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bo nix sucks...

i saw the SSL certificate renewed automatically cound be an issue there... ill see if there are any that show where i can see.

so based on my boredome and data i yanked about last season progression, pass rush is my vote.

found it, wasnt solely missed tackled leading to many more yards.. but it was a factor here is the average rushing yards per game for each team as well. this is DVOA stats at work here.... week 1: Browns averaged 97, we gave up 49 week 2: jacksonville averaged 117 we gave up 139, worse than the average by 22 week 3: vikings averaged 108, we gave up 169, worse than average by 61 yards week 4: denver averaged 118, we gave up 186, worse by 68 yards week 5: detroit averaged 120, we gave up118, better than average week 6: green bay averaged 118, we gave up 153, worse by 55 yards week 7: pitt averaged 101, we gave up 147, worse by 46 yards Game 8: Jets averaged 123, we gave up 254, worse by 131 yards, jesus christ Game 9: Bears averaged 141, we gave up 283, worse by 142, god damn Game 10: Pitt averaged 101, we gave up 111, worse by 10 yards.. a reasonable outing Game 11: Pats averaged 129, we gave up 102, better than averaged by 27 yards, a GOOD outing.. Game 12: Ravens averaged 156, we gave up 123, better by 33 yards, a good outing Game 13: Bills averaged 155, we gave up 183, worse by 28 yards Game 14: Ravens averaged 156, we gave up 189, worse by 33 yards Game 15: Miami averaged 120, we gave up 129, worse by 9 yards. Game 16: Cards averaged 93, we gave up 42, better by 51 yards Game 17: Browns averaged 97, we gave up 118, worse by 21 yards. So we did NOT become a good run defense by ant stretch,. we did stop being a fucking pathetic embarassing one... so thats something.. but lots of room for improvement there. First 9 games we gave up "over the average": 472 yards over average Last 8 games, we gave up over the average: -10 yards over average . so 10 yards UNDER the average, so an improvement of "rushing yards over average" from 472 yards over average to 10 yards under the average... Cherry picking would be to pluck the t2 worse games in the last 8 to make the stats more lopsided... the other post is not cherry picking.

does anyone have rushing yard data by game? was the stopping the run problem synonymous with the tackling problem?

last x games is only cherry picking if: the data isnt HALF THE DAMN SEASON and guys werent removed from the lineup. and key guys were rookies who clearly were learning on the job.... none of these things are cherry picked points in the real world. cherry picking is like "we we tackled really well against the nfc north so it should be fine" thats cherry picking.. is it cherry picking because you want to bitch about it for the next 6 months instead of seeing realistic data points that show it shouldnt really be a problem going forward.. Answer me this: how is showing growth, improvement and clear cut specific data, cherry picking? what data was left out that makes who the team is today, accurate and this data isnt? 3. do you not know what cherry picking means?

i think Tight end is improved by both the tackling (less yards after catch) and the pass rush (less time to scramble and find the tight end if the two good corners are on receivers the TE is the best candidate to get open regardless.

lots of things changed last season and lots of things... "grew" for lack of a better term. like some guys had to go, guys who were there and were fucking terrible in the first hald, CTB and Wilson both gone, so i have a hard time claiming who the defense was during their reign is who they were in week 18, thus not who they are "improving from" if we are going to ask this question, a realistic point of WHERE we are today and upgrading from that point may sway some of those answers. like Geno stone isnt on the roster next year, he led the team with the most, 26 missed tackle. both rookie LB were in the top 10 in the league also. i felt like they improved in the last half or third of the season as they settled in as well. lemme look at knight, he had 16 missed tackle. and only 5 in the last 9 games of the season, so 11 of his 16 missed tackles happened early and happened in less than half the season.. and i feel that a good enough sample size to extrapoalte as who he is now as a player.. from today, we arent impriving on a 16 missed tackled player in knight.. Carter came along a little slower, Carter has 18 missed tackles, he got HIS shit goether after game 10, which is roughly when he took over for logan or a game or two into it, carter has 4 missed tackles in the last 7 games, 14 in the first 10 games. so from 1.4 per game, down to .57 per game.. 66% less.. Jordan battle: 17 missed tackles.. earlier transition, 6 missed tackles in the last 11 games... just over .5 per game like Carter... 11 in the first 6 games.. nearly 2 per game... a giant growth.. Geno Stone is the outlier in this rule, even more reason to be glad he is gon.e. he got WORSE as the season went on.. geno stone i think single handidly gave the team the "feel" of being dogshit tacklers all season... im going to break down all 11 guys since im bored here.. Stone missed only 5 tackles in the first 7 games..... he then proceeded to miss 18 tackles in the last 10 games.. nearly 2 per game... battle improved and stone took over the suck train. FULL LIST of others: BJ HILL: missed 2 tackles in the first 4 games, .5 per game... then missed 1 tackle in the last 13 games.... phenominal down th stretch TJ Slayton: 3 in the first 9, 1 in the last 8 games.. so wasnt bad either way, but last 8 games was not a problem. Trey missed 1 tackle in basically 5 games.. no issue there Shemar Stewrt mised 2 in his 5 games before injury and missed 1 in his final 3-4 games after injury so not an issue there either Myles murphy missed 4 in his first 8 games, and 2 in his last 9 games.. so cut the problem more than in half.. and was a non issue down the stretch DJ Tunerr 3 in his first 7, 2 in his last 10.. improved as well and wasnt a problem Dax Hill: missed 9 in his first 10 games, then only 1 in his last 7 games.. 90% improvement... a non issue down th stretch so just the addition by subtraction of losing geno stone, everyone elses data has us middle of the pack in missed tackles in the last 8 games of the season.. so im not sure id be sweating the missed tackle situation what so ever... we arent solving a 171 missed tackles problem. the stats are real, but the realistic version of who the players are going forward doesnt lend to assuming that happens again for any reason. thoguhts?

