there are millions of parents like that who love their children, who want their children to be happy.

And I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, and so does John Kerry.

I also believe that there should be partnership benefits for gay and lesbian couples in long-term, committed relationships.

But we should not use the Constitution to divide this country.

No state for the last 200 years has ever had to recognize another state's marriage.

This is using the Constitution as a political tool, and it's wrong.

IFILL: New question, but same subject.

As the vice president mentioned, John Kerry comes from the state of Massachusetts, which has taken as big a step as any state in the union to legalize gay marriage. Yet both you and Senator Kerry say you oppose it.

Are you trying to have it both ways?

EDWARDS: No. I think we've both said the same thing all along.

We both believe that -- and this goes onto the end of what I just talked about -- we both believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.

But we also believe that gay and lesbians and gay and lesbian couples, those who have been in long-term relationships, deserve to be treated respectfully, they deserve to have benefits.

For example, a gay couple now has a very difficult time, one, visiting the other when they're in the hospital, or, for example, if, heaven forbid, one of them were to pass away, they have trouble even arranging the funeral.

I mean, those are not the kind of things that John Kerry and I believe in. I suspect the vice president himself does not believe in that.

But we don't -- we do believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman.

And I want to go back, if I can, to the question you just asked, which is this constitutional amendment.

I want to make sure people understand that the president is proposing a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage that is completely unnecessary.

Under the law of this country for the last 200 years, no state has been required to recognize another state's marriage.

Let me just be simple about this. My state of North Carolina would not be required to recognize a marriage from Massachusetts, which you just asked about.

There is absolutely no purpose in the law and in reality for this amendment. It's nothing but a political tool. And it's being used in an effort to divide this country on an issue that we should not be dividing America on.

We ought to be talking about issues like health care and jobs and what's happening in Iraq, not using an issue to divide this country in a way that's solely for political purposes. It's wrong.

IFILL: Mr. Vice President, you have 90 seconds.

CHENEY: Well, Gwen, let me simply thank the senator for the kind words he said about my family and our daughter. I appreciate that very much.

IFILL: That's it?

CHENEY: That's it.

alright, edwards brought it up... you were right, i was wrong... but now that we got that out of the way, your still an idiot... You just proved to me that Edwards is as a big of a tool as kerry...

the difference between one and the other, is that cheney obviously didn't want to talk about it... and he made it VERY VERY clear when he wasted his 90 seconds to close the subject... then kerry thought it would piss them off, so i brought it up while people are actually watching... few people watch the vp debates but most everyone watches the presidential debates... he was trying to get cheney to get mad and mess up...

btw, edwards is a fuck in my book now too... good job in converting me!!!

did u call me dork??!!!??? just to let you know BITCH, you can cuss on this board and anyone that uses the word dork, reguardless, is either in 3rd grade or a pussy...

you have zero respect in my book and its not b/c of your party choice... there are many people in this board and in real life that are completly different than me, but if you come w/ facts and reasonable opinions, i can actually learn something from them (whether i want to or not)

[hiyall69]

Those who cuss, I don't take seriously. If you can't get your point across without cussing, then you are nothing to me.

BTW, my party is Republican. However, Bush is not the man for this job.

Sure he has defended this country well. But what else has he done. NOTHING. As president you must manage this country. And just like his oil company, he has done nothing but manage this country into a "dry well". He is spending money that we don't have. Where our kids are going to have to repay. 87 billion to Iraq? Why? Iraq didn't threaten us, he didn't bomb us, and he didn't have connection to Al Qaeda.

He should have finished off OBL before going after Saddam. In fact, if he wanted to start a war it should have been with N. Korea. They provided the biggest threat to America at the time. Try to reason your way around that one.

I don't agree with Bush trying to run this country on his religions. He wants to overturn the Roe Vs Wade and change the constitution to ban gay marriage.

Yes I know, he only wants to clarify. Bull!

Dork! I'm a 3rd grade pussy. Dork!

Must have struck a chord with the "Dork" comment, in order for you to come back and cuss at me. Just trying to be civil Dork.

[hiyall69]

Let me clarify too. I don't like Kerry either, but I can't vote for Nadar. That would be a wasted vote.

[Guest oldschooler]

Those who cuss, I don't take seriously.  If you can't get your point across without cussing, then you are nothing to me. 

BTW, my party is Republican.  However, Bush is not the man for this job. 

Sure he has defended this country well.  But what else has he done.  NOTHING.  As president you must manage this country.  And just like his oil company, he has done nothing but manage this country into a "dry well".  He is spending money that we don't have. Where our kids are going to have to repay.  87 billion to Iraq?  Why? Iraq didn't threaten us, he didn't bomb us, and he didn't have connection to Al Qaeda. 