this year also feels, to me, like a sign of a good call not giving trey a long term deal, he was hurt every year, he played through it, missed some drives, played in pain, props for all hat,, but his body is breaking down, being locked into 30 mil for him next season would be pretty unpleasant. he would have been huge to have healthy this season.. but that difdnt work out.. time to move on unless you wanna milk a pick out of tag and trading him but at a tag number whos giving anything over a 4th?

yeah the end of a viable group of guys who are all worthless in the league as legit starters, trey hurt all year, Wilson traded for nothing, paid him to leave and got benched AGAIN in dallas, pratt sucks, ADG was the weak link we let walk anyway, CTB sucks, at the time he was trending up, he immediately trenede down like 3 games into that season.. Hil land Jenkins are legit starters they just arent stars.. hubbard retired, played hurt all year and sucked because of it.. 2024 was a year where we neede dsome youth to develop and get reps and move into bigger roles.. not only did they not get the reps, we played old wasted guys who sucked instead, so we still sucked and didnt develop anyone.. which is why Lou was kindly asked to relocate where he works. this year should have been half done last year, 400 guys also got hurt, record breaking levels of injuries.. which didnt help the progress, but still some steps we could have got out of the way last year we didnt get out of the way.. instead our DC trashed young players in the media like they were idiots, when he really jhust wanted to start his slow AF old washed vets he had.. soa half season into al golden and the defense getting on the same page Myles Murphy looks like a legit starting tallent, perhaps not a star or anything but a legit adult grown up first round pick productive useful DE..... if he has a good year next year,, and Dax continues his perfmance of being a top corner alongside DJ, all who failed under Lou... how long before the bengals get credit for firing lou for refusing to use good talent he was given? never, i assume. there are coaches who can take what they are given and get the best out of it and there are coaches with top tallent can be great.. and it seems lou is the second one. defiantly loudly so in the meetings last year from what i understand. pretty wild how these things dont leak within 24 hrs in the bengals organization, if Lou acted the way he did on the Jags there would be a news report about it before he got him that day.. it feels like Lou and also injuries, set back the defensive overhaul from the old group to a new group. anyone listen to logan wilsons podcast? he talk about his feeling of leaving and then geting benched right away in dallas? he seems confused at his skill level.

thats the math i was looking for.. drastic improvement but still falling short of reasonable... only potential missing data would be number of defensive snaps per team. *** found it they were middle of the pack.. was wondering if that was a compounding problem, like miss a tackle on 3rd down now you got 3 more down, etc etc etc... but nothing wild there stat wise.. the only consistency on defense has been inconsistency in staff, players, health etc. but those things should likely average like 20% drop in focus, efficiency in getting to guys properly to make tackles easier, focus on tackle vs your responsibilities and where others fucked up, etc.. so not a clean excuse, but its without question the "game of inches" is made a bit tougher with endless change in personnel and things of that nature. when were they inactive in free agency? lmao last 4 years defensive draft picks: Stewert - injured, we shall see Knight - great pick, learned fast, played faster once settled in starting as a rookie around a rookie and a disgruntled vet whose career is over who got traded and benched again. Carter - good pick, smart kid, moving positions took over headset helmet role, smart player, he needs to be your worst linebacker on a great defense, Jenkins - good pick, at worst a solid rotation guy, shown some flashes. Jackson - we shall see not much this year, Al doesnt seem to be a fan, could be a bad pick if that doesnt cahnge. Murphy - looked good to finish this year, was behind hubbard and trey rookie season, hurt last season, lou fired for not playing such players. looking like a good pick going forward Turner - phenominal pick Battle - good pick, got mistakes to clean up but also makes big plays. Dax - Looking like a great pick, finished the last 8 weeks or so as the 5th best cover corner in the league, found his home healthy and outside again. CTb - went downhill from average to real bad, bad pick Carter - non factor, below average or bad pick. also 2nd to last pick in 3rd round so... ya know...thats approaches special teams depth role player take a flyer territory spent 97% of the cap last year over 97% of the cap in 2024 95.55 of the cal in 2023 98.5% of the cap in 2022 97% of the cap in 2021.. bengals fan fiction at its finest.