He should have finished off OBL before going after Saddam.  In fact, if he wanted to start a war it should have been with N. Korea.  They provided the biggest threat to America at the time.  Try to reason your way around that one.

I don't agree with Bush trying to run this country on his religions.  He wants to overturn the Roe Vs Wade and change the constitution to ban gay marriage. 

Yes I know, he only wants to clarify.  Bull!

Dork!  I'm a 3rd grade pussy.  Dork!

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Bush didn`t "go after" Saddam.

Saddam had 17 U.N. resolutions placed against him.

The U.N> (France, Germany and Russia included) all signed

the 17th resolution (I like to call them empty threats) in 2002.

And after 9/11 the world had changed. We had to deal with

Saddam differently than he had been dealt with the 11 years prior to 9/11.

HE could have avoided all of this !

N. Korea wasn`t a threat then either.

They signed a treaty and agreement a few years back.

They took money from us (a bribe) to halt all nuclear ambitions.

AFTER they took the money they decided that they were going to

go ahead with Nuclear Programs and will talk about halting them AGAIN

if we pay them MORE MONEY !

As far as Roe vs Wade...I think something has to be done.

To many people are relying on abortion as birth control.

And gay marriages....well a line has to be drawn somewhere.

It was drawn thousands of years ago...but gay people want to

wipe it out and have it re-drawn.

That would open the door for all kinds of freaks.

They should have civil unions and be happy. (but they want to be equal)

When they can have sex and have babies then they deserve the

same rights as MARRIED PEOPLE.

[Ben]

[Guest oldschooler]

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ha.

If they allow gays to marry then why not bi-sexuals to

marry 1 person from each gender ?

Why not pedophiles ? ...They could claim to be

"born that way".

How about some dude that is in love with his farm animal ?

They would be opening a door for all kinds of freaks.

[STRAYCAT]

What a sad sack of shit he he is. Always posing for the camera. He was planning on being political and out front to get his slack jaw elected for something.

[Guest bengalrick]

Those who cuss, I don't take seriously.  If you can't get your point across without cussing, then you are nothing to me.

BTW, my party is Republican.  However, Bush is not the man for this job. 

Sure he has defended this country well.  But what else has he done.  NOTHING.  As president you must manage this country.  And just like his oil company, he has done nothing but manage this country into a "dry well".  He is spending money that we don't have. Where our kids are going to have to repay.  87 billion to Iraq?  Why? Iraq didn't threaten us, he didn't bomb us, and he didn't have connection to Al Qaeda.

my bad then about the cussing... didn't know it was your sticking point to who you listen to... i can assure you, i won't cuss in this exchange...

let me get this straight, he defended the country well, but he's not worth another vote... what else mattered after 9/11 and those six or so months... the ONLY thing that mattered was that we were being comforted and protected by a great leader... the question that we all have to think about, is how will George W Bush be looked at by our children... do you truely think that after this war is over, we will be still be adding to our deficit??? That debt will be no different than WWII, vietnam, and all the other small "fights" that we are paying for still... do i like paying for my "parents" debts... no, but i'd much rather have a country to live in, and have the safeties and freedoms that we enjoy today... i praise every soldier that has fought for our country, reguardless if i think it was a "just" war... btw, i realize the war has no end in sight at this point, but it will come and we will not be occupying iraq for ever

He should have finished off OBL before going after Saddam.  In fact, if he wanted to start a war it should have been with N. Korea.  They provided the biggest threat to America at the time.  Try to reason your way around that one.

i have said this many times, and i'll say it again... IF WE WOULD HAVE PUT 10,000 + TROOPS IN THE MOUNTAINS OF TORA BORA, THERE WOULD BE A MASSACRE... ASK RUSSIA IN THE 1980'S AND LANDON JOHNSON IN THE 60'S IN VIETNAM... there are caves all throughout those mountains, and there would have been a billion bobby traps... i hate that he is not sitting behind a cell getting harrassed by our troops right now, but he isn't... one thing i am happy about, is he couldn't duplicate Spain, and have a terrorist attack right before the election, and effectively change them to a socialist government and pulled them out of the war that they stood by us for so long (they are the real p*ssies!!!)

I don't agree with Bush trying to run this country on his religions.  He wants to overturn the Roe Vs Wade and change the constitution to ban gay marriage. 

Yes I know, he only wants to clarify.  Bull!

heres irony for you... Jane Roe is now speaking around the country... at PRO LIFE speaches...

I would rather be led by god than what the majority of americans want... Kerry just conducts a poll and thats his stance... no offense to anyone, but there are alot of idiots in this world... after being in sales for a couple of years, that was BLATENLY obvioius!!! Its sad to say, but it sucks that alot of those idiots votes will count towards electing the most powerful leader on this planet... very scary... btw, there are idiots on both sides (rep and dem) and every wake of life... i will not defend that!!!

"The polls changed again today... should i move my stance or wait another day to see if it changes back..." this would probably be the hardest decisions that kerry would be making... that or if he should risk the botex injections again...

btw, i will be voting to make sure none of that liberal bs is going to be happening in the great state of kentucky... no gay marriage in KY, you can just about guarentee that... i believe its around 70% against gay marriage in KY... i personally believe in traditional marriage, and to be frank, it sickens me to see two dudes kissing...

[hiyall69]

my bad then about the cussing... didn't know it was your sticking point to who you listen to... i can assure you, i won't cuss in this exchange...

let me get this straight, he defended the country well, but he's not worth another vote... what else mattered after 9/11 and those six or so months... the ONLY thing that mattered was that we were being comforted and protected by a great leader... the question that we all have to think about, is how will George W Bush be looked at by our children... do you truely think that after this war is over, we will be still be adding to our deficit??? That debt will be no different than WWII, vietnam, and all the other small "fights" that we are paying for still... do i like paying for my "parents" debts... no, but i'd much rather have a country to live in, and have the safeties and freedoms that we enjoy today... i praise every soldier that has fought for our country, reguardless if i think it was a "just" war... btw, i realize the war has no end in sight at this point, but it will come and we will not be occupying iraq for ever

i have said this many times, and i'll say it again... IF WE WOULD HAVE PUT 10,000 + TROOPS IN THE MOUNTAINS OF TORA BORA, THERE WOULD BE A MASSACRE... ASK RUSSIA IN THE 1980'S AND LANDON JOHNSON IN THE 60'S IN VIETNAM... there are caves all throughout those mountains, and there would have been a billion bobby traps... i hate that he is not sitting behind a cell getting harrassed by our troops right now, but he isn't... one thing i am happy about, is he couldn't duplicate Spain, and have a terrorist attack right before the election, and effectively change them to a socialist government and pulled them out of the war that they stood by us for so long (they are the real p*ssies!!!)

heres irony for you... Jane Roe is now speaking around the country... at PRO LIFE speaches...

I would rather be led by god than what the majority of americans want... Kerry just conducts a poll and thats his stance... no offense to anyone, but there are alot of idiots in this world... after being in sales for a couple of years, that was BLATENLY obvioius!!! Its sad to say, but it sucks that alot of those idiots votes will count towards electing the most powerful leader on this planet... very scary... btw, there are idiots on both sides (rep and dem) and every wake of life... i will not defend that!!!

"The polls changed again today... should i move my stance or wait another day to see if it changes back..." this would probably be the hardest decisions that kerry would be making... that or if he should risk the botex injections again...

btw, i will be voting to make sure none of that liberal bs is going to be happening in the great state of kentucky...  no gay marriage in KY, you can just about guarentee that... i believe its around 70% against gay marriage in KY... i personally believe in traditional marriage, and to be frank, it sickens me to see two dudes kissing...

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Bush still hasn't managed this country. He has shown no management skills whatsoever. As president of the United States of America, you must show you can manage something. He hasn't managed anything in my opinion. He has ran first his oil business into the ground and now the decifit is getting larger.

You're against gay marriage? (I married, straight marriage) Let me ask you something, how does two dudes getting married personally affect you as a hetrosexual? It sickens me too when two dudes kiss, but you know that's their choice. If they can get someone to marry them then so be it. The government should not push their personal beliefs on the rest of the country. This is suppose to be a free country, yet gays don't get the same rigthts as everyone else. They outcased by the rest of the country because people just don't understand.

I place this issue along the same line as women voting issue in the early 1900s. Big controversy. When your generation dies off, you can pretty much garauntee gay marriages will be allowed and accepted. With each new generation there is more of a tolerance and understanding of homosexuality.

I asked you a pretty big question about N. Korea and yet you didn't answer, does that mean that you agree with me on this issue. I never said anything about sending 10,000 troops into Tora Bora, just said that he should have gotten OBL first, or go after N Korea. N Korea poses the biggest threat. Can you explain the reasoning about that.

Also, I would like to know why Bush declared war on Iraq because of WMDs and then declared mission accomplished when Saddam was captured? Obviously, mission isn't accomplished. Still no WMDs and there have been more troops killed after Saddam's capture than before.