Im not sure mendoza is an NFL caliber QB. he is one of those guys that like, maybe he can do real QB stuff.. but pop on the first highlight video on youtube of his.. its: snap, play action, step and hit first read which is a wide open receiver. in the first 10+ highlights he didnt make a single read, his first option is just wide open.. i actually havent even seen him look off a single route yet... he also seems like an assclown, but who doesnt these days. strong dalton vibes too with the short passes hive teammats run for amazing touchdowns.. but thats how it be sometimes.. great success, but im not sure a ton of it is based on him have exceptional skills or traits. will be fun to see... eh, pete carroll is a fucking twat.. they are idiots for hiring him, not for firing him.. hiring any HC over 65 who isnt andy reid is insane in 2025... this is cool. take the single pick of one draft, apply it to everything ever, pretend its real and rant about it... no one mentioned in this thread is getting drafted on traits.. woods isnt a traits prospect, no one mentioned is... very cool. im getting confused. tomlin had no say in the draft? no say in QBs? so he was fed up and left? or the steelers are a great organization? but neither of them could get an even decent QB for a decade? so is Tomlin a trash shit coach or is the steelers organization shitty and cant figure it out? Confused Steve Brule GIF by MOODMAN - Find & Share on GIPHYDiscover & share this Confused Steve Brule GIF by MOODMAN with everyone you know. GIPHY is how you search, share, discover, and create GIFs.

to be fair that apartment complex makes it insanely frustrating to pay the rent... according to a friend.

im not sure there is a scenario where its not new york no matter what..the fame and the money are great there, the market alone is worth a ton, if you have any success youre making double on outside income, the food and entertainment level is off the charts, and even if you fail, youre a top coordinator candidate or a big prize for a small market HC job after... it makes me wonder, id bet a 3 years stint in NYC would likely net you more than a 10 year run as HC in the AFCN division all monies from all sources considered... would be interesting.. team plays in NJ and you can live in NJ so avoiding NYC taxes is also ideal. there. im not sure "an owner willing to spend" is much of a problem in the nfl. its not like some teams are spending half the cap every year.. to recap, so harbaugh was a shit coach then i suppose? you know, since the front office is top notch with its infrastructure and franchise qb with a losing playoff record, if the team infratructure is top notch, and jackson is a franchise mvp qb... harbaugh is just a dogshit trash coach? is that what we are concluding? not being a dick or sarcastic... whats our thinking and thought here? fun data: all but 1 team spent 90% or more of the available cap space... and that single team, the lowest spender, was the patriots.. because they have all youth and cut all the dead weight... so i dont know who isnt spending out there....

another loyal franchise, def one of the best openings

really no idea how the browns can be listed... handcuffed cap for the next 3 years, the average HC tenure... thats a tough spot to walk into... if im a HC im not accepting less than 5 years so i at least get paid.

Interesting list here...

good to not be on this list....

Most dropepd passes, higher than youd expect but we did have a new QB every 2 games and the WR room had issues especially with flacco early on..

Bengals take the title for most missed tackles... my son said "bet if we had tomlin we wouldnt be missing tackles" he was incorrect... just thinking we could have been dead last still and missed like 40 less tackels and been like 11-6 prolly id like to tsee the game by game and see if that improved..

i think you took my comments the completel opposite of what i meant. im saying fast easy dumpoffs to TE's ARENT what we got hit with.. its Lamar jackson scrambles for 7 seconds and hits likely for 40yards and a TD after the secondary tried to cover for a long time. it sort of does, but not really.. unless i havent looked into it deep enough.. just comparing things to the league average isnt exactly the issue, thats still a final result vs other data, the final result isnt what i care about its what was the process before the final result... if the bengals gave up 300 field goals, and the average was 200 field goals... we suck against the average... but if the defense was put on the filed after a offensive turnover on thier own 10 yardline 285 times and we gave up 300 field goals and not TD's the defense was phenomenal, they didnt budge at all, the only better result is getting a turnover.. like burrows redzone pick 6's, just a pick there and the other team having 90 yards to go is far different than the pick 6 where they get points that magically go against the defense PPG, and lets say the pick got run back to the 5 yardline and the defense gave up a FG not a TD, that would be tremendous defensive play, but they get knocked for giving up points that were essentially guaranteed at that point no fault of their own.. this would be cool to have for offenses as well, showing the different in drive starting points and amount of drivers per game between like Bo Nix with the best defense ever and the bengals first half of the season with the worst defense ever... if that makes sense.. sort of like when two basketball players face off, but one milks like 18 free throws while the other guy is out of the game, and th statline is like "well he scored 35 points of the other player so that player blows" but he wasnt even in the game when dud scored those point... the nba has advanced stats that are simply and clean the nfl really doesnt given so many factors and players involved. like if we had a phenominal pressure rate and DJ was a top corner, it could be he isnt great, but the pressure is making bad throws towards his guy... obviously its th eopposite with DJ, the pass rush is bad and he was great. so thats tremendous. it does a lot but it just doesnt factor outside factors to any of the influences on those performances... another example is if the opposing offense starts every drive on our 1 yardline, and score everytime after 4 plays.. the defense and DVOA al lsuck, but they are giving up 1 yard per drive. and .25 yards per play... so they both are terrible and great on paper and against DVOA.