[hiyall69]

Oh yeah

Jane Roe, okay maybe she is doing Pro-Life speeches but that doesn't mean that she wants the woman's right to be removed. She is just trying to educate woman to inform them of their decision, hopefully, influencing them to choose life.

BTW I'm Pro-Choice. But if one of my girlfriends would have gotten pregnant, I would have stepped up and be the man that I am suppose to be. However, I was lucky never had to make that decision. My wife and I don't have any children yet. but will be by 2006, after we are out of college.

[Guest BengalBacker]

How exactly can Bush account for the 5 TRILLION dollar surplus that was left to him, and now we are back in the hole 3 TRILLION.

And that is a fact.

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Uhhh.... no it isn't.

Kerry claimed Bush "has taken a $5.6 trillion surplus and turned it into deficits as far as the eye can see." But the country never actually had a $5.6 trillion surplus. The projected surplus Kerry was referring to was a 10-year figure that was already made dubious by a weakening economy and a pent-up Congressional urge to spend. The largest annual surplus actually realized was $236 billion in fiscal year 2000, which ended a month before Bush was elected.

http://www.factcheck.org/article281.html

[hiyall69]

Uhhh.... no it isn't.

Kerry claimed Bush "has taken a $5.6 trillion surplus and turned it into deficits as far as the eye can see." But the country never actually had a $5.6 trillion surplus. The projected surplus Kerry was referring to was a 10-year figure that was already made dubious by a weakening economy and a pent-up Congressional urge to spend. The largest annual surplus actually realized was $236 billion in fiscal year 2000, which ended a month before Bush was elected.

http://www.factcheck.org/article281.html

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I agree with this, however, there was a balanced budget before Bush, and now there is something like a $400 billion in the red budget.

What happened Bush? Can't manage a budget?

[eskimo]

if i could vote, it would be for bush.

[hiyall69]

if i could vote, it would be for bush.

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Could you explain why? Just curious. Not looking to bad mouthing you.

Truth be told, I don't want either in office. I'd rather have Reagan back in office. but that ain't going to happen.

[Guest BengalBacker]

I agree with this, however, there was a balanced budget before Bush, and now there is something like a $400 billion in the red budget. 

What happened Bush?  Can't manage a budget?

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See there were these planes hijacked by terrorists on September 11, 2001.

There was also a recession already starting before he was elected because the bottom had dropped out of the technology boom, which by the way, Clinton was just in the right place at the right time to reap the glory from that economy...

[hiyall69]

See there were these planes hijacked by terrorists on September 11, 2001.

There was also a recession already starting before he was elected because the bottom had dropped out of the technology boom, which by the way, Clinton was just in the right place at the right time to reap the glory from that economy...

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Ok, but that doesn't explain why he decided to spend more money. When things are going bad at my house, I don't spend more money. I cut back.

[Guest BengalBacker]

Ok, but that doesn't explain why he decided to spend more money.  When things are going bad at my house, I don't spend more money.  I cut back.

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I agree we need more cuts in spending, but the things I cited are the major problems right now. Plus, what spending can he cut without the democrats screaming bloody murder?

[hiyall69]

Clinton reaped the rewards because he actually set a budget and ran the country within that budget.

You see a budget is something you set so that you can limit your spending. Bush has yet to get inside the budget he designed. Did he not assign a big enough budget? If not, then why not? He flat out hasn't lived within the means of his budget. Shades of the oil company that bellied up.

[Guest BengalBacker]

Clinton reaped the rewards because he actually set a budget and ran the country within that budget. 

You see a budget is something you set so that you can limit your spending.  Bush has yet to get inside the budget he designed.  Did he not assign a big enough budget? If not, then why not?  He flat out hasn't lived within the means of his budget.  Shades of the oil company that bellied up.

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If it were only that simple.

[hiyall69]

If it were only that simple.

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Oh but it is.

You set aside the money you need to fulfill the different programs and to pay the federal employees troops and such. Then you determine you the amount of income you need to cover these.

Bush may have done this but then he decided to give tax money back to the people(I liked that), cuts taxes(Liked that too), goes to war with Iraq with N.Korea was the bigger threat and then decides to spend 87 billion to build Iraq. The next thing I know Bush is $400 billion past his budget. By far the worst of any president in comparision with the standard of living for the others.

It's just my opinion that Bush is mortgaging the future so that he can live with bottomless pockets.

Oh by the way, Bush has spent more time in Camp David than anyother president! Why? Running from his responsibilities to manage a country?

[STRAYCAT]

Hanoi Boy John! TRAITOR!

[hiyall69]

Would you like to explain that reasoning? Or are you just going to leave it like that